Massage Parlor Reports

[Dr Willy]

Fair points. Thus if the letters are "fact" , I think this is all just intimidation that are in 2 parts similar to what you said below:

1. Try to make mongers scared of going to an AMP.

2. Try to dry up business.

Not going to work on me. I will continue to go period.

Harry P.

Good for you! In my view, I think it would be best for us ALL (that are able) to continue to patronize the establishments we wish to see remain in business! Whether that's your neighborhood restaurant or bar that is struggling with COVID-19 closures and loss of business, or one of the places mentioned in this thread, if we want to have those places remain open, we benefit from keeping them in business.

And when I refer to all of us THAT ARE ABLE, I will concede that that is NOT necessarily everybody. If someone has an outstanding warrant and wishes to handle that by some method OTHER than a curbside discussion with LE and subsequent arrest, that person may well be advised to avoid inviting a traffic stop. If someone else has a particularly sensitive situation elsewhere in their lives, whether that's at home, at work, at church, or at the dog track, that person might also stay away. I just hope there's enough people available, and able, to keep area establishments in business that are being threatened by outside forces such as COVID-19 or LE.

[CowboyRob0311]

Met Lulu for the first time a few weeks ago.

She was at GG for several weeks before they closed.

Lulu should be described as the proverbial nymphomaniac. She is completely insatiable and by far superior in every way even to the glorified Pandora.

Take every opportunity to see this woman.

And do not let the abdominal scarring put you off.

She has had major abdominal surgery but still carries a very well built body.

[Harry Plopper]

Fair points. Thus if the letters are "fact" , I think this is all just intimidation that are in 2 parts similar to what you said below:

1. Try to make mongers scared of going to an AMP.

2. Try to dry up business.

Not going to work on me. I will continue to go period.

Harry P.

I don't doubt those reporting receiving a letter actually got one. I don't doubt their description of the content, nor do I dispute their right to privacy of NOT posting an image of it here. For all we know, every letter that was sent may have some "identifying" text, punctuation, or other marking that would enable LE, browsing here, to correlate a person's name with their member ID. In any case, I don't need to see it.

What I DO want to observe is that no one seems to have yet considered or mentioned the alternative LE motivation in sending these letters. A motivation I find much more plausible. First, in my opinion, LE has little interest in busting a bunch of customers for any reason other than to disrupt the business itself and get them to close. Rather, in my opinion, the root desire of LE is to get these places to "go away", either by arresting the owners / operators, or, which I believe is the case here, to scare all of the customers into NOT GOING THERE AND KEEPING THE AMP IN BUSINESS. We all acknowledge that LE reads these forums (they're reading this right now! Hi Dave, how's the kids?), and they're likely quite pleased with the resulting discussion here because they know the word will get out and they hope that the AMPs in question will suffer substantial loss of revenue to either close ("go away") or cause them to make some other mistake with their existing assets, or business transactions. It's not about the customers, it's about closing the AMPs they have targeted, in my opinion.

If they actually get any letter recipient stupid enough to give them any useable evidence, well that's just icing on their cake.

[Dr Willy]

I also got a letter on Friday, just said states Attorneys office with a name and contact phone number. Its a legit number and legit person. My letter did not mention sending more information but did ask for cooperation in an ongoing investigation. I also had a miss call from Orlando PD and when I called it back it was a detective with vice and trafficking. Here is tge odd part, they called my cell, I never gove my cell number out to anyone. How is it possible for anyone to get a cell number or am I just being naive.

If you did get a legit letter and they have not arrested you then they do not have enough evidence against you. Talking to the cops without a lawyer could be a big mistake in my opinion. Personally I wouldn't do a dam thing about this I think it's just a scare tactic to get people to roll over on the AMPs.

I don't doubt those reporting receiving a letter actually got one. I don't doubt their description of the content, nor do I dispute their right to privacy of NOT posting an image of it here. For all we know, every letter that was sent may have some "identifying" text, punctuation, or other marking that would enable LE, browsing here, to correlate a person's name with their member ID. In any case, I don't need to see it.

What I DO want to observe is that no one seems to have yet considered or mentioned the alternative LE motivation in sending these letters. A motivation I find much more plausible. First, in my opinion, LE has little interest in busting a bunch of customers for any reason other than to disrupt the business itself and get them to close. Rather, in my opinion, the root desire of LE is to get these places to "go away", either by arresting the owners / operators, or, which I believe is the case here, to scare all of the customers into NOT GOING THERE AND KEEPING THE AMP IN BUSINESS. We all acknowledge that LE reads these forums (they're reading this right now! Hi Dave, how's the kids?), and they're likely quite pleased with the resulting discussion here because they know the word will get out and they hope that the AMPs in question will suffer substantial loss of revenue to either close ("go away") or cause them to make some other mistake with their existing assets, or business transactions. It's not about the customers, it's about closing the AMPs they have targeted, in my opinion.

If they actually get any letter recipient stupid enough to give them any useable evidence, well that's just icing on their cake.

[AmpedOut]

What exactly did the letter say? Can you post a pic? More importantly, how do you know that 4 others are involved?

This whole situation seems a bit off to me and why I think I'm going to hold off from the NDS / KMS for a while. I was hoping to hit up King soon but since they're related I'm a little nervous about that one also.

I only know of others from private messages. Also saw 3 others with same problem.

[AmpedOut]

What agency of the Sate was it from? And did it say where they would send "a full description of the finds" to?

Agency? I don't know just said office of states attorneys office it did say District 9 whatever district that is. At the end of the letter it simply said if I did not cooperate they will send me a complete description of the events for my records, I am para phrasing.

[NoNvMe]

Hello brothers,

I was passing by The location at hand. (Kissimmee) there was a marked vehicle on the left side off the bank ready to jump out into traffic to pull anyone over it seems. Its true I have seen the black pickup truck across the street. (not sure if I can post a picture, but next time I will take a picture) with a bird eye view on with on any one coming or leaving this location. Just make sure to pass the bank 1st before making a pit stop.

Be safe.

NoNvMe.

[VincentGambini]

I am not sure how the laws work in Florida. But in Wisconsin, if you get an attorney, and communicate that to the police, It is illegal for them to contact you about this issue and they can only contact you through your attorney. That will insulate your family from the issue.

It's actually the same in all 50 states, once a person has invoked the right to counsel, LE is to cease all questioning. In the situation being discussed currently, when LE reaches out to a person and that person responds by saying they have an attorney, LE should then initiate any further contact through the attorney. That said, LE doesn't always do what they should (whether intentionally or otherwise), meaning they might try to contact the person directly without involving the attorney. In that situation, the person should remind LE of the attorney and tell them to call the attorney. Likewise, the person might contact the attorney themselves and ask the attorney to contact LE for them.

[IslandLover1]

Not to feed into the hysteria, I did not get pulled over, I just got back to Kissimmee 2 days ago and went there today. Pulling out about 10 am a black truck with state yellow tags followed me for almost 10 miles. I made some odd turns to see if he was really following me, he was. I didn't get pulled over and eventually he split off in another direction. Was a little odd.

[MedellinMike]

Does the letter have any specifics about when or where you observed this crime? In any case, you should not ever talk to the police, let your attorney speak for you. Thats legal 101....

The letter is vague, it is only one paragraph and lists the exact time of the traffic stop as well as the date. No one needs to worry, I'm not going to talk to the police. If I am forced it will be with a lawyer.

[Binder79]

I have no intention on talking to the police without an attorney. I am not worried about any of this BS, I am only worried about my family being involved.

I am not sure how the laws work in Florida. But in Wisconsin, if you get an attorney, and communicate that to the police, It is illegal for them to contact you about this issue and they can only contact you through your attorney. That will insulate your family from the issue.

[Flyforfun]

No proof of letter? OK. I am moving on until then from this paranoia. If they did send a "letter" as vague as has been described then I agree with another monger here that posted it is just intimidation and they just want you to call to trap you in a lie after you call them voluntarily.

Does the letter have any specifics about when or where you observed this crime? In any case, you should not ever talk to the police, let your attorney speak for you. That’s legal 101....

[Harry Plopper]

I have no intention on talking to the police without an attorney. I am not worried about any of this BS, I am only worried about my family being involved.

No proof of letter? OK. I am moving on until then from this paranoia. If they did send a "letter" as vague as has been described then I agree with another monger here that posted it is just intimidation and they just want you to call to trap you in a lie after you call them voluntarily.

[MedellinMike]

Why is everyone hyperventilating about a letter from the state? The answer is simple. Get an attorney. Actually, all you really need is a few minute consultation with him. Then contact The vice cop back and tell him that all future correspondence needs to be handled through your attorney. Makes it illegal for them to contact you, other than coming out to arrest you. My bet is you will never hear from them again.

I have no intention on talking to the police without an attorney. I am not worried about any of this BS, I am only worried about my family being involved.

[Binder79]

Why is everyone hyperventilating about a letter from the state? The answer is simple. Get an attorney. Actually, all you really need is a few minute consultation with him. Then contact The vice cop back and tell him that all future correspondence needs to be handled through your attorney. Makes it illegal for them to contact you, other than coming out to arrest you. My bet is you will never hear from them again.