Massage Parlor Reports

[SlooHands]

So I thought I'd give them a try today. Mama takes me to the room, I', m in a hurry so I ask for hhr, one of the fugliest Asian woman I've ever seen comes in with boltons, bird legs & a short skirt! She starts rubbing my back for maybe 5 min, lays next to me face to face asks what do I want, I tell here I'm horny she stands up & says how much you got I say 80 she says ok motions hg I say no & point to what I want she says 160 I say no way & she says the same thing so I said ok I'm leaving & it didn't bother her! So it looks like all the reviews are right it's hit or miss. I'm lucky I travel to Youngstown every couple of Mon. & for a total of $140 get some younger & nicer looking girls in Warren.

[Dabbler]

Quick report, just to prove I can do that.

60 for the hour. 40 tip afterward. Slim Asian lady in her fifties. Cute considering. English was really rough, that got in the way a little.

Decent but unremarkable massage, very little teasing until after the flip and well into the front massage. Handshake offered and accepted. Won't be in a hurry to repeat but they are reliable. Was tempted to go to the Dragon place on Hill / Reynolds. Usually a more sensuous experience but the HE is almost always in doubt. Prices usually the same either place.

[Screammy]

I am really having an issue with the Kraft Case. Below is an account of the reports:

Law enforcement officers claim that Kraft twice solicited another person for sex. He allegedly did so on Jan. 19 and Jan. 20 at the Orchids of Asia Day Spa in Jupiter.

According to a narrative of the Sunday, Jan. 20 events signed by Detective Andrew Sharp, Kraft wore a dark long-sleeve shirt, blue baseball cap and blue shorts when he walked into the spa at 10:59 am. Kraft allegedly entered through a front door and paid cash to a woman who worked at the front desk. The narrative claims that two police surveillance cameras captured Kraft's activities while in the spa. It's clear from the narrative's description that the cameras were part of a sting operation to videotape men who solicited the spa's worker for sex.

Upon entering a spa room, Kraft allegedly hugged a woman. He then took off all of his clothing. At that point, the narrative insists, Kraft "laid face up on the massage table" and was hugged again by the woman. She then "manipulated Kraft's penis and testicles and then put her head down by his penis" for a period of several minutes. The woman then used a towel to wipe Kraft in the area of his genitals. Thereafter she helped Kraft dress and hugged him once again. Kraft then paid her a $100 bill, and another bill, and left the room at 11:13 am. Kraft then walked to the parking lot and entered the passenger side of a blue Bentley waiting for him.

This narrative also asserts that Kraft had entered the spa a day earlier and "was positively identified by a Massachusetts driver's license. " A separate narrative by Detective Sharp, dated Saturday Jan. 19, describes Kraft as entering the spa that day at 4:45 pm and leaving it at 5:25 pm. This narrative describes a similar experience as discussed above. Some differences include Kraft being observed while using a cell phone in the waiting area. Also, two women allegedly massaged him that Saturday. One of those women allegedly placed her hands on Kraft's penis. After Kraft left the spa, he entered the passenger side of the Bentley. Shortly after the Bentley left the parking lot of the strip mall, a police officer pulled over the car for a traffic stop. Obviously, since Kraft allegedly returned to the spa the next day, neither he nor his driver realized that the purpose of the stop was to obtain a copy of his Massachusetts driver's license and confirm his identity.

The first issue is the vagueness of the law. It is illegal to solicit, or induce, another person for sexual activities. Isn't that called dating? Also, all they are saying is that there are images of him going in, getting sex and then leaving money. Nothing in there says he asked to have sex for money. Granted, it sounds like he was a regular (by the way they hugged him and the way his driver took him there regularly). I gave my girlfriend money recently and we had just had sex. Does that mean we committed a crime?

The second issue is that they were specifically pulling over people leaving the place. Is there really probable cause? What did they pull them over for? Speeding, running a red light? Not a complete stop? In either case, why did HE have to produce identification when clearly HE was not the driver?

Finally, what if he went in there and had an actual massage? Simply be going to a place of business, he was the target of entrapment with the stop and request for his driver's license.

Sadly, none of this is going to stop human trafficking in the same way arresting a junkie is not going to stop drug smuggling and dealing. Had Mr. Kraft participated in the same activity in most of the counties in Nevada, he would have done nothing wrong.

If anyone would have enough money and power to fight this, it would be Kraft. I know he has plead not guilty. I hope he doesn't take some plea deal. I would love to see him challenge the law. As for Toledo, I'm not too worried. I still go as always and never felt paranoid.

[PastMyPrime]

I am really having an issue with the Kraft Case. Below is an account of the reports:

Law enforcement officers claim that Kraft twice solicited another person for sex. He allegedly did so on Jan. 19 and Jan. 20 at the Orchids of Asia Day Spa in Jupiter.

According to a narrative of the Sunday, Jan. 20 events signed by Detective Andrew Sharp, Kraft wore a dark long-sleeve shirt, blue baseball cap and blue shorts when he walked into the spa at 10:59 am. Kraft allegedly entered through a front door and paid cash to a woman who worked at the front desk. The narrative claims that two police surveillance cameras captured Kraft's activities while in the spa. It's clear from the narrative's description that the cameras were part of a sting operation to videotape men who solicited the spa's worker for sex.

Upon entering a spa room, Kraft allegedly hugged a woman. He then took off all of his clothing. At that point, the narrative insists, Kraft "laid face up on the massage table" and was hugged again by the woman. She then "manipulated Kraft's penis and testicles and then put her head down by his penis" for a period of several minutes. The woman then used a towel to wipe Kraft in the area of his genitals. Thereafter she helped Kraft dress and hugged him once again. Kraft then paid her a $100 bill, and another bill, and left the room at 11:13 am. Kraft then walked to the parking lot and entered the passenger side of a blue Bentley waiting for him.

This narrative also asserts that Kraft had entered the spa a day earlier and "was positively identified by a Massachusetts driver's license. " A separate narrative by Detective Sharp, dated Saturday Jan. 19, describes Kraft as entering the spa that day at 4:45 pm and leaving it at 5:25 pm. This narrative describes a similar experience as discussed above. Some differences include Kraft being observed while using a cell phone in the waiting area. Also, two women allegedly massaged him that Saturday. One of those women allegedly placed her hands on Kraft's penis. After Kraft left the spa, he entered the passenger side of the Bentley. Shortly after the Bentley left the parking lot of the strip mall, a police officer pulled over the car for a traffic stop. Obviously, since Kraft allegedly returned to the spa the next day, neither he nor his driver realized that the purpose of the stop was to obtain a copy of his Massachusetts driver's license and confirm his identity.

The first issue is the vagueness of the law. It is illegal to solicit, or induce, another person for sexual activities. Isn't that called dating? Also, all they are saying is that there are images of him going in, getting sex and then leaving money. Nothing in there says he asked to have sex for money. Granted, it sounds like he was a regular (by the way they hugged him and the way his driver took him there regularly). I gave my girlfriend money recently and we had just had sex. Does that mean we committed a crime?

The second issue is that they were specifically pulling over people leaving the place. Is there really probable cause? What did they pull them over for? Speeding, running a red light? Not a complete stop? In either case, why did HE have to produce identification when clearly HE was not the driver?

Finally, what if he went in there and had an actual massage? Simply be going to a place of business, he was the target of entrapment with the stop and request for his driver's license.

Sadly, none of this is going to stop human trafficking in the same way arresting a junkie is not going to stop drug smuggling and dealing. Had Mr. Kraft participated in the same activity in most of the counties in Nevada, he would have done nothing wrong.

[ThrobbinWood]

I saw the police report on the West Palm forum. Some details unclear, but the best I could figure is that they watched the place for a while, pulled over several customers afterwards (maybe for traffic issues) and asked about the place. Got some evidence of prostitution / trafficking from the customers so they ordered a health dept. Inspection which reported evidence of women living there (dressers, food, medications, etc.) which I guess is evidence of "trafficking. " So they got a judge to issue a video /(no audio) surveillance warrant to get more evidence of trafficking. Not sure how a video would show trafficking (maybe the owner using force on the women)??

Somehow they go they got place evacuated (bomb threat?) to allow the surveillance cameras to be installed in every room. This was done 1-3 days before they started surveillance of everyone going in. Surveillance lasted 5 days. Not sure how the owner / women did not the notice the cameras as they were there every day for 12 hours (they must be very small? I doubt that they just tapped into any existing cameras (I doubt that every room would have had a camera before this).

Police report does not state much about evidence of "trafficking" but I guess this is an indirect way to approach the matter.

One thing I noticed in the police report was several times when the report mentioned the lights were turned off, then lights on and clean up ensued. Is that a method of avoiding the cameras. Simple enjoy your massage in the dark?

[NorinRad]

One report I saw said that Kraft was not the most "famous" name on their list of "customers" Waiting to see if they make public the names of any other well known people who frequented the place??

I saw the police report on the West Palm forum. Some details unclear, but the best I could figure is that they watched the place for a while, pulled over several customers afterwards (maybe for traffic issues) and asked about the place. Got some evidence of prostitution / trafficking from the customers so they ordered a health dept. Inspection which reported evidence of women living there (dressers, food, medications, etc.) which I guess is evidence of "trafficking. " So they got a judge to issue a video /(no audio) surveillance warrant to get more evidence of trafficking. Not sure how a video would show trafficking (maybe the owner using force on the women)??

Somehow they go they got place evacuated (bomb threat?) to allow the surveillance cameras to be installed in every room. This was done 1-3 days before they started surveillance of everyone going in. Surveillance lasted 5 days. Not sure how the owner / women did not the notice the cameras as they were there every day for 12 hours (they must be very small? I doubt that they just tapped into any existing cameras (I doubt that every room would have had a camera before this).

Police report does not state much about evidence of "trafficking" but I guess this is an indirect way to approach the matter.

[Qetuo]

Why are their cameras in the rooms?

I saw the police report on the West Palm forum. Some details unclear, but the best I could figure is that they watched the place for a while, pulled over several customers afterwards (maybe for traffic issues) and asked about the place. Got some evidence of prostitution / trafficking from the customers so they ordered a health dept. Inspection which reported evidence of women living there (dressers, food, medications, etc.) which I guess is evidence of "trafficking. " So they got a judge to issue a video /(no audio) surveillance warrant to get more evidence of trafficking. Not sure how a video would show trafficking (maybe the owner using force on the women)??

Somehow they go they got place evacuated (bomb threat?) to allow the surveillance cameras to be installed in every room. This was done 1-3 days before they started surveillance of everyone going in. Surveillance lasted 5 days. Not sure how the owner / women did not the notice the cameras as they were there every day for 12 hours (they must be very small? I doubt that they just tapped into any existing cameras (I doubt that every room would have had a camera before this).

Police report does not state much about evidence of "trafficking" but I guess this is an indirect way to approach the matter.

[Foocker11]

Why are their cameras in the rooms?

The feds installed the cameras, not the owners. The owners are indicted as well.

[Ryloong22]

Why are their cameras in the rooms?

I haven't read the report but somewhat shady at the least. I guess laws differ in other states.

[LetsGetStarted]

I decided to read up on what our brothers are up to in West Palm Beach on this forum. The arrests in the news were in Jupiter but as they don't have a page, I looked at West Palm Beach. Interesting reading and I'm guessing there will be for a while. One thing I gleaned was this-.

"If you read the police report each guy who left the place was stopped by the police for anything from speeding to running a red light. Also looks like they're using the information that was posted on websites as probable cause to conduct the investigation. Lesson learned, don't break the law when you leave a massage parlor. ".

Seems I remember reading advice like this on the Toledo pages several years ago. While it may be a bit paranoid, it just seemed like real good council. If anyone else reads something that might apply to our area, please keep us all up to date.

Why are their cameras in the rooms?

[ThrobbinWood]

What they probably did is log into the DVR / NVR of the establishments' security cameras.

Do you know anything about hidden camera detectors. Many under a $100 and also there are apps for cell phones to help detect cameras. Are they worth it?

[Monaco GP]

Sounds like they had surveillance and hidden cameras in this place for 8 months. Just some info to keep in the back of your mind. And seriously? What is a dude with his kind of cash doing getting dropped off by his chauffeur at a 59-79 dollar per hour massage joint?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&sour...50943541534193

What they probably did is log into the DVR / NVR of the establishments' security cameras.

[Findlaystud]

I don't think it's law, but I've talked to girls who said they won't work in a place that's open 24 hours.

I think the earlier closing time just makes it easier to attract girls to work there.

I used to love the Fuji that was open 24 hours.

By far and away my favorite place. Had one tradition there of always going on Thanksgiving Day. I would take.

My brother in law home, and then stop at Fuji and do some stuffing. Also the first place I did two girls at once. Had just gotten my bonus from work, so that was my indulgance. The first girl came in, big tits, but rather bland. The second girl came in, complete opposite. She was a spaz in a GREAT sort of way. Once I came, the first girl got up and left. I started getting around and the spaz said, "Where the hell are you going? I love watching guys come". So, we went again, mostly hand and blow job so she could watch it shoot. Boy, do I miss that place.

[Dabbler]

I decided to read up on what our brothers are up to in West Palm Beach on this forum. The arrests in the news were in Jupiter but as they don't have a page, I looked at West Palm Beach. Interesting reading and I'm guessing there will be for a while. One thing I gleaned was this-.

"If you read the police report each guy who left the place was stopped by the police for anything from speeding to running a red light. Also looks like they're using the information that was posted on websites as probable cause to conduct the investigation. Lesson learned, don't break the law when you leave a massage parlor. ".

Seems I remember reading advice like this on the Toledo pages several years ago. While it may be a bit paranoid, it just seemed like real good council. If anyone else reads something that might apply to our area, please keep us all up to date.

[NorinRad]

Read about the sting, not a Pats fan so couldn't give a shit about Kraft. Really stupid however. I just hope they were not working in Tampa also, as there is an amazing place I visit when down there. Will have to check on that board.

Sounds like they had surveillance and hidden cameras in this place for 8 months. Just some info to keep in the back of your mind. And seriously? What is a dude with his kind of cash doing getting dropped off by his chauffeur at a 59-79 dollar per hour massage joint?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&sour...50943541534193