Prices thread: For reporting or complaining about prices

[IndigoWalk]

I was reading a thread and it said "on par with the Chicago Rate Card" - got me thinking that I don't really know what that is after maybe a hundred visits in Chicago (this goes back to another thread of why don't they counter offer?

I've paid for a massage and left various amount of tips depending on how good the massage was.

If it was below standard, I've left 0-20, standard, I left a tip between 40-60, above average, I would leave 80 and for exceptional service, perhaps 120-160 on top of the door fee for exceptional services. I'm thinking my scaling is off, as I get a lot of standard and above average. Maybe too low for exceptional?

I'm not in this game to dicker over 20 or 40. I mean really. They all work hard.

[Getreal]

The problem is there are too many providers. Just go on Tryst and look up any given city. There will be 10-30 pages of escorts. Since its still illegal, there is a certain risk to getting caught. So, would you rather see 2-4 guys a week at 500 an hour or see 10 guys a week at 200 an hour. That increases your chances of LE encounters. Plus, all these newbies flooding the market trying to get their cut. I see so many I'm new to the game, but I charge 600 HR. Or the huge women, I'm not paying $ per pound. Remember when these providers knew their rank. The ranking system is gone now. The days of escorts.com were the good ol' days.

Additionally, now that weed is legal, would I rather spend 300 on a nut that lasts 60 min or spend 300 on an ounce that lasts a month.

[IndigoWalk]

If the MT is there to make maximum profit, the conversation should almost always be: Customer: $1. 2, Provider "X. X Minimum + why. Why" Then customer evaluates difference. Can a deal be made? He may actually pay X+why or they may haggle down to X.

And if customer offers Z Provider Min X, Provider should still counter at Z+why premium, in hopes of capturing the excess return. Having the negotiation occur at the end of a session with a clock creates a quick resolution to the negotiation.

These MT providers aren't dumb. Their collective knowledge of the economics of their industry, I'm betting, is larger than our collective knowledge. Because they share more. So I think there is more to the story here.

The strategy is to get your little head to do the thinking for you. Further, because negotiations have gotten to the L3 discussion, she's thinking she's got you locked for at least L1 if not L2. So her minimum marginal return is $. 4- 6 and possibly $. 8-$1. And finally, she probably has a threshold for L3, depending on the MT, where in her mind she won't consider L3 unless it's $X. X.

As a side note, you have the occasionally monger who reinforces this strategy by paying $1-$1. 2 for a nude L1 or $2+ for L3. So in her mind, if you won't pay, the next guy might.

[Ron M]

You won't be the first guy she asks "You Tell Me". She already has her price in mind. She's just trying to find out if your YTM price will match her price.

[SpaGuy21]

The only game theory I could come up with is that they think the LE risk is not zero at that point, and by countering they are implicating themselves. But the LE counter game theory would then to always offer high so that it's always accepted, and sting is concluded. So that doesn't make sense to me either. What's the real reason for the "you tell me" pricing strategy?

The strategy is to get your little head to do the thinking for you. Further, because negotiations have gotten to the L3 discussion, she's thinking she's got you locked for at least L1 if not L2. So her minimum marginal return is $. 4- 6 and possibly $. 8-$1. And finally, she probably has a threshold for L3, depending on the MT, where in her mind she won't consider L3 unless it's $X. X.

As a side note, you have the occasionally monger who reinforces this strategy by paying $1-$1. 2 for a nude L1 or $2+ for L3. So in her mind, if you won't pay, the next guy might.

[RichL1234]

So I had an interesting Econ lesson yesterday that I can't quite figure out. Was at one of the spas on Belmont. First time back at this one in at least a year so not recognized. I had a nice $0. 7/ hr massage. Then the masseuse asks "what do you want" - I indicated L3, she laughs and says no, then a few moments later asks if I have a condom and starts the "you tell me"how much will I give her?" I thought I was in the right realm at $1. 2, but was shut down super fast without any discussion. Finished happy, but got my mind back on Econ lessons. I've seen the "you tell me" in action before, and can never figure out the logic of it.

Let's assume we had a willing buyer and seller in the room. The product is not a consumable (well maybe it is, LOL), product, so it's re-sellable. The risk of LE was already established to be zero given the rest of the discussion. Why wasn't more effort given toward "price discovery?" Why "you tell me" with no counteroffers to see if there was a mutually agreeable price point? Her expected marginal return is always higher than $0, which is what she got with the quick shut down. (e. G. If there is a 50% chance I would say yes to $200, her expected marginal return for the upsell over all mongers would be $100 to be transparent, as opposed to opaque pricing where we have to guess and she is likely to end up with $0 marginal return. (I'm ignoring the secondary happy finish transaction for simplicity).

The only game theory I could come up with is that they think the LE risk is not zero at that point, and by countering they are implicating themselves. But the LE counter game theory would then to always offer high so that it's always accepted, and sting is concluded. So that doesn't make sense to me either. What's the real reason for the "you tell me" pricing strategy?

I always counter it with " No. You tell me! " . That always seems to get the ball rolling in a more favorable direction, and hopefully both sides meet in the middle somewhere (not proven 100 % effective, but sometimes it works).

[IndigoWalk]

So I had an interesting Econ lesson yesterday that I can't quite figure out. Was at one of the spas on Belmont. First time back at this one in at least a year so not recognized. I had a nice $0. 7/ hr massage. Then the masseuse asks "what do you want" - I indicated L3, she laughs and says no, then a few moments later asks if I have a condom and starts the "you tell me"how much will I give her?" I thought I was in the right realm at $1. 2, but was shut down super fast without any discussion. Finished happy, but got my mind back on Econ lessons. I've seen the "you tell me" in action before, and can never figure out the logic of it.

Let's assume we had a willing buyer and seller in the room. The product is not a consumable (well maybe it is, LOL), product, so it's re-sellable. The risk of LE was already established to be zero given the rest of the discussion. Why wasn't more effort given toward "price discovery?" Why "you tell me" with no counteroffers to see if there was a mutually agreeable price point? Her expected marginal return is always higher than $0, which is what she got with the quick shut down. (e. G. If there is a 50% chance I would say yes to $200, her expected marginal return for the upsell over all mongers would be $100 to be transparent, as opposed to opaque pricing where we have to guess and she is likely to end up with $0 marginal return. (I'm ignoring the secondary happy finish transaction for simplicity).

The only game theory I could come up with is that they think the LE risk is not zero at that point, and by countering they are implicating themselves. But the LE counter game theory would then to always offer high so that it's always accepted, and sting is concluded. So that doesn't make sense to me either. What's the real reason for the "you tell me" pricing strategy?

[ApplePiePussy]

Generally white girl attitudes suck too! I gave up on them, can't say I have seen a white girl in at least 10 years. On one side, If they are even close to average or better than average looking they always have a severe case of GPS, on the other side, they are meth'd out and\or have so much ink on them they look like a NY city subway train that went off the rails. Have not seen an attractive GND vibe white girl without GPS available in years.

TP.

The majority of American women are fat. The country as a whole is close to 70 percent overweight. So the ones who are thin get all the attention and develop GPS naturally. It's a funny thing about pricing. Pay someone to take quality photographs, photoshop the shit out of them, place them on a website with stilted writing and terms like:

$1500 requiem.

$3000 seduction.

$6000 interlude.

$50000 wayfaring.

And all of a sudden wealthy mongers who just assume that the pricing means a better experience will line up to pay you. And this is the best part:

Because of the high cost to entry, they will never admit that it was a bad time. So your reviews will always be 10/10.

Thank god for Asians and Euros. I would have quit the hobby long ago without them.

[Ratso100]

Generally white girl attitudes suck too! I gave up on them, can't say I have seen a white girl in at least 10 years. On one side, If they are even close to average or better than average looking they always have a severe case of GPS, on the other side, they are meth'd out and\or have so much ghetto ink on them they look like a NY city subway train that went off the rails. Have not seen an attractive GND vibe white girl without GPS available in years.

TP.

How much does a third party factor in the equation such as the pimp, agency, driver, body guard, screener, etc?

[Terrapin911]

White girl prices suck!

Generally white girl attitudes suck too! I gave up on them, can't say I have seen a white girl in at least 10 years. On one side, If they are even close to average or better than average looking they always have a severe case of GPS, on the other side, they are meth'd out and\or have so much ghetto ink on them they look like a NY city subway train that went off the rails. Have not seen an attractive GND vibe white girl without GPS available in years.

TP.

[Jayp80]

For a good (short, and funny) University of Chicago lecture on prostitute pricing strategy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hABM20X0iZg.

I recall, although it's been several years since I read Freakonomics, that the original UC / Levitt study in 2008-2010 suggested demand actually increased as prices increased. Which was a pretty unexpected result to the economist. Usually demand declines when price increases. My thinking is that it just shows that there are a lot more high end mongers than low end mongers. Likely a result of a rapidly marginally increasing discretionary cash at higher income levels (once you hit your basic needs, you have way less utility for every additional $, so it goes to free spend). But it's been a very long while since I did Econ 101.

Read the books also, there was a section about how SWs priced based on how attractive they thought their client was too. There was also a MSNBC / CNBC doc on escorts and they asked a $10 k an hr girl why would dudes pay 10 k an hr her response was because that's what she charged, implying if you charge X people think you're worth X.

[IndigoWalk]

For a good (short, and funny) University of Chicago lecture on prostitute pricing strategy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hABM20X0iZg.

I recall, although it's been several years since I read Freakonomics, that the original UC / Levitt study in 2008-2010 suggested demand actually increased as prices increased. Which was a pretty unexpected result to the economist. Usually demand declines when price increases. My thinking is that it just shows that there are a lot more high end mongers than low end mongers. Likely a result of a rapidly marginally increasing discretionary cash at higher income levels (once you hit your basic needs, you have way less utility for every additional $, so it goes to free spend). But it's been a very long while since I did Econ 101.

[Ratso100]

I would repost my experience from last evening. But that shit would be redundant. Either way, I guess that's the free market with no regulations fellas. It fucks the consumer and the worker because this chicks have "GPS". But the p ain't for pussy, it's for pimp. Half of these broads raise their prices because I bet they lose their protection. So if protection needs a bigger cut because shit has been more dangerous due to the rising burglar and assault rates in the city, these chicks raise the dollar. I'm not talking about druggies with street pimps, I wouldn't be surprised if agencies and parlors want more reassurance for the drivers, doormen, and papasan.

[Fit312]

What is GPS?

Golden Pussy Syndrome.

[Ron M]

What is GPS?

Golden Pussy Syndrome.

When girls think they're worth more than their actual market value.