General Reports

[JmSuttr]

I'm not a legal beagle so I might be talking out of my ass.

Two major differences between us and Redbook.

1. Our revenue from here is only from banner ads. We are working on some other sites that will be affiliates, but the USASG doesn't take any money from chicks posting ads.

2. Neither us, nor our servers are in the USA. I don't think the Redbook guys did that. This week they would have to find the data in Liberia, who knows where the servers will be next week.

The only thing we really need to do next is to move the URL which we might get around to someday. As of right now, this is a discussion forum and nothing else. So far, they haven't written out protected speech in the constitution. Given the way things are going in Sex Prison, I'm not sure it's always going to be that way but for now you guys can continue to publish your fiction and thought exercises as long as you wish.

Again, I'm not a lawyer, have never played one on TV, nor did I stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night. I'm pretty sure I'm correct about this but I'm not positive. We are thinking about starting some social media, not really for the conversation, just to have multiple places you guys can find us if we ever need to move quickly. Maybe Twitter and FB. Again, not so much for the convo, we wont be pissed if nobody likes us, just a place we can post a new link if need be.

A2

I think both those differences are huge and especially staying out of reach of what is increasingly a grasping, overreaching, big-brother govt.

What I'm hoping for is a resolution to this case that exposes the govt's position as the flimsy house of cards it is. Because, if Count One fails, everything else collapses. And since the case will be heard in San Francisco, a famously liberal jurisdiction, the defense attorney will only need to convince one juror that providing an advertising / discussion site for adult pursuits has absolutely no equivalence to pimping or trafficking or otherwise profiting from illegal activity. If the govt loses this case, it will be a major victory for free speech and individual freedoms.

Better yet just legalize the whole damn thing, switch LE's focus to stopping real (not imagined) trafficking and violence against women, and thereby join most of the civilized world!

[Admin2]

I'm not a legal beagle so I might be talking out of my ass.

Two major differences between us and Redbook.

1. Our revenue from here is only from banner ads. We are working on some other sites that will be affiliates, but the USASG doesn't take any money from chicks posting ads.

2. Neither us, nor our servers are in the USA. I don't think the Redbook guys did that. This week they would have to find the data in Liberia, who knows where the servers will be next week.

The only thing we really need to do next is to move the URL which we might get around to someday. As of right now, this is a discussion forum and nothing else. So far, they haven't written out protected speech in the constitution. Given the way things are going in Sex Prison, I'm not sure it's always going to be that way but for now you guys can continue to publish your fiction and thought exercises as long as you wish.

Again, I'm not a lawyer, have never played one on TV, nor did I stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night. I'm pretty sure I'm correct about this but I'm not positive. We are thinking about starting some social media, not really for the conversation, just to have multiple places you guys can find us if we ever need to move quickly. Maybe Twitter and FB. Again, not so much for the convo, we wont be pissed if nobody likes us, just a place we can post a new link if need be.

A2

Here's the full text of the indictment:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/231346859/...ook-Indictment

When you read it, you'll notice that everything hinges on the first count, which says that the RB owners used interstate commerce (the internet) to promote activity that is unlawful in various states, including CA's penal code section 647 be. All the remaining counts are either money laundering or forfeiture charges that rest entirely on whether or not Count One is found to be true.

Like BP and Craigslist, RB's defense will most likely center on the fact that the owners were simply providing a forum for advertising and discussion and had no direct involvement in any illegal activity. I don't know about statutes in other states, but CA 647 be is a misdemeanor and is what's called a "specific intent" statute (http://law.onecle.com/california/penal/647.html) which should provide a pretty decent platform for a good defense lawyer. One problem may be if the govt has already frozen the accounts of the owners, thereby depriving them of the resources they'll need to fight what, IMHO, is a clear govt overreach.

What I think is significant is, if the govt succeeds in this case, they could conceivably use the very same arguments against BP, CL, TER, Eros, USASG and others. And if the govt effectively shuts down or inhibits the hobby's use of the internet, then the oldest profession will just move back onto the streets or adapt in other ways. And that will probably mean additional risks for both provider and client.

Any legal beagles (professional or amateur) care to weigh in?

[JmSuttr]

If you haven't heard by now:

http://www.sfexaminer.com/sanfrancis...nt?oid=2834783

Not a good look at all for the DMV p4 p scene when you consider the massive number of providers from out West that routinely post ads in this area. This is so typical of how BS morality-based politics can make life harder for everyday people for no GD reason! Now mongers & providers are deprived of a wealth of information that made this game much, much safer.

Our gov't at it worst.

Here's the full text of the indictment:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/231346859/...ook-Indictment

When you read it, you'll notice that everything hinges on the first count, which says that the RB owners used interstate commerce (the internet) to promote activity that is unlawful in various states, including CA's penal code section 647 be. All the remaining counts are either money laundering or forfeiture charges that rest entirely on whether or not Count One is found to be true.

Like BP and Craigslist, RB's defense will most likely center on the fact that the owners were simply providing a forum for advertising and discussion and had no direct involvement in any illegal activity. I don't know about statutes in other states, but CA 647 be is a misdemeanor and is what's called a "specific intent" statute (http://law.onecle.com/california/penal/647.html) which should provide a pretty decent platform for a good defense lawyer. One problem may be if the govt has already frozen the accounts of the owners, thereby depriving them of the resources they'll need to fight what, IMHO, is a clear govt overreach.

What I think is significant is, if the govt succeeds in this case, they could conceivably use the very same arguments against BP, CL, TER, Eros, USASG and others. And if the govt effectively shuts down or inhibits the hobby's use of the internet, then the oldest profession will just move back onto the streets or adapt in other ways. And that will probably mean additional risks for both provider and client.

Any legal beagles (professional or amateur) care to weigh in?

[Pizzlepro02]

If you haven't heard by now:

http://www.sfexaminer.com/sanfrancis...nt?oid=2834783

Not a good look at all for the DMV p4 p scene when you consider the massive number of providers from out West that routinely post ads in this area. This is so typical of how BS morality-based politics can make life harder for everyday people for no GD reason! Now mongers & providers are deprived of a wealth of information that made this game much, much safer.

Our gov't at it worst.

[Mpduration]

I'm tellin you the oldest profession is secretly everywhere. Half the people are doing it but nobodys talkin about it. Could be anyone from that trusting doctor to your school teacher. Of course we all know those crooked politicians are doing it too. DC cop in court for pimping a couple of minors.

http://www.wtop.com/109/3647500/DC-o...p-due-in-court

Trust no man. Because when they think they can do something and get away with it, they will always try to get pussy on the side.

[MrLombardo1]

I'm tellin you the oldest profession is secretly everywhere. Half the people are doing it but nobodys talkin about it. Could be anyone from that trusting doctor to your school teacher. Of course we all know those crooked politicians are doing it too. DC cop in court for pimping a couple of minors.

http://www.wtop.com/109/3647500/DC-o...p-due-in-court

[Zhuxi]

"Let's take a look at what happened recently in this area, in Prince George's County, where police recently got attention for their social media efforts. The department announcing last week that it would live tweet a prostitution sting. A lot of people criticized that move, saying it could harm innocent people".

"The question ... About sharing pictures of people who have been arrested and not convicted, I think is extremely important to be asking.".

http://thekojonnamdishow.org/shows/2...dia/transcript

Heard the same. I was very glad to hear someone in the media criticizing any part of the operation, and I think that point in particular was valid.

Zhuxi.

[Chuppi]

"Let's take a look at what happened recently in this area, in Prince George's County, where police recently got attention for their social media efforts. The department announcing last week that it would live tweet a prostitution sting. A lot of people criticized that move, saying it could harm innocent people".

"The question ... About sharing pictures of people who have been arrested and not convicted, I think is extremely important to be asking.".

http://thekojonnamdishow.org/shows/2...dia/transcript

[MrLombardo1]

Sex is human nature. Some people have higher sex drives then others and need more than from their wife or g / f but may not want or have the time for another relationship. Others may have fantasies or fetishes or may even lack social skills to have relationships with the type of woman they are attracted to. Their just going to drive things to be more of an underground network. Next thing will be Johns and providers being in a black book. Once you have had sex you get a rating and you get in and your in your good to go.

[Mpduration]

Check the dates. The first link is from May 2, 2013. While the second has no date I can see, the first comment is 1 year old.

I just found out about those video clips recently. Thought the fellow mongers might be interested. Lots of good intel was in those clips and how stings go down, etc. It was also interesting to note that PG county now how has internet vice crime units. Many people I know never saw those clips in 2013. It was a oh shit moment when we watched them. This a continuation of the vice crackdown since August of 2010. Were pg county was arresting 50 people a month in internet vice stings (25 guys and 25 women) a month on average. The vice rain of terror went from August of 2010 to Jan 2011. Then it started up again in Jan 2013 with the new internet vice units. You can verify with with the Maryland court case search if you know someone who has been busted. The visiting and local providers you don't see advertise anymore got busted or nearly busted in pg county.

Here is a press release in 2010 that talks about the crackdown.

https://web.archive.org/web/20101115...px?itemid=2904

[JmSuttr]

You know there are also videos of how to get out of being busted if you feel you have entered a room with a police sting. Everyone knows about feeling of the girls breasts and her grabbing your crotch but I saw if she is pressing you for money and naming what you want just ask her for a strip tease dance. That's legal and a lady cop is not going to do a strip dance for you. If she does it then you can talk about going further. Of course you should do all your research and try to avoid this situation but this is a last resort. Stay safe my friends.

Most providers are already paranoid about talking $ and expect the client to know the donation amount and handle the transaction without conversation. With that in mind, if a provider started talking to me about $ that would be a huge red flag and I would immediately tell her there must be some misunderstanding and walk out without hesitation.

If she is LEO, or working with LEO, then the odds are you are being recorded in some way and hanging around even for a few minutes more could give them enough justification for an arrest. There are plenty of other options out there and it's not worth the risk, IMHO.

[MrLombardo1]

Check the dates. The first link is from May 2, 2013. While the second has no date I can see, the first comment is 1 year old.

You know there are also videos of how to get out of being busted if you feel you have entered a room with a police sting. Everyone knows about feeling of the girls breasts and her grabbing your crotch but I saw if she is pressing you for money and naming what you want just ask her for a strip tease dance. That's legal and a lady cop is not going to do a strip dance for you. If she does it then you can talk about going further. Of course you should do all your research and try to avoid this situation but this is a last resort. Stay safe my friends.

[Bunker Buster]

LOL at X Facta. You guys are looking way too hard!

In the post, Buster said most of his providers drive to him. So most could be 85%, 93%, 95% or even 97%. The rest, no matter the number, is where the danger lies even for the best of us. In other words, unless he 100% deals with those who drive to him, it would be foolish to feel too comfortable.

Of course the danger is in the 5-10% where I might go to a hotel (especially if I'm trying someone new), but if 90% of my hobbying is outcall with familiar quantities (some of whom have stopped advertising and gone UTR), I've greatly reduced my exposure. Exposing myself to danger once a month is a lot better than 8-10 times a month.

It's not foolish to feel comfortable for the 90% of my activity that's now low-danger. When I go exploring for new talent, my guard is up and I follow all research and vetting procedures.

My cash-and-dash happened when I had to start working on a new girl to replace an ATF I thought was gone, but since resurfaced. I was trying to switch the new one over to the "come to me" program, which would have included expenses, gifts, and shopping trips, but she was more interested in burning me for a quick fix.

No system is perfect, but the more risk that can be removed, the better.

[Chuppi]

This video has johns being busted.
http://www.nbcwashington.com/investi...205705621.html

This one providers busted.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXYV8ZhlNK4

Check the dates. The first link is from May 2, 2013. While the second has no date I can see, the first comment is 1 year old.

[Chuppi]

I can't figure out what these numbers mean.

LOL at X Facta. You guys are looking way too hard!

In the post, Buster said most of his providers drive to him. So most could be 85%, 93%, 95% or even 97%. The rest, no matter the number, is where the danger lies even for the best of us. In other words, unless he 100% deals with those who drive to him, it would be foolish to feel too comfortable.