P411, verification sites, referrals and staying underground

[AstraTog]

I am new to the hobby, and am likewise dreading giving up I'd. However, it does seem like it limits my options essentially to AMPs, and random one-offs I find written up on TER. I see in the discussion below, the suggestion of using 2 references to get into P411, but it ends up a bit of a chicken / egg issue in getting any P411-approved providers to see me in the first place to prove that I'm legit.

I've seen a couple providers with reviews on TER so far, but neither one is on P411. I presume both would give good reference, but are there any agencies where that would cut it?

Do anyone have any advice they can share? Either generally about how to handle this, or specific agencies in NoVa who are willing to be flexible with verification?

Feels like a lot of people are in a similar boat, and have presumably found a solution for this issue?

[StayAnonymous]

Ok very interesting and insightful. All of which brings us to the next topic. Bitcoin - could one use bitcoin atms to deposit cash into a newly created fully anonymous bitcoin account so as to remain untraceable. Seems these bitcoin atms still require you to have a bitcoin app / phone number, which means they require you to have itunes etc which typically is associated with your real identity especially if your bank account is linked to it. Easy way to get anonymous itunes account is to get an old iphone / ipad / ipod touch from a pawn shop or somewhere else (make sure they don't record your info) and install it on wifi at a coffee shop that has no security cams etc. Then don't put in personal info or bank info on itunes account sign up and only download a free vpn app and use it to get anonymous email account from protonmail or tutanota etc. Then Use the appstore to get a texting app and use that for the bitcoin atm cash deposit. Now you are free and clear. Anyone see any roadblocks or oversights to this strategy. If its possible to be digitally free and clear as a monger, why not make the extra effort for the perfect setup.

For P411, there's a bitcoin option. Once in, I just focused on getting enough Oks to qualify for the lifetime membership. Once you pay that, you're done. Prior to Covid-19 happening, I spent time traveling in Europe and Canada. Got my two references from providers I saw in the UK that were in the network. Providers in Canada and the UK from experience are pretty lax at best on asking for I'd when booking. Never been asked for one, just for a reliable telephone number. Got Oks and references for them in case providers in the US didn't take P411. So, was able to get in with P411 without having to show an I'd to any provider or provide employment info. From then on, was a matter of finding providers who took P411 and getting Oks and references to build a network. Might be harder with K-girl agencies. Some will take your p411 for references, but still insist on seeing an I'd for the first visit. Not too hard to blackout any sensitive info on any photos of an I'd using photo tools on your phone. I usually blacked out almost everything except my photo haha.

[Mandoo2]

P411 and other similar sites sound like a great concept as long as you can keep your identity and personally identifiable information off of it.

Looking to know who has tried and true methods for dreaming with the pros who require I'd without giving your I'd.

On preferred 411 I see a 3 month free trial that doesn't require credit card and which with 2 references seems to be a way in.

Looking forward to the discussion mongers.

Free 3 Month Trial Membership.

The membership fee for Preferred411 is $149.00 dollars per year. However, if you are a new applicant with two P411 Companion references, you may qualify for a Free 3 Month Trial membership.

A reference can only be given by a P411 Companion with whom you have had a private session, and is willing to give a good reference on you. You will need two P411 Companion references. Also, please be aware that you are not eligible for the Free 3 Month Trial membership if you have already held a P411 membership.

If you do not have at least two P411 Companion references, you are still welcome to become a P411 member! Please click the link at the bottom of this page to access the Regular Client. Application if you don't have at least two companion references.

For P411, there's a bitcoin option. Once in, I just focused on getting enough Oks to qualify for the lifetime membership. Once you pay that, you're done. Prior to Covid-19 happening, I spent time traveling in Europe and Canada. Got my two references from providers I saw in the UK that were in the network. Providers in Canada and the UK from experience are pretty lax at best on asking for I'd when booking. Never been asked for one, just for a reliable telephone number. Got Oks and references for them in case providers in the US didn't take P411. So, was able to get in with P411 without having to show an I'd to any provider or provide employment info. From then on, was a matter of finding providers who took P411 and getting Oks and references to build a network. Might be harder with K-girl agencies. Some will take your p411 for references, but still insist on seeing an I'd for the first visit. Not too hard to blackout any sensitive info on any photos of an I'd using photo tools on your phone. I usually blacked out almost everything except my photo haha.

[StayAnonymous]

You could also bypass P411 by creating your own PII in the form of a fake I'd, Linkedin and business card to go with that I'd. Hardest part would be obtaining a "work email" but I think most providers would be fine with just the I'd, Linkedin and references.

Are you able to get skip the games to load while using a VPN?

Are you able to sign up for seeking while using a vpn? Do they accepts emails from protonmail, tutanota and other anonymous email platforms?

I suspect I couldn't create a fake linked in account while using a vpn or emails from anonymous platforms mentioned above.

Agree? What sites are okay with vpns etc. ?

[FloorHump422]

You could also bypass P411 by creating your own PII in the form of a fake I'd, Linkedin and business card to go with that I'd. Hardest part would be obtaining a "work email" but I think most providers would be fine with just the I'd, Linkedin and references.

[StayAnonymous]

P411 and other similar sites sound like a great concept as long as you can keep your identity and personally identifiable information off of it.

Looking to know who has tried and true methods for dreaming with the pros who require I'd without giving your I'd.

On preferred 411 I see a 3 month free trial that doesn't require credit card and which with 2 references seems to be a way in.

Looking forward to the discussion mongers.

Free 3 Month Trial Membership.

The membership fee for Preferred411 is $149.00 dollars per year. However, if you are a new applicant with two P411 Companion references, you may qualify for a Free 3 Month Trial membership.

A reference can only be given by a P411 Companion with whom you have had a private session, and is willing to give a good reference on you. You will need two P411 Companion references. Also, please be aware that you are not eligible for the Free 3 Month Trial membership if you have already held a P411 membership.

If you do not have at least two P411 Companion references, you are still welcome to become a P411 member! Please click the link at the bottom of this page to access the Regular Client. Application if you don't have at least two companion references.