English

[Speck]

James D, the subject in question, used to post a LOT and was using a english translator program. The result of such programs is usually a garbled mess, which you would understand if you would have read previous posts. That is the topic that is being addressed, not the subject of perfect grammer.

You guys have totally lost me with the purpose of this thread. Maybe someone can clarify it for me.

It is what constitutes good English or it's purpose? Writing skills and/or styles to facilitate effective communications or what?

Some general comments. Writing styles will vary considerably depending upon the author, audience, subject-matter, and purpose. The purpose of writing is to communicate.

In a forum like this, Jackson has made it easier for us by providing some basic guidelines. Since we are not writing collegial English essays which must have perfect grammar, punctuation, and spelling, I relax my style to make my points and attempt to use humor in getting it across. My editing ability leaves everything to be desired because I have a tendency to be lazy.

In part, all I want to do is communicate, make it easy to read, and write it quickly so people understand what I am saying. Our posts are not going to be graded like in school so we can relax some and not look for perfection.

I am not a big fan of using abbreviations since not everyone will know what they mean and/or will take the time to search them out and use them correctly.

BBB

[Bad Bad Boy]

You guys have totally lost me with the purpose of this thread. Maybe someone can clarify it for me.

It is what constitutes good English or it's purpose? Writing skills and/or styles to facilitate effective communications or what?

Some general comments. Writing styles will vary considerably depending upon the author, audience, subject-matter, and purpose. The purpose of writing is to communicate.

In a forum like this, Jackson has made it easier for us by providing some basic guidelines. Since we are not writing collegial English essays which must have perfect grammar, punctuation, and spelling, I relax my style to make my points and attempt to use humor in getting it across. My editing ability leaves everything to be desired because I have a tendency to be lazy.

In part, all I want to do is communicate, make it easy to read, and write it quickly so people understand what I am saying. Our posts are not going to be graded like in school so we can relax some and not look for perfection.

I am not a big fan of using abbreviations since not everyone will know what they mean and/or will take the time to search them out and use them correctly.

BBB

[PsyberZombie]

By if you speed read my speed writing, there's not much difference compared to perfect English. It's well known that for speed reading, you can capture the same meaning even if all the words are jumbled up.

The problem with not writing precisely is your meaning can easily be lost , as in the following example from one of today's Posts =

Some good news also was down at Pure Passion saturday night and saw that dark chocolate delight Candy the one with the ass that want quit.Hey One Time I got have the digits.

What does that last sentence mean ??

• I 'got' the digits i.e. obtained them ?? , or

• I 'have' the digits i.e. possess them ?? , or

• I 'got to have' the digits i.e. he really , really wants them , but does not in fact have them ??


Speaking of Confusing : we really need to drop the Monger Money Code because it's one of the biggest sources of confusing writing here =

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/sh...5&postcount=78

[James D 2004]

Psyber, so you lied? You said that Jackson banned you for capitalization. [Note the past tense, dude.]

That's true, repeat, my posts don't always have a point. So what? I'm finding myself to be the only one talking to you. You think about that.

[PsyberZombie]

Psyber, the problem is that no matter how to look at it, your post doesn't look like English, that's why Jackson banned you... Really you make a big mistake by assuming that my posts always have a point!

I'll bet it's news to Jackson that he 'banned' me

.... usually , when he bans some·one , they're not able to post here any·more

Oh , and THANKS for admitting that most of your Posts don't have a point =

That makes you a TROLL , & should get YOU banned under the "General B.S." category of Spam

[James D 2004]

Psyber, the problem is that no matter how to look at it, your post doesn't look like English, that's why Jackson banned you. Whereas for most people who doesn't read word by word, my post looks more like English the faster you read. And if you correct the grammar / spelling according to the previous rules that I don't bother, it's perfect English. Most important of all, know what is a brain storm? Really you make a big mistake by assuming that my posts always have a point! That's why when you couldn't find it you blame something.

[PsyberZombie]

Imagine that you write perfect English and someone is reading at 500 wpm and above 1000 wpm? What a waste! And what a waste are most of your Posts , James !!

So when writing English, I don't have the obstacle to write fast because I don't speak it 1st. My words can be very hard to read when my thought jumps fast just as flash backs. The Problem we all here have with you is we often can't tell exactly what point yer trying to make

By if you speed read my speed writing, there's not much difference compared to perfect English. It's well known that for speed reading, you can capture the same meaning even if all the words are jumbled up. 'Speed Reading' can't make Chicken Salad out of Chicken Shit , if you get my drift....

So if you are not up to it, you are welcome to give up reading my posts. Sometimes, I'm at a higher level of communication with some of you only.

Don't try to be "higher" than the rest of us , James... just make your points in language an average guy here can under·stand = is *that* too much to ask of a 'Genious' like you ???

[James D 2004]

Imagine that you write perfect English and someone is reading at 500 wpm and above 1000 wpm? What a waste!

This somehow explains my writings at times. In the brain storm mode you are thinking about bits and pieces, all fractions of a sec here and there. Just as that people instinctively try to speak every word when they read, people write what they speak. This is true for most languages, people write what they speak. So that slows you down when writing, just as speaking the words slow you down on reading.

I'm also blessed in this aspect. My mother tongue is just a dialect. The 1st language that I write isn't exactly what I speak. So I never write what I speak. It's not possible because there's no directly equivalent words or sounds. If I try it would be very bad writing.

So when writing English, I don't have the obstacle to write fast because I don't speak it 1st. My words can be very hard to read when my thought jumps fast just as flash backs.

By if you speed read my speed writing, there's not much difference compared to perfect English. It's well known that for speed reading, you can capture the same meaning even if all the words are jumbled up.

So if you are not up to it, you are welcome to give up reading my posts. Sometimes, I'm at a higher level of communication with some of you only.

[James D 2004]

The custom, and current EU guideline, is that reports in English use past tense, and reports in French use present tense. Can't you see the stupidity in this?

Don't you see we need a tense neutral verb form? So we can concentrate on what we do, rather than when that happened. Often the tense is obvious in the context, like reports. Without tense, we can emphasis the timeline like, I do it already, or I do it some time ago. In some languages, the verbs are invariant. 'Tense' is added by using adverb like words, others add the same word root to different verbs to indicate the same 'tense'.

I do, you will do, he do already - languages like this are formally called 'analytic' by linguists. Incidentally, I am an analytic person and do analysis for a living. I don't want to contaminate my brain by attempting to rewire it.

[James D 2004]

Esperanto is an artificially constructed language intended for international communication. This is the largest international language with broad estimates from 100,000 to millions of fluent speakers.

Linguist agreement is universally accepted to be redundant. In Esperanto verbs do not have singular and plural forms like I do, he does. But adjectives still have singular and plural forms as in French. In Ido, developed from Esperanto, the adjective agreements are further dropped.

I'm blessed with not having to think about redundant things in my brain, and I don't mind to keep it that way.

[James D 2004]

Before we go deeper into languages, we have to consider the other side of writing - reading. If you do a search on the web, there's lots of respectable courses on Speed Reading, for students and for corporations. Some schools offer it as a mandatory and tested subject within English.

In case somebody doesn't know, speed reading is more widespread than the number of courses suggest. One US president is well known for his reading speed. People naturally read fast in this information overload age. People who are well read usually read fast for some materials. People who read slow are lawyers and paper back supermarket romance novel readers. The former are constrained by their 'lawyer language'. If you do a fast reading on supermarket novels, you can figure out the story within 30 min, and that's a waste of money.

However, some courses are controversial aiming at very high speeds. Comprehension naturally drops when speed increases. It's all depend on what the aim is. Say if you are looking for something in a hay stack, or if you want to write a summary of a book, the reading speed can be very high. Think of watching a video in fast forward.

The basics of speed reading is not controversial but considered beneficial. The main technique is to turn audio mode into visual mode. By the way, there are two types of person, you know if you had any corporate training. Those prefer a map rather than directions are visual. And those couldn't read maps but can only following verbal directions are audio. Those who understand north south are visual, with a map in his mind. Those who only understand left right are audio.

Reading means render aloud, and also to grasp the meaning of written words. Render aloud is a big obstacle to speed reading. Most people naturally speak every word when reading, be it aloud or muted. Speaking is slow compared to scanning by the eye only. Also the brain can comprehend much faster than speaking. Speed reading is in a way pushing the brain.

The essence of speed reading is turning your eye into a scanner.

If the words in a sentence are all jumbled up, it looks pretty much the same to a speed reader at high speed, without losing any meaning.

Some people write as if they are writing a speech. They hardly practice speed reading and never expect others to read their words fast.

Speed reading also don't take sentences in isolation. From the context, it should be obvious when the action happens, in the past, present or future. It should be obvious what the numbers of object are - one, more than one, a few or a lot. If a whole passage relies on subtle tense and plural form to convey information, this is speed trap and are obstacles to comprehension, speed reading or not.

With wide spread spell checkers, my spelling actually degenerates as I don't look at the correct spelling anymore. I just agree to the correct spelling, and I pick the best 'looking' one if they gave me options.

With speed reading, I'm more capable of writing jumbled up passages. Firstly, it looks pretty much the same to me and to other speed readers. Proof reading my own work is impossible unless you pay me for the effort, as I already know the meaning within. Secondly, I'm not shy to capture my brain storm, which translates sequences of images into words, actions, connections.

How the brain works can be glimpsed by Spanglish, where English morph into Spanish seamlessly in the middle of a sentence, or vice versa. For me my sentence structure may change from say 1st person to 3rd person in the middle. Maybe I'm thinking of two eligible sentence structures and picked from each one at different times. All done sort of unconsciously. Even if I care a bit about grammar, my writing mode destroy any remainder of it.

[James D 2004]

Language constrains thought, that's what the SW Hypothesis is about, or at least influence thought in the weaker sense.

One should think outside the box, the box of language, or appreciate others who can.

Color is a good example. The name of colors doesn't match up across languages. This is hardly surprising as color variation is continuous. Though after many many years of cross cultural interactions, there are usually common translations between colors, borrowing words from within a language or outside the language, or using phrases or compound words. If your thinking is limited to the vocab of the language, your world is much less colorful.

Another example is 'He do.', following the discussions earlier. Someone pointed out that this is wrong English. What is interesting is that he argues that there are two possibilities of what the author intended. 1) He does. 2) They do. There is incomplete information.

That is English thinking. The other thinking is that 'does' is totally unnecessary as evidence in 'He did.' and 'They did.', so the only possibility is 1). There is complete information.

Once upon a time, a kid learned English as a 2nd language. He realized that 'does' is unnecessary and went on to design the most popular artificial international language today.

[James D 2004]

Layin, that makes 2 of you, primitive brain with limited life experiences.

[Layin Pipe]

The SP Hypothesis concerns with the assertion that language constrains thought. Conversely, Zombie showed us that his primitive brain and limited life experiences fail him in using language to accomplish the most basic tasks.

Vegas sucks big time as I've debated with the locals many time, and he thinks it's the Mecca of the sex industry. Any books about Vegas cannot be good and he thinks it's great. I can tell you that it's trash without reading any reviews. Trust me stupid.

Being called Theory of Prostitution, it cannot be confused with trying to redefine prostitution, and he did.

He can't argue so don't expect to hear from him again on these.

Even that his brain is primitive, it works the same as others, that direct recall of memory isn't the great thing about brains - a $1 hand held data bank is better at that. But human brain works great at parallel association. Such as that I know that we debated about my theory and you can follow that debate from the beginning, at the Social Science thread. But I'm dam sure that either he is retarded to bring it up again and again without knowing that he lost all arguments, or he is trying to tarnish my reputation by presenting his arguments again and again, hoping that nobody will follow through about how he lost all debates.

James "Genious" D 2004,

What part of PsyberZombie's reply didn't you understand???

Your brain may be retarding too! Your foolish discussion about my theory of prostitution can already be found in the Social Science of Prostitution thread. You lost all arguments there. Remember?

Uh..... there are only *two* posts in that Thread , James ; and BOTH of them are by YOU !!

Whose brain is 'retarding' again , 'Genious'

If you still don't get it, click here for the The Social Science of Prostitution thread. YOU were the only person to post in that thread. Maybe you're thinking of an imaginary debate you had with one of your "multiple" personalities??? You are so funny when you forget to take your meds!!!

Layin Pipe

[James D 2004]

The SW Hypothesis concerns with the assertion that language constrains thought. Conversely, Zombie showed us that his primitive brain and limited life experiences fail him in using language to accomplish the most basic tasks.

Vegas sucks big time as I've debated with the locals many time, and he thinks it's the Mecca of the sex industry. Any books about Vegas cannot be good and he thinks it's great. I can tell you that it's trash without reading any reviews. Trust me stupid.

Being called Theory of Prostitution, it cannot be confused with trying to redefine prostitution, and he did.

He can't argue so don't expect to hear from him again on these.

Even that his brain is primitive, it works the same as others, that direct recall of memory isn't the great thing about brains - a $1 hand held data bank is better at that. But human brain works great at parallel association. Such as that I know that we debated about my theory and you can follow that debate from the beginning, at the Social Science thread. But I'm dam sure that either he is retarded to bring it up again and again without knowing that he lost all arguments, or he is trying to tarnish my reputation by presenting his arguments again and again, hoping that nobody will follow through about how he lost all debates.