General Reports

**Jannisary** · 03-22-08 18:39

Originally Posted by Jannisary

Just off CR on Bowman? I spotted a bsw with longish hair. Wound up going around and coming back up Bowman to get a better look, as I pulled up to her I got the distinct impression that she may be a he! I may be wrong but that's the impression I got and wasn't about to ask for a closer inspection to check.

It is probably not proper to quote yourself but oh well. The bsw I spotted was slender with probably shoulder length hair that was up sorta like a pony tail. Damn i suck at descriptions, lol. Was slender in blue jeans and a black jacket. Looked interesting enough from CR to circle back around but when I drove up on her/him on Bowman (i think that is the proper street) there was just something about the face. The street is also a couple blocks east of where you usually see the gals on CR so that made me suspicious too.

**Big KC** · 03-22-08 17:56

When did this change to being about morality and the law. You know that if you are caught with a hooker, you maybe charged with a crime. If you hit one of these girls, you maybe charged with a crime. I do not want to see any of these girls hurt, and I don't want to see any of the guys riped off, but it happens. I will not judge a guy by what he does about it. I do want to know what girls are most likely to try to rip me off, and I post it big time when I get ripped off. There is much talk on this board about legal rights. I would guess that no one giving legal advice here is an attorney. I do not know of an attorney that give free advice.

**Jimmy** · 03-22-08 10:01

Originally Posted by Chiapet9

I was the victim of a cash and dash before and I let her get away but low and behold I saw her again about 6 months later and I was in a different vehicle even if her memory was that good which it wasnt so I picked her up and drove off and just kept driving while talking to her and after I got her about 10 miles away I pulled over and asked her if she remembered me (to which she claimed she did not) and As I recalled to her all of the events and she started to get nervous and of course tell me it was her sister (I am wondering how dumb she actually thought I was) I told her we are even now and to GET OUT or I would just continue on to the nearest police station and well she got out and had a nice walk.

I agree we need to not only post about this but to also make a stand that we will not put up with this type of behavior. I do not judge one way or the other how LF handled it. as he handled it how he saw fit to (can you imagine how thier pimps handle them when they do not bring money home as we could all tell by jennifer) just my 2 cents

What happens if she is high on crack and you take her 10 miles out and she has a heart attack or runs in front of a car? Are you just as guilty as if you forcably took your money back? In the courts eyes, I think you would be. Could you also be charged with attempted kidnapping for taking someone where they did not want to go? No, I will take my money back if possible. If she gets away with it (and a few have) I park a way back the next time I see her out and take pictures. You would be surprised at how effective a flash is in running someone off the streets. If she has to wait a few more hours to get her fix, she may remember you.

**Jannisary** · 03-22-08 02:34

Ran the stroll twice on friday, once around 6pm and then again around 10pm. On my first trip through I saw a couple of wsw, both heavier set. Didn't recognize them. Just off CR on Bowman? I spotted a bsw with longish hair. Wound up going around and coming back up Bowman to get a better look, as I pulled up to her I got the distinct impression that she may be a he! I may be wrong but that's the impression I got and wasn't about to ask for a closer inspection to check.

Made a second pass through after spending a few hours with the sweet ladies of the Hollywood Showclub in WP. Didn't see anybody out, there were a lot of flashing lights about 3 or 4 blocks south of CR.

I wasn't seriously trolling anyways. Just wanted to run the stroll and see who might be out and about since the weather was nice. Probably wouldn't have picked anyone up except Shannon or Ashley and of course no sign of them.

**Tommy Boy** · 03-22-08 01:33

That was an excellent and non-violent way to get a little revenge on these cash & dashers and hopefully teach them a lesson. Thanks.

Originally Posted by Chiapet9

I was the victim of a cash and dash before and I let her get away but low and behold I saw her again about 6 months later and I was in a different vehicle even if her memory was that good which it wasnt so I picked her up and drove off and just kept driving while talking to her and after I got her about 10 miles away I pulled over and asked her if she remembered me (to which she claimed she did not) and As I recalled to her all of the events and she started to get nervous and of course tell me it was her sister (I am wondering how dumb she actually thought I was) I told her we are even now and to GET OUT or I would just continue on to the nearest police station and well she got out and had a nice walk.

I agree we need to not only post about this but to also make a stand that we will not put up with this type of behavior. I do not judge one way or the other how LF handled it. as he handled it how he saw fit to (can you imagine how thier pimps handle them when they do not bring money home as we could all tell by jennifer) just my 2 cents

**Tommy Boy** · 03-22-08 01:30

First of all, I never said there is a right to assault people. I said a person who is being ripped off has a right to try to stop the rip-off and retrieve their money. Why should it matter that the perpetrator is female? Are you suggesting that females have a free pass to commit theft? If someone breaks into your house and grabs your cash and tries to exit with it, will you let the person go because you have "no right to assault someone short of protecting yourself."? Or does that depend on whether the fleeing thief is male or female? The only difference in this scenario is that the theft is not occurring in the context of another illegal act, namely solicitation. And if you believe that by committing solicitation you lose any right to protect your property or be treated fairly, then why are you out soliciting in the first place?

Originally Posted by Badboy II

You do not have the right to assault someone short of protecting yourself or someone else. That "right" simply does not exist. To parse it or try and manufacture some nonexistent fine print is rather silly.

If I have to choose between being ripped off and hitting a woman I will take the financial hit (which figures out to be less than a tank of gas these days) every single time. I say that because I prefer to be the sort of MAN that does not have beating on women as one of the attributes I carry around in life.

You can choose to assault someone. You can choose to break many laws. To assert that in doing so you have imaginary rights is a little bit childish. If you engage in these "rights" enough times you will eventually be prosecuted and no reasonable person will feel an ounce of sympathy for you.

I do not say any of this with any anger or vitriol at anyone. I understand where differing opinions come from. I also understand that they are wrong by any rational civilized standard of behavior. Making a beast of yourself is nothing to be proud of. To condone it of others is pretty lousy as well. There really isn't any gray area here.

A lot of these desperate woman behave in vile and ugly ways. That is simply no excuse to bring yourself to that level. Boys should not hit girls. Period.

**Taco Hunter** · 03-21-08 14:28

I was the victim of a cash and dash before and I let her get away but low and behold I saw her again about 6 months later and I was in a different vehicle even if her memory was that good which it wasnt so I picked her up and drove off and just kept driving while talking to her and after I got her about 10 miles away I pulled over and asked her if she remembered me (to which she claimed she did not) and As I recalled to her all of the events and she started to get nervous and of course tell me it was her sister (I am wondering how dumb she actually thought I was) I told her we are even now and to GET OUT or I would just continue on to the nearest police station and well she got out and had a nice walk.

I agree we need to not only post about this but to also make a stand that we will not put up with this type of behavior. I do not judge one way or the other how LF handled it. as he handled it how he saw fit to (can you imagine how thier pimps handle them when they do not bring money home as we could all tell by jennifer) just my 2 cents

**SouthernOne** · 03-21-08 07:16

Hey all,

Due to all your reports I decided to make a trip away from WP (where I normally haunt) and make the look see in good ole Brooklyn. I went to Roxy's in the rain during the day about 2pm earlier this week. It still smells the same as I remember 5 years ago. And geez is it dark. 6 cover and 850 drink. I sit way back and scope. Decide to make the stage tip thing to get closer view. Work through 3 or 4. Get asked for the prerequisite privates. Decide on one for 25 for 2 deal and it was nice. She smelled good, spinner type, long straight hair and opted to pass on more play w/ her. (can't rem. Her dance name) few more stage sitting. Then one seems promising. Angelina I think. Back we go and price is fluid w/ whatever on the table depends on how far. I said ok but had in mind w/o cover it woulldn't go too far. Well she got little guy going w/ j/o and wlaa she is demanding $00! I say no way. All I got is 30. She backs down and says my eye is on you so if you spend more I want more. I go clean up and leave. Ahh Roxy's. What a place.

**Badboy II** · 03-21-08 04:29

You do not have the right to assault someone short of protecting yourself or someone else. That "right" simply does not exist. To parse it or try and manufacture some nonexistent fine print is rather silly.

If I have to choose between being ripped off and hitting a woman I will take the financial hit (which figures out to be less than a tank of gas these days) every single time. I say that because I prefer to be the sort of MAN that does not have beating on women as one of the attributes I carry around in life.

You can choose to assault someone. You can choose to break many laws. To assert that in doing so you have imaginary rights is a little bit childish. If you engage in these "rights" enough times you will eventually be prosecuted and no reasonable person will feel an ounce of sympathy for you.

I do not say any of this with any anger or vitriol at anyone. I understand where differing opinions come from. I also understand that they are wrong by any rational civilized standard of behavior. Making a beast of yourself is nothing to be proud of. To condone it of others is pretty lousy as well. There really isn't any gray area here.

A lot of these desperate woman behave in vile and ugly ways. That is simply no excuse to bring yourself to that level. Boys should not hit girls. Period.

**Tommy Boy** · 03-20-08 23:36

Lust Full has written a number of descriptive reports of dates gone bad and he has never before drawn such negative criticism. I feel badly that I drew attention to his actions in a way that perhaps distorted what actually happened and brought all this criticism on him.

Once again, I am grateful to him for reporting on bad dates, cash & dash attempts, etc. These are things we need to know about. I congratulate him on his candor.

I never meant to imply that I admired him for beating girls up or that he literally beat any of them up. I took his report on Tina to mean that she started yelling and screaming in an attempt to abort the date and leave with his cash without delivering the promised services. The way I pictured it next is that he demanded his cash back and she refused. I can believe that because these girls are like glue with your money. You have to literally pry it away from them with a crowbar to get it back. So I'm picturing that next she refuses and tries to leave with his money at which point he grabs her and tears at her clothes until he finds the money, fending off her blows and perhaps delivering one or two on the way himself. Or perhaps he pinned her down until he got hold of his money. That's not the same as delivering a full-fledged beating. All she had to do to stop any assault on her person was give back the money. I am assuming he pushed her out the door naked precisely because she was fighting the whole way and not being reasonable.

Again, I would not attempt to get physical with these girls, but I don't blame him for doing so. I disagree with Bad Boy's assertion that he has no right to get his money back because it is an illegal transaction to begin with. So what! The laws against victimless crimes are pointless and require a police state to be effectively enforced. Just because the state labels it a crime doesn't change the fact that it is in reality a business deal, a voluntary transaction between two consenting adults. And when one person attempts to abscond with the cash, it is a rip-off and people attempting to con and defraud other people, especially people bigger than them, shouldn't be surprised if they suffer physically for it. It is precisely because it is an illegal transaction that violence ends up being the only effective means of dispute resolution. That's why all black market activities, i.e. drugs, end up being dominated by the most violent individuals or gangs.

That kind of treatment is what these girls get in the hood anyway and that is what they will respect. A few of them might be smart enough to understand that ripping off customers is bad business because it generates bad publicity, but most of them are not that smart. They're only thinking ahead to the next hit of crack.

Again, I'm not a violent person myself, nor do I advocate anyone else beating any of these girls to a senseless pulp. But using a reasonable level of force to procure what is rightfully yours, that I can condone on the part of Lust Full or anyone else

**Jamesj** · 03-20-08 21:32

See my report in the St. Louis section, (massage providers) from earlier today. It will crack you up! Decided to do an east side loop on my way home with no intentions to make a pick-up. (Time 4:00pm ) Made the Brooklyn loop -nada thing. Did the CR ,wash rack loop & saw one tall thin BSW on Winstanley. About a 4-5, did not look like she was phamacy addicted,would stop in a pinch. Can't believe that the good weather did not bring a bunch out, maybe I was early, but it's always good to do a little recon.

Be safe & happy hunting!

JAMESJ

**Kemo Sabe** · 03-20-08 18:29

Lust Full,

By any means necessary! Does this mean you would kill the girl if it was the only way to get your money back?

Originally Posted by Lust Full

....Taking my own money back, by any means necessary, for services not rendered, is my right and I WILL exercise it. ...

**Jannisary** · 03-20-08 16:36

I think the best revenge against a cash & dash or other problem girl is to just make sure you post about it and let everyone else know.

That won't get your money back but I think it would cut into a girls business if everybody from here made sure to pass her up. Yes, not every monger reads this site but enough do that a girl who makes 40 or 60 in a rip off could possibly lose quite a bit more if people avoid them.

**Badboy II** · 03-20-08 11:29

Lust Full Wrote

Taking my own money back, by any means necessary, for services not rendered, is my right and I WILL exercise it.

I would point out that the statement is about as factually wrong as one can be. When you are engaging in a crime (solicitation) and you commit another crime (assault) the only thing you are really doing is putting your freedom in jeopardy.

This is not a moral judgment of you in any way. I think what you did was dumb in that you exposed yourself to a heightened level of risk. The situation could have gone very badly for you on more than one level. You could have bought yourself a lot of headache and legal trouble.

We all do stupid things from time to time. The grown up thing is to realize that and learn from it.

You don't have the right to beat up a woman. You made a choice and in doing so you could have ended up doing real time (that is an unlikely extreme but a real possibility). I don't have a lot of sympathy for the pros. But I do think that your actions were foolish and reckless.

Again. This is not a moral judgment. That said I don't think that your arguments stand up. You valuing your money more than others does not lesson the fact that you could be on the hook for assault charges.

You were lucky that this is such an underground activity and that the person you assaulted is at the bottom rung of society and therefor doesn't really have any legal recourse.

Personally if I were ever in a situation where I had to wash the blood of a woman that I beat up off of me I might be ashamed to the point where I would not share that detail with others. But then I would not put myself in the situation where I would be hitting a woman. In my world that is a solid no no.

**Big A** · 03-17-08 22:01

From a once a month visitor to your area, I want to thank Lust Full for the valuable information, and pictures. If we all stick together, better mongering will be the outcome! Word will get out to that girl, and she will understand the fact that we know what she did to a fellow monger.