Relationship advice

[HisunSpot]

You guys really have to stop trying to change these women. People only change if they want to, and most of all if it benefits them to change.

Agreed. Nobody tried to change anybody. She told me she was college and she was just bartending to pay for it. I never saw her going out with anybody. We chatted for a while, we started going out as friends first. Never paid her anything. She seemed legit. Here in the west, there's nothing wrong with a job like that. I believed her and I got owned sometime later on. This working girl I'm seeing started to sell me love stories. It brought memories back and I posted my past experience. That simple. That was years ago. I thought maybe somebody could benefit from my story.

[SureYourRight]

Part 1:

http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...=1#post6272702

Part 2:

That experience in Thailand was cold, cruel, and evil. The whole thing was a straight lie. I truly believed she was trying to pay for college by bartending. My mind made it real. I should have been more alert but loneliness clouded my judgement. If I knew from the very beginning she was just another working girl, then my story would have been completely different. It would have been an non issue.

Now I don't know who's who anymore. I know that eventually I'll meet an honest girl. But for now I keep my distance, I trust no one. Regular or working girl, I don't care how sweet or attractive or seductive she is, I just don't trust her.

You guys really have to stop trying to change these women. People only change if they want to, and most of all if it benefits them to change. When you are with these girls, don't worry about the future, or if she's lying / telling the truth, just accept the relationship or attention for what it is right now. A lot of these girls feel they have to string guys along with stories because they won't accept the reality. If you communicate early in the relationship that you aren't looking for a forever person and are just content with the relationship being transactional you won't run into these issues. You don't have to go to either end of the spectrum and say "fuck all these money grubbing bitches" but just accept that it is her to give men attention for money. The type of attention that man receives is up to the man, not the woman. Every girl has rules and limits of course, but she's only going to go off your signals and pretend to be the person you want her to be.

[HisunSpot]

Part 1:

http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...=1#post6272702

Part 2:

That experience in Thailand was cold, cruel, and evil. The whole thing was a straight lie. I truly believed she was trying to pay for college by bartending. My mind made it real. I should have been more alert but loneliness clouded my judgement. If I knew from the very beginning she was just another working girl, then my story would have been completely different. It would have been an non issue.

Now I don't know who's who anymore. I know that eventually I'll meet an honest girl. But for now I keep my distance, I trust no one. Regular or working girl, I don't care how sweet or attractive or seductive she is, I just don't trust her.

Well I'm especially suspicious of the working girls that offer me the girlfriend experience. I just smile, they tell me love stories, I tell them what they want to hear, I play the game, but I'm out the moment I sense I'm getting under their spell. Maybe some truly feel something for me. Who knows. Who cares. I simply don't get emotionally involved with a prostitute. They tend to be, shall we say, unfaithful.

Self-preservation is a must in this wicked game we play. We need to protect ourselves otherwise we will end up losing our wallet, our dignity, and our minds. During the holidays I watched these movies as a reminder of that.

Ex-machina (2015).

Up in the air (2009).

The best offer (2013).

Moral of the story: it doesn't matter our age, looks, or wealth. When we are lonely, we become vulnerable. We want to believe the stories they tell us are real. Then our emotions take over clouding our judgement. Then we make poor decisions. Then big trouble comes our way.

[Caihua]

Hisun,

I know it sucks for one to learn these types of lessons. I have sure gone through my share throughout the years whether it's through adventures that would you normally read about on this form, or otherwise. I will have to say however that this is certainly one of the most concise and informative red-pill posts I have ever read on this (HNL) forum (including other cities such as LV and LA). Much mahalo for at least posting your experiences to help many others be mindful of some of the pitfalls. Out of all the Kbgs, Vbgs and other providers I've been with in one form or another, only three would have "passed" your test. Unless they CLEARLY pass the test, they are 100% business. It simply isn't worth it to guess.

That is too much. I only want to fuck a girl.

[Redneck 1]

There used to be one; what happened to it? I think even Admin recommended a couple of posts for that thread; one even more brutal than what happened to Hisun, and one back during the initial discovery/debate about Yoko (who later opened Green Island) when 'she' was in a Wilder Avenue studio.

If a "Posts of Distinction" thread for the Hawaii forum still exists, I can't find it.

[H Mobius]

If the Hawaii forum had a separate thread for "Posts of Distinction," your impressive post would certainly deserve to be in it.

There used to be one; what happened to it? I think even Admin recommended a couple of posts for that thread; one even more brutal than what happened to Hisun, and one back during the initial discovery/debate about Yoko (who later opened Green Island) when 'she' was in a Wilder Avenue studio.

[HogBalls69]

I've been seeing working girls off and on for a while, here on the island and all over the world during my travels. I consider myself fully vaccinated against their lies, I'm red pilled cold hearted individual who understands that this mongering thing is just a pastime after I have completed my projects at work and my own personal goals. I'm a full on mgtow in that department. But every now and then I feel lonely like everyone else. We are all human beings and sometimes we just can't help feeling that way.

Once upon a time in Thailand, during one those lonely phases, I found myself falling for this girl. Pretty, young, really fit, charming like you wouldn't believe. Conversation was great, we laughed together. It was fantastic. She told me everything a man wants to hear: how much she appreciated me, how much she loved me, how a great lover I was, how much she missed me since our last date, how lucky she was to be with me. In bed she was a sex kitten. Every man's desires fulfilled. No questions asked. Ah she was the one --I told myself daydreaming. She would stop working at bars, she'd leave everything and everyone else to be with me, she would be the love of my life and I was going to be hers. We would get married and start a family together. We would be there for each other until we grew old together.

One night after great sex, out of nowhere it slipped she was actually a lesbian. Living with her partner at a place nearby. She also told me she had an older boyfriend in Europe who sent her money on a regular basis. When she told me she was away seeing her family up north, she was actually in town with her boyfriend. My whole world just stopped. My heart literally started hurting. I couldn't breathe for a few seconds. I wished there was an earthquake for the earth to swallow me right then and there. I wished the whole world stopped and cease to exist taking me along with it. She kept talking but I couldn't hear anything. Everything was in slow motion. After a few minutes that seemed hours, I managed to get to my senses. Looking straight into her eyes I asked why she did that to me when I had done nothing wrong to her. Why all the theatrics and if she meant anything she ever told me.

She said nothing. Shortly after with a smile, completely void of any type of emotion, she says: "honey, I thought you knew. This is just business."

I left without saying a word. Just stood up and left. She tried to stop me but I just removed her hand from my arm and just left. The humiliation was too much and I was not going to give her the satisfaction to see me in tears feeling sorry for myself. I couldn't sleep that night asking myself why, how I could have been so stupid for not detecting any of it. By morning I decided to write a list of questions I would ask myself over and over like a mantra. I took a walk on the beach until I was really tired and my feet were numb. Finally I was able to sleep.

Here my own list of questions I ask myself every single time before and after I see a girl. I ask myself these questions out loud as if I was giving advice to a dear friend or a family member.

She can fool you on the first few questions. Beware your mind will try to justify or lie to you on the questions. But as you go down the list the whole situation becomes clear. I hope it helps somebody and please feel free to add your own.

- do you know her real name?

- when was the last time she shared with you details of her personal life?

- when was the last time she asked for __details__ about your day? Or your personal life?

- when was the last time she texted you on her own asking you how you've been?

- when was the last time she invited you to hang out after work?

- when was the last time she gave you a small present for your birthday or anniversary?

- when was the last time she gave you a discount?

- when was the last time she banged you for free?

- these girls are broken and damage goods.

- many of these girls do drugs. Have you seen her eyes? Do you think she can keep up 24/7 with the same bubbly energy with just soup and veggies?

- many these girls are selfish sociopaths absorbing your sexual energy. Our sexual energy to them is like blood to a vampire.

- understand that at this precise moment, she's banging someone else and you know it.

- she's just a working girl who doesn't care about you as a person. Only your money and sexual energy and good disposition.

- think of her as a fembot. Emotionless and heartless just going through the motions.

"honey, I thought you knew. This is just business."

Hisun,

I know it sucks for one to learn these types of lessons. I have sure gone through my share throughout the years whether it's through adventures that would you normally read about on this form, or otherwise. I will have to say however that this is certainly one of the most concise and informative red-pill posts I have ever read on this (HNL) forum (including other cities such as LV and LA). Much mahalo for at least posting your experiences to help many others be mindful of some of the pitfalls. Out of all the Kbgs, Vbgs and other providers I've been with in one form or another, only three would have "passed" your test. Unless they CLEARLY pass the test, they are 100% business. It simply isn't worth it to guess.

[Redneck 1]

Once upon a time in Thailand, during one of those lonely phases, I found myself falling for this girl...

If the Hawaii forum had a separate thread for "Posts of Distinction," your impressive post would certainly deserve to be in it.

This post should be read by all mongers, and especially those who are relatively new to the hobby.

Well done.

[Johnny14]

No such thing as losing; just delayed success.

And the flat tires occurring in between the ride and the final destination. Everybody have one well-deserved drink in the Old and throughout the New Years.

A wise mechanic once mentioned in order to get the most mileage in life, one must rotate them tires often. If one goes flat, don't worry about it, just rotate it with another.

[MitsFunai]

As for me, I'm a 2 time loser with civilians so go figure.

No such thing as losing; just delayed success.

Pay your fare, enjoy the ride and when you reach your destination and the bus comes to a stop jump onto the next bus. Life is more adventurous riding different buses as there are different experiences and perspectives. Happy mongering.

As a now deceased geezer told me "Life's a ***** and then you die". Makes you want to drink doesn't it? Happy New Year and Stay Safe this weekend Gentlemen.

And the flat tires occurring in between the ride and the final destination. Everybody have one well-deserved drink in the Old and throughout the New Years.

[MakaKiller]

Think of it this way, every encounter is a bus ride, some rides are comfortable others not so comfortable but with every bus its a paid fare enjoy the ride while it lasts but never taking the ride seriously as your permanent transportation but a vehicle to get you to the next bus ride. You never know what your going to encounter jumping on the bus but one thing is definite you can always hop on to another bus wherever you are in the world. Pay your fare, enjoy the ride and when you reach your destination and the bus comes to a stop jump onto the next bus. Life is more adventurous riding different buses as there are different experiences and perspectives.

Happy mongering.

Amusing allegory V-Lova. Sort of like Forrest Gump's box of chocolates, "you never know what you're going to get. " And I suppose if you don't like what you've bit into you can spit it out and pick another LOL. I believe the unpredictability of our choices and their resulting outcomes provide us with the opportunity to experience the spontaneity and vitality of life. As a now deceased geezer told me "Life's a Btch and then you die". Makes you want to drink doesn't it? Happy New Year and Stay Safe this weekend Gentlemen.

[Vajajalova]

This is basically true would be my guess but under the category never say never, I have 3 friends who have totally successful marriages with former kbgs. All with kids and all over 10 years. As for me, I'm a 2 time loser with civilians so go figure.

SS.

Think of it this way, every encounter is a bus ride, some rides are comfortable others not so comfortable but with every bus its a paid fare enjoy the ride while it lasts but never taking the ride seriously as your permanent transportation but a vehicle to get you to the next bus ride. You never know what your going to encounter jumping on the bus but one thing is definite you can always hop on to another bus wherever you are in the world. Pay your fare, enjoy the ride and when you reach your destination and the bus comes to a stop jump onto the next bus. Life is more adventurous riding different buses as there are different experiences and perspectives.

Happy mongering.

[Shipshape]

You stay right. No more and never hear of one success story in the LVB catalog of 'taking the KBG out of the KB. ' Doubt if AMP girls any different from their KBG sistas.
Their jobs is for actively use any means for take what you get; leave you with nothing.

This is basically true would be my guess but under the category never say never, I have 3 friends who have totally successful marriages with former kbgs. All with kids and all over 10 years. As for me, I'm a 2 time loser with civilians so go figure.

SS.

[MitsFunai]

Many a wise "lover of bars" has told me "You can take the girl out of the bar but you can't take the bar out of the girl". This probably applies to working girls as well. Every White Knight ends up getting knocked off his horse into the dirt sooner or later. Sorry if I sound cynical. Stay Safe Gentlemen.

You stay right. No more and never hear of one success story in the LVB catalog of 'taking the KBG out of the KB. ' Doubt if AMP girls any different from their KBG sistas.
Their jobs is for actively use any means for take what you get; leave you with nothing.

[Me Cook]

Many a wise "lover of bars" has told me "You can take the girl out of the bar but you can't take the bar out of the girl". This probably applies to working girls as well. Every White Knight ends up getting knocked off his horse into the dirt sooner or later. Sorry if I sound cynical. Stay Safe Gentlemen.

As long as the bar girl thinks that she can get any guy that she wants with her smile then she would not make a good girlfriend or spouse. I have been with numerous Vietnamese, Japanese, and Korean bar girls. These bar girls get corrupted with that princess syndrome thinking. I do know a few bar girls that have successfully transitioned into civilian lives. One Vietnamese bar girl had even become a wife of a pastor of a church. She did have a nice personality and a loving heart. But they are a very small minority and they were not the seasoned veteran bar girls. So you might be able to find a good woman in the bars for a wife if you can give her some status that would make her not look fondly back on her former bar life.

I also know of a few Korean AMP girls that have become happily married and one that has stopped working for a civilian job so she can find a husband. These AMP girls know how society looks down on them and many will make good wives if you can elevate their status and provide them with enough money. Only problem is that she might not be able to live on a smaller income that you can provide her. So it depends on how much she hates working as an AMP girl as to how little income she is willing to accept. Many try to quit only to return back to the golden handcuffs of working the AMP life.

I have now found that the AMP girls have much better personalities than the bar girls that I have seen. Most bar girls are pretending to have an acceptable lifestyle but the AMP girls are not able to pretend that. Believe it or not, the best woman (both civilian and working) that I have ever fallen for is Yuna of Happiness. I would have had many fights with other women by now, but with Yuna, we have not had any arguments or disagreements after several years and a few hundred visits. So although I might have an exclusive relationship with her, I know that she is still going to bed with other guys and that no longer bothers me since I enjoy every minute with her. I think that it is only fair since I too have been with hundreds of women.

I have gone off the deep end over this one. Although Yuna was not my first love, she will probably be my last. I am truly impressed that she can get along with me for this long without voicing any problems. I still look forward to seeing her again and again. I am having the best time of my life with her and truly hope that this will last a very long time.