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[JTerry26]

I agree with everything Shampoo is saying. Leaving the pros aside, what you're looking for, or who might meet your needs / budget, is someone just looking to supplement whatever income they have with a regular allowance. So if you're trying to make a living as a pro through SB, $1000/ month isn't going to cut it unless you can get multiple guys at that level. But if you have a part time regular job, and / or alimony / child support from an ex and / or some other under the table income, a sure extra $1000 from a decent guy might just fit the bill. This might also include some of the younger SB, who are in college or young in a city and just looking for some extra fun money cash. In my limited experience, I met 4 kind of women through SA:

1) Just pros who use it as a new platform, possibly with higher prices. At least one of those woman I met was also obviously an addict.

2) Women who would never consider themselves a pro and post on StG or other prostitution sites but were high mileage nonetheless. So like SA was a fig leaf for them to tell themselves they weren't prostitutes.

3) Women who were using the site like Tinder but with money involved. There's a woman in DE who started on the SB sites and appears to be a legit nympho and has been the woman proposed for gang bangs on the Philly threads. She just loves to fuck and is thrilled to fuck a bunch AND get paid.

4) Women like a described above, not pros per se but looking for some extra income. The typical one here is a single mom. What they want is some additional money with a decent person, maybe some other benefits like meals, entertainment and travel, no hassle and no risk.

I'm sure there's more.

1. From what I read on various forums as flawed as SA is it is still the best game in going. You found the Achilles heel of SB, buying credits and fake profiles. The SB business model is selling credits, so where is the incentive to ban fake profiles if that gets guys to spend the credits?

2. I think many dudes are tired of the SW and escort game and have migrated to SA to find girls. So many that most all girls talk about PPM and are use to guys using it as an escort site. Makes trying to find a true SB, for a LT relationship, much more difficult these days. About 60% of the PFs I read there read like cloaked escort adverts. Anyone who is willing to do a first meeting at a hotel isn't a SB but an UTR pro. But hey, many guys like that. Sounds like that is what you are looking for an utr girl posing as a SB?

3. OP is correct on the PPM expectations. There was a survey done on one of the sites and the average for Mid-Atlantic is about 300. Sure some less, some more. I think north of 300 is GPS, unless she's a clear 10. I've banged a few in the 150 range and one AA 18-yo for a while at 100 (until she caught GPS and wanted 350!), but with inflation I'd guess a floor is around 200 these days for decent ones.

4. Most Sugar Relationships start off with PPM and IF/When a true connection/relationship builds, might go to an Allowance. But who's giving 4+ figures to a stranger after a M&G? Yeah, $1K per month is thin for a true SB. Sex workers can generate more. But the allowance isn't the end with a true SB, one is constantly gifting, paying for vertical activities, etc.

5. If you want a true SB, then propose a M&G (unpaid) and if she balks, she's a pro or a rinser. NEVER pay for a M&G! So sounds like the one that wants to meet Friday is a pro, so expect she's seeing other dudes. A true Sugar baby is one that forms a relationship with you. You do things together other than just sex: dinners out, movies, sport events, shopping, travel, etc. It is mutually supportive, like GF, just limited.

6. Hotels in DE are expensive. Cross the boarders for decent prices.

Good luck!

[Afraven]

For Delaware 300 is about right for a UTR. Alot will take 200.400-500 is Philly rates which some girls do get. It takes some digging but once you find one or two who know you pay and are no drama your set. Secret Benefits has so many fake profiles and it just keeps asking you for money. If I didn't get real contact info (so I didn't have to communicate thru the site) I was done with them. SA has fake profiles too but IMO not as many and once you pay once at least that's it. Happy Hunting.

Nate my man, thanks for the info. Yea, I managed to get a few numbers from Secret Benefits, but I'm still done with them. Have to pay 10 credits to send a message. It's 10 credits to read a new message sent to you, and another 10 credits to view private photos. To get those numbers, I still had to use credits to initiate the conversation. I'm still a member though and do have a lot of messages that I already paid for, so I'll keep messaging them, but not reading or sending any new messages. Thanks for providing the going rates In these parts, it's really appreciated. Stay safe out there.

[Afraven]

1. From what I read on various forums as flawed as SA is it is still the best game in going. You found the Achilles heel of SB, buying credits and fake profiles. The SB business model is selling credits, so where is the incentive to ban fake profiles if that gets guys to spend the credits?

2. I think many dudes are tired of the SW and escort game and have migrated to SA to find girls. So many that most all girls talk about PPM and are use to guys using it as an escort site. Makes trying to find a true SB, for a LT relationship, much more difficult these days. About 60% of the PFs I read there read like cloaked escort adverts. Anyone who is willing to do a first meeting at a hotel isn't a SB but an UTR pro. But hey, many guys like that. Sounds like that is what you are looking for an utr girl posing as a SB?

3. OP is correct on the PPM expectations. There was a survey done on one of the sites and the average for Mid-Atlantic is about 300. Sure some less, some more. I think north of 300 is GPS, unless she's a clear 10. I've banged a few in the 150 range and one AA 18-yo for a while at 100 (until she caught GPS and wanted 350!), but with inflation I'd guess a floor is around 200 these days for decent ones.

4. Most Sugar Relationships start off with PPM and IF/When a true connection/relationship builds, might go to an Allowance. But who's giving 4+ figures to a stranger after a M&G? Yeah, $1K per month is thin for a true SB. Sex workers can generate more. But the allowance isn't the end with a true SB, one is constantly gifting, paying for vertical activities, etc.

5. If you want a true SB, then propose a M&G (unpaid) and if she balks, she's a pro or a rinser. NEVER pay for a M&G! So sounds like the one that wants to meet Friday is a pro, so expect she's seeing other dudes. A true Sugar baby is one that forms a relationship with you. You do things together other than just sex: dinners out, movies, sport events, shopping, travel, etc. It is mutually supportive, like GF, just limited.

6. Hotels in DE are expensive. Cross the boarders for decent prices.

Good luck!

Shampoo,

As always, thanks for the info. Yes, I think I am looking for an UTR chick and navigated to the SB sites to give it a try. Just don't have the time to go on the hunt for a regular UTR relationship. I did propose a meet and greet first with the Philly chick to see if she bites. She has sent me many pics and through some due diligence, I was able to pull up her real FB page. It is definitely her, but her FB page doesn't have the revealing pics and videos that she keeps sending me. I did express to her that I don't want this to be like an escort visit and a one and done. I'll see if she refuses the meet and greet in a public place first. Stay safe out there.

[Shampoo55]

I have a legitimate question for you guys. What is the going rate for supposedly UTR / Sugar babies? I say supposedly because most of the ones that I've come across talk like an escort with the ppm line. I have several on the hook now that I'm trying to figure out if I'm going to pull the trigger or not and 1 that I'm definitely going to check out, if her location is cool. She asking for 350, but menu is wide open and no clock. She has her own spot in Philly and we arranged to meet Friday.

I just politely declined one in Newcastle. She wants 450 a meet and can't host. That's out of my range, but she's not the only one asking for rates like that. I'm looking for a true sugar baby for weekly meets and at 450 per visit that's 1800 a month. Then she wants me to get the room at at least 150 for a hotel. I don't want to do those cheap motels for the sugar baby experience.

I'm kinda through with the SW and escort game. Trying to just see one or two regular SB a few times a month. I have set my max budget at 1 k a month, but the seem to laugh at that number. Might have to stick with the AMP scene for a while.

Another question, what is the trick with Secret benefits to avoid spending all that dough. I buy credits, but they run out very quickly. I have had to re-up w few times. Shit I am at her asking price of 450 paid to Secret Benefits. There is a large selection on there, but I can't keep forking out that cash to message the ladies or read my messages.

I am a novice is the SB world, no doubt, so I am seriously asking how to navigate the game and what is a reasonable allowance?

1. From what I read on various forums as flawed as SA is it is still the best game in going. You found the Achilles heel of SB, buying credits and fake profiles. The SB business model is selling credits, so where is the incentive to ban fake profiles if that gets guys to spend the credits?

2. I think many dudes are tired of the SW and escort game and have migrated to SA to find girls. So many that most all girls talk about PPM and are use to guys using it as an escort site. Makes trying to find a true SB, for a LT relationship, much more difficult these days. About 60% of the PFs I read there read like cloaked escort adverts. Anyone who is willing to do a first meeting at a hotel isn't a SB but an UTR pro. But hey, many guys like that. Sounds like that is what you are looking for an utr girl posing as a SB?

3. OP is correct on the PPM expectations. There was a survey done on one of the sites and the average for Mid-Atlantic is about 300. Sure some less, some more. I think north of 300 is GPS, unless she's a clear 10. I've banged a few in the 150 range and one AA 18-yo for a while at 100 (until she caught GPS and wanted 350!), but with inflation I'd guess a floor is around 200 these days for decent ones.

4. Most Sugar Relationships start off with PPM and IF/When a true connection/relationship builds, might go to an Allowance. But who's giving 4+ figures to a stranger after a M&G? Yeah, $1K per month is thin for a true SB. Sex workers can generate more. But the allowance isn't the end with a true SB, one is constantly gifting, paying for vertical activities, etc.

5. If you want a true SB, then propose a M&G (unpaid) and if she balks, she's a pro or a rinser. NEVER pay for a M&G! So sounds like the one that wants to meet Friday is a pro, so expect she's seeing other dudes. A true Sugar baby is one that forms a relationship with you. You do things together other than just sex: dinners out, movies, sport events, shopping, travel, etc. It is mutually supportive, like GF, just limited.

6. Hotels in DE are expensive. Cross the boarders for decent prices.

Good luck!

[Nate0110]

I have a legitimate question for you guys. What is the going rate for supposedly UTR / Sugar babies? I say supposedly because most of the ones that I've come across talk like an escort with the ppm line. I have several on the hook now that I'm trying to figure out if I'm going to pull the trigger or not and 1 that I'm definitely going to check out, if her location is cool. She asking for 350, but menu is wide open and no clock. She has her own spot in Philly and we arranged to meet Friday.

I just politely declined one in Newcastle. She wants 450 a meet and can't host. That's out of my range, but she's not the only one asking for rates like that. I'm looking for a true sugar baby for weekly meets and at 450 per visit that's 1800 a month. Then she wants me to get the room at at least 150 for a hotel. I don't want to do those cheap motels for the sugar baby experience.

I'm kinda through with the SW and escort game. Trying to just see one or two regular SB a few times a month. I have set my max budget at 1 k a month, but the seem to laugh at that number. Might have to stick with the AMP scene for a while.

Another question, what is the trick with Secret benefits to avoid spending all that dough. I buy credits, but they run out very quickly. I have had to re-up w few times. Shit I am at her asking price of 450 paid to Secret Benefits. There is a large selection on there, but I can't keep forking out that cash to message the ladies or read my messages.


I am a novice is the SB world, no doubt, so I am seriously asking how to navigate the game and what is a reasonable allowance?

One last thing. My allowance is zero. Stick with PPM. And time matters. I'm good with a half hour but that just me. That means all mine are 150-200. If your looking for marathon sessions then yea 300.

[Nate0110]

I have a legitimate question for you guys. What is the going rate for supposedly UTR / Sugar babies? I say supposedly because most of the ones that I've come across talk like an escort with the ppm line. I have several on the hook now that I'm trying to figure out if I'm going to pull the trigger or not and 1 that I'm definitely going to check out, if her location is cool. She asking for 350, but menu is wide open and no clock. She has her own spot in Philly and we arranged to meet Friday.

I just politely declined one in Newcastle. She wants 450 a meet and can't host. That's out of my range, but she's not the only one asking for rates like that. I'm looking for a true sugar baby for weekly meets and at 450 per visit that's 1800 a month. Then she wants me to get the room at at least 150 for a hotel. I don't want to do those cheap motels for the sugar baby experience.

I'm kinda through with the SW and escort game. Trying to just see one or two regular SB a few times a month. I have set my max budget at 1 k a month, but the seem to laugh at that number. Might have to stick with the AMP scene for a while.

Another question, what is the trick with Secret benefits to avoid spending all that dough. I buy credits, but they run out very quickly. I have had to re-up w few times. Shit I am at her asking price of 450 paid to Secret Benefits. There is a large selection on there, but I can't keep forking out that cash to message the ladies or read my messages.


I am a novice is the SB world, no doubt, so I am seriously asking how to navigate the game and what is a reasonable allowance?

For Delaware 300 is about right for a UTR. Alot will take 200.400-500 is Philly rates which some girls do get. It takes some digging but once you find one or two who know you pay and are no drama your set. Secret Benefits has so many fake profiles and it just keeps asking you for money. If I didn't get real contact info (so I didn't have to communicate thru the site) I was done with them. SA has fake profiles too but IMO not as many and once you pay once at least that's it. Happy Hunting.

[Afraven]

I have a legitimate question for you guys. What is the going rate for supposedly UTR / Sugar babies? I say supposedly because most of the ones that I've come across talk like an escort with the ppm line. I have several on the hook now that I'm trying to figure out if I'm going to pull the trigger or not and 1 that I'm definitely going to check out, if her location is cool. She asking for 350, but menu is wide open and no clock. She has her own spot in Philly and we arranged to meet Friday.

I just politely declined one in Newcastle. She wants 450 a meet and can't host. That's out of my range, but she's not the only one asking for rates like that. I'm looking for a true sugar baby for weekly meets and at 450 per visit that's 1800 a month. Then she wants me to get the room at at least 150 for a hotel. I don't want to do those cheap motels for the sugar baby experience.

I'm kinda through with the SW and escort game. Trying to just see one or two regular SB a few times a month. I have set my max budget at 1 k a month, but the seem to laugh at that number. Might have to stick with the AMP scene for a while.

Another question, what is the trick with Secret benefits to avoid spending all that dough. I buy credits, but they run out very quickly. I have had to re-up w few times. Shit I am at her asking price of 450 paid to Secret Benefits. There is a large selection on there, but I can't keep forking out that cash to message the ladies or read my messages.

I am a novice is the SB world, no doubt, so I am seriously asking how to navigate the game and what is a reasonable allowance?

[DougQuad]

Anyone have recommendations for a place to get waxing done. I am looking for a place that makes men comfortable getting a wax and bonus if they take their time applying the lotion after.

[DougQuad]

I am looking to get waxed downstairs and I am wondering if any of you have recommendations of a place near northern Delaware that does waxing for men and had a great experience. Wether that is just someone doing a great job and making you feel comfortable or some one who takes their time applying lotion after the waxing just looking for recommendations. DM or replies to this welcome.

[PhuqTaztik]

Hey,

I'm looking for a provider whose game is one point. Aggressive, sloppy, messy is what I'm looking for. Looks not important. Jess waz the best that had been posting recently but stopped. Drop me a reply or pm if your willing to help.

[CSerpnt]

This has been a tough year for many & dam if I didn't forget to send Ceph a card. Musta been all those operations I had this year. (I'm tired of hearing the buzzer go off when the Docs are removing things.) New Docs must have used the "Operation" game for practice. Hope next year's better for all. Anyways,

BELATED HAPPY ANNIVERSARY CEPH!!

11-10-05 00:33 #78
Cephlapod Love
Senior Member
Posts: 2239

Rookie Mongering

So I went out for my virgin run at the sw Monger game tonight. (Been a guest of amps for years) Guess it was early for what you experienced guys do as I was out ~11:00 PM. Laid out a route beforehand, GP Blvd into the city, Spruce to 9, down to Micky D's -->all dead. Slid over to 13 up to Hak's and saw a wsw at the usual locale. Unfortunately too many guys hanging around in the vicinity, on foot, for my comfort. Headed into town and looped back down 13, stopped in Hak's lot obviously away from the business, but drew no attention my way, so I looped around left twice and back over to 9 again. Nothing along 9, but did see someone on the pay phone at McDs. (was this a target I missed?) Then back over to 13, saw a pair of ladies hanging out at Wawa (is this a new hangout?). Then back up toward the clubs where I saw 3 LE: one marked pointing south on 13, one unmarked sedan doing the same and one marked on the connector road between 9 & 13. All 3 were lit up and seemed to be "interviewing." On that pass, the wsw was still there, made eye contact but with so much 'company' decided not to stop. So I headed into town, and remembered some advice from here. 5th Street. Danced around and found myself on 5th, ran the length from the CTHSE to the 95. Plenty of people standing around, not many (if any) were of the F persuasion. Made a couple of loops, but saw nothing. Then again, perhaps I need some training in 'seeing.'

Anyone care to offer comments, advice, etc.?

[Shampoo55]

I just found out that an escort that I visited several years ago took her life last year. I know that we can't give last names, but this woman's first name is so unique that I will refrain from giving that as well. She lived in New Castle, was in her 40's and had a 21 year old live in girlfriend that she referred to as her daughter even though she freely admitted that they weren't related. I met the 21 year old once and then arranged to meet both. It was a very good time and very affordable as well. I never did get together again because it was clear that I preferred the older woman, but I only had digits for the younger one who subsequently ignored me, perhaps because she was jealous. Anyway, she gave me her real name, and it turns out that we have a mutual Facebook friend. I also found out that she had a college degree and a conviction for using bad checks, and that she was a very good poker player. Not the typical user girl. She seemed like a woman who made money any way she could, and it really didn't matter to her if she made the money by working an office job, or at a card table, or stealing, giving me a blow job or doing a show for me by eating her "daughter" as I did the same to her. I had hoped to meet up with her and become a regular, or perhaps become a friend with benefits, but it never happened. She eventually moved away, made occasional Facebook posts with her new boyfriend and appeared to have left the business and was happy in her new lifestyle. I recently checked her Facebook page and learned that she took her own life about a year ago. Her obituary said that she struggled with addiction for years and could be clean for long periods but also relapsed frequently as well. I didn't see any evidence of her being a user, and she was a pleasant person to talk with, so perhaps I met her during her better times. I'm not sure why I was so sad to learn that she had passed. It was as if a casual acquaintance had died. Maybe I was upset because I will never get to play with her lovely 36 D's again. I know that these girls don't feel any connection to us mongers, and most of them hate us, but this lady's background seemed completely different from the others.

I'm not sure why I wrote this, but I thought that some of you may remember her.

Nice long remembrance but you didn't mention her name. I have seen girl's full names posted on the threads, and when reported, not taken down, so I do not know if there is a prohibition on "outing" girl's names. I thing the policy refers to mongers, or it is one of the "gray" rules that can go either way on a case by case basis.

Too bad you never asked the older girl for her number when you were doing a 3-way and thus got to see her individually!

[Delco Gent]

I just found out that an escort that I visited several years ago took her life last year. I know that we can't give last names, but this woman's first name is so unique that I will refrain from giving that as well. She lived in New Castle, was in her 40's and had a 21 year old live in girlfriend that she referred to as her daughter even though she freely admitted that they weren't related. I met the 21 year old once and then arranged to meet both. It was a very good time and very affordable as well. I never did get together again because it was clear that I preferred the older woman, but I only had digits for the younger one who subsequently ignored me, perhaps because she was jealous. Anyway, she gave me her real name, and it turns out that we have a mutual Facebook friend. I also found out that she had a college degree and a conviction for using bad checks, and that she was a very good poker player. Not the typical user girl. She seemed like a woman who made money any way she could, and it really didn't matter to her if she made the money by working an office job, or at a card table, or stealing, giving me a blow job or doing a show for me by eating her "daughter" as I did the same to her. I had hoped to meet up with her and become a regular, or perhaps become a friend with benefits, but it never happened. She eventually moved away, made occasional Facebook posts with her new boyfriend and appeared to have left the business and was happy in her new lifestyle. I recently checked her Facebook page and learned that she took her own life about a year ago. Her obituary said that she struggled with addiction for years and could be clean for long periods but also relapsed frequently as well. I didn't see any evidence of her being a user, and she was a pleasant person to talk with, so perhaps I met her during her better times. I'm not sure why I was so sad to learn that she had passed. It was as if a casual acquaintance had died. Maybe I was upset because I will never get to play with her lovely 36 D's again. I know that these girls don't feel any connection to us mongers, and most of them hate us, but this lady's background seemed completely different from the others.

I'm not sure why I wrote this, but I thought that some of you may remember her.

[Dbf3251]

The site is back up again! So glad that resource is finally back.

[Cephlapod Love]

Well I did meet her downtown. Nice gal but not my type. Pic is about 10-15 years ago. Did not even discuss menu. Oh well.

Sorry it didn't work. Thanks for sharing!