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**Mark Powers** · 11-11-23 15:13

Originally Posted by Bosnas [View Original Post]

Feds got what they wanted. Wire Fraud, Money Laundering from those three.

Soliciting in MA is Misdemeanor and $500-$1000 fine. They don't arrest you and throw you in jail for it. Even guys caught up in stings get detained and then released and then get a summons to the district court to answer to a Magistrate.

Despite what other fear mongers will say to get you riled up, a name on a list or a text message is circumstantial and flimsy and not enough to go after you. If you truly believe that it is. Go speak to a criminal defense lawyer. Many of them offer free consultations and they will tell you this. Don't voluntarily talk to law enforcement without a lawyer. The mongers they identified are the ones they caught leaving the apartments. They aren't going down a list calling people and asking them if they solicited for sex.

Not so sure about the no jail part. Here's what I found. Is there a source for it being just a fine?

(b) Whoever pays, agrees to pay or offers to pay another person to engage in sexual conduct, or to agree to engage in sexual conduct with another person, shall be punished by imprisonment in the house of correction for not more than 2 and one-half years or by a fine of not less than $1,000 and not more than $5,000, or by both such imprisonment and fine, whether such sexual conduct occurs or not.

https://malegislature.gov/Laws/Gener...272/Section53A

**DarkClouds** · 11-11-23 14:26

"Prosecutors love to go after high-level folks because they can make a name for themselves," Mr. Rahmani said.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...ohns-after-bu/

**Sounds** · 11-11-23 12:59

Originally Posted by SmileyRocks2 [View Original Post]

Sorry, I'm not understanding how BTT or any similar agency could be "spying" or getting their hands on government secrets.

It would be more like the following scenario. "Mr. Congressman, we have surveillance of you with one of our girls. Here is what you can do for us so it does not get sent to TMZ".

**SaintPolycarp** · 11-11-23 12:18

I am saying this utilizing my God-given rights under the US Constitution, specifically my inviolable freedom of speech / conscience / movement / expression. First, I personally didn't like Han Lee, et al (BTT group) due to their abusive manner of treating some of the girls that I've met from VA & NY. My basic attitude toward their arrest is "fuck them!" Yet still, HSI & MA LEAs recent investigation and the stupid local medias' recent reports are more abusive, they are very abusive and discriminatory! Just go to Erosdotcom or OnlyF or Trystdotlink. There are hundreds of White, Black, Brown, Russian (Chinese (Latina, Middle Eastern, Ukrainian, other European, Eurasian girls currently available in the fucking Commonwealth of Massachusetts! Why only the K-orgs were targeted? They aren't the largest sex trafficking ring, and there isn't a single witness of actual victim! New media is using some black sex trafficking survivor's story from decades ago for this situation, such an absurd anachronism! I believe this is truly fucking racism, a cultural discrimination, and the lack of understanding of the problem of intersectionality. I have no problem with shutting down BTT or the other orgs, fuck them all! Good job! However, if HSI & MA LEAs don't do anything about the other bigger & high-end commercial sex act agencies & providers in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, they are nothing but a bunch of vicious bigots! They only made the low quality local MILFs & their pimps happy!

**Bosnas** · 11-11-23 11:51

Originally Posted by Hakuran169 [View Original Post]

In your opinion, do you think this was the reason we didn't see much action from the other busts in the state? Not sure if it would fall into the same boat since the feds are involved but handled at the state level.

Feds got what they wanted. Wire Fraud, Money Laundering from those three.

Soliciting in MA is Misdemeanor and $500-$1000 fine. They don't arrest you and throw you in jail for it. Even guys caught up in stings get detained and then released and then get a summons to the district court to answer to a Magistrate.

Despite what other fear mongers will say to get you riled up, a name on a list or a text message is circumstantial and flimsy and not enough to go after you. If you truly believe that it is. Go speak to a criminal defense lawyer. Many of them offer free consultations and they will tell you this. Don't voluntarily talk to law enforcement without a lawyer. The mongers they identified are the ones they caught leaving the apartments. They aren't going down a list calling people and asking them if they solicited for sex.

**Admin2** · 11-11-23 11:12

A bunch of guys are asking to get their accounts deleted because of this. It's fucking stupid, after 20 years and 8 million posts not a single one has ever been used in anyway legally. Not for arrests, warrants, subpoena, nothing because when they ask us to authentic you guys (they don't even ask anymore) we only have one answer "how the fuck do we know." If we can't authenticate you that's it game over, look it up and then chill the fuck out.

A2

**Katokay** · 11-11-23 09:48

"But to throw all info to the wind and just shame folks? No. Too messy. Doesn't solve anything. Too much liability. Just ruining families for the sake of ruining families. " They think by shaming the customer the crime of sex slavery will be curtailed. They think having sex with slaves should have consequences.

**Katokay** · 11-11-23 09:24

I guess they could release the client list but I've talked with other mp girls and have been told some men, especially older, don't have sex. They pay for a massage a little intimacy but no sex. How can someone be charged if the sex act can't be proven? Releasing client list without charges shames but is it legal?

**Guillaume123** · 11-11-23 09:14

Originally Posted by Wockser [View Original Post]

Some folks use fake names and such and could really hurt if they blindly dismissed the info without ensuring every single name is credible. That could result in slander lawsuits for sure. If you're not being charged, they won't release any info at all. And as others have said, if you're not caught in the act, they can't really do a whole lot.

I dont even think the phone numbers and texts are enough. Unless they had a wire tap to their number which arent all encompassing. Truth is, deny deny deny. If anyone ever approaches you, deny. Even if they have your picture, deny. Even if they have you explicitly saying things, deny.

If youre a Joe Schmoe, they wont care. They already bagged the ring leaders. The site is down. They will probably handle some high profile guys if they want to set precedence and make an example. But to throw all info to the wind and just shame folks? No. Too messy. Doesnt solve anything. Too much liability. Just ruining families for the sake of ruining families.

Except the article by NBC show they have interviewed dozens of mongers from this bust and are interviewing more and gathering evidence. This is not just some high profile guys.

**Nrlmus** · 11-10-23 23:24

Originally Posted by HappyDave [View Original Post]

No one just leaves North Korea so if that was happening its a completely different situation. Every Korean AMP girl I ever met was from the south. I very often strike up a conversation with them after where they are from, whether they are local or from flushing. There may be a very different level between the apartment brothels and store front parlors. I only know the store fronts.

Originally Posted by Nrlmus [View Original Post]

I don't know man. One of the most popular providers of BTT used to tell me that BTT began hiring North Koreans after she left them. In fact one of the reasons she left them was because they would bring North Korean girls that would do anything. I mean that's what she told me and who am I to doubt her? Now the FEDs are saying that it's not only prostitution ring but a Chinese espionage ring and FEDs never embellish things as far as I know.

Originally Posted by KOF96 [View Original Post]

Can't tell if that last statement is supposed to be sarcastic, would you take the special agent's word based on his knowledge and expertise on M. Butterfly whorecraft? Changing the subject, if you do the math and say as many as 6 providers were servicing 10 johns a day over the course of nearly 3 years, day in day out, and that the surveillance apparently started from the agency's inception, that's a lot of moolah they allowed to be built up in order to seize (more than just used Corvette money). Like the Bellevue bust, that's really what it comes down to, puritanical proselytizing aside. I just wonder if they also shook the providers down like in WA, the affidavit makes them sound like afterthoughts for the most part despite the trafficking angle.

I can't believe that some people are taking the shit I say about North Korea seriously but I swear to God that my story about one of the, if not 'the', most popular former BTT providers trying to convince me to stop going to BTT because they began hiring North Koreans who all infected with jaundice are truth and nothing but the truth. I'm sure many could guess who I'm talking about too. LOL.

**Wockser** · 11-10-23 22:44

Originally Posted by Guillaume123 [View Original Post]

This bust is another proof that you should not give your personal info during screening. Glad I never went to any of these agencies that ask for so much info. Not the first time an agency or escort is busted and the clients info ends up with the cops.

Good news is that there is so many clients that most won't be charged though the cops could go demon mode and publicly release all the info which would be punishment enough.

Some folks use fake names and such and could really hurt if they blindly dismissed the info without ensuring every single name is credible. That could result in slander lawsuits for sure. If you're not being charged, they won't release any info at all. And as others have said, if you're not caught in the act, they can't really do a whole lot.

I don’t even think the phone numbers and texts are enough. Unless they had a wire tap to their number which aren’t all encompassing. Truth is, deny deny deny. If anyone ever approaches you, deny. Even if they have your picture, deny. Even if they have you explicitly saying things, deny.

If you’re a Joe Schmoe, they won’t care. They already bagged the ring leaders. The site is down. They will probably handle some high profile guys if they want to set precedence and make an example. But to throw all info to the wind and just shame folks? No. Too messy. Doesn’t solve anything. Too much liability. Just ruining families for the sake of ruining families.

**Joe1223** · 11-10-23 21:39

And to think just a few hours drive north paying a beautiful girl for sex is perfectly legal….#ocanada #mapleleafs

**Andir** · 11-10-23 20:17

Originally Posted by Hakuran169 [View Original Post]

Is there any insight on weather clients can be charged / have been charged in the past for busts like this. Does anyone think any mongers here would get hit if they have texts but not ID's?

Don't worry that much, man. You will be fine. Your boss is probably on the list too!

**Guillaume123** · 11-10-23 19:00

This bust is another proof that you should not give your personal info during screening. Glad I never went to any of these agencies that ask for so much info. Not the first time an agency or escort is busted and the clients info ends up with the cops.

Good news is that there is so many clients that most won't be charged though the cops could go demon mode and publicly release all the info which would be punishment enough.

**KOF96** · 11-10-23 17:56

Originally Posted by CCChunks [View Original Post]

My guess is this will turn into a political weapon, since the department on the left hand of the powers in charge must have some big people on the other side they want to take out. Maybe revenge for Eric Swallow OR figure our how to charge trump. LOL.

As the saying goes, no person is above the law--Eliot Spitzer's party affiliation didn't help him when he was charged, and the special agent in charge of this investigation also happens to be a registered Republican.