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[CityboysUp]

FWIW, events like this should steer us all away from these bigger multistate networks. I agree that "trafficking" is not really a good explanation of how they work, but at the end of the day they are overseeing women working in pretty exploitative conditions and raking in millions. I'd think we all might want to spend our hard earned dollars elsewhere, on indies in particular.

The problem is that it's hard to know which agencies are operated by one person across multiple state lines.

This case blew up as big as it did because:

1. The booker operated in multiple states which drew the attention of the Feds.

2. It sounds like some of the higher up clientele were extorted for more information. We don't know if this is necessarily true, it might just be a cover for why the Feds are involved.

3. The bookers were already on the radar because of the excessive amount of money they tried to launder.

4. The mongers they implicated were part of major public branches of government or part of the military.

The professions they listed in the affidavit are likely just the 20 people they got to give them information. They state that there are likely hundreds more customers that they don't know about which means they don't have the client list. Can they still get it? Yes. But is the list exposed? Not yet.

The mongers they have a case against gave up information voluntarily, likely under duress. Those people will probably get outed in one way or another even if they cooperate with the authorities because they have to be identified to testify. They screwed up, because even if they took plea bargains, if their names are made public, they will be identifiable by the public regardless of how reduced their charges may be. There's no reason to implicate yourself before you have sought out counsel.

[TheGodsDecree]

But if the names of clients are released, for the regular johns, like us, this will basically destroy families, and leave many without jobs and without friends. And then people will forget and we will remain fucked for many years to come to find a new job and keep our lives going. Also, this will never stop. People will find new ways to keep buying sex. The women in this Korg were not there against their will, they needed money to survive. From what I can see, feds already got what they wanted -- the three mother fuckers involved in the ring not paying taxes and money laundering. While LE were looking at the trash for condoms full of cum, more important things were happening in the country like gun violence, real human trafficking, murders, political corruption, women possibly underage gangbanged online by 6 men on * etc.

The fate of the list is on the hands of MA and VA government, and the fucking press is not helping. They just want to expose names because it brings readers so that they profit from the bunch of advertisement on their poor shitty work as journalists. Nowadays the journalism is so shitty, that they have to rely on this shit to survive.

Finally, it's unbelievable how every time this happens people assume that all sex workers are victims. Do people really read books or resources about this fucking matter at all? And don't get me wrong, human trafficking exists and is real but it is also true some men and women work as sex workers because they want to work on that. So what? We are accepting people identifying however the fuck they want to, why can't we accept and respect those who work as sex workers? Fuck this shit.

Good luck to everyone, this is getting to my nerves, but we have to wait and possibly talk to criminal lawyers to understand how fucked is if your name appears in such a list.

[MosesBlackk]

Reply to the poster below who wrote a great post. First, I also was never of a member of these agencies and would steer clear of any sort of operation or provider who asked for verification and personal information. It's just bad policy to give this information and leave a digital footprint behind, since it can easily fall into the wrong hands. I agree with Kashkai that at least some client information will be leaked. Most likely from political pressure from activists. I personally find real human trafficking abhorrent (the real kind, not where the government slaps that label on it to have charges stick) Of course if a provider is doing things through her own free will, I have no issues with that, I'm on this site after all.

Another red flag is when you have agencies that have almost 100% foreign women like Asians or Brazilians. These women have a higher chance of being legit trafficked because in most cases in their own countries nobody gives a shit. This in turn gives LE more resources and motivation to bust them. That's a reason I've also avoided the tons of Brazilian agencies operating in Massachusetts because I suspect some are being pimped or trafficked. In fact, I am almost near sure of it and it's a matter of time.

So for the guys with anxiety what do you do? First lawyer up ASAP. Regarding a data dump ala Robert Craft or Ashley Madison, the good news is in this fast paced internet world data becomes old quick. Most people do not go past the first page on a google search and after some time it will be forgotten and you can use services to boost your internet cred so to speak.

Again, I hope that they do not list any names, but they might. I think they will stick to the bigger targets or people the state has a grudge against. I don't know. The flip side of the coin is if some high ranking politician is on the list he may try to pull strings to stop its release. But overall, remember this too shall pass and in a 6 months, 1 year, or a few years nobody will even be thinking much of it anymore.

Lastly, the laws must be changed. If a women wants to do this to make extra money out of her own free will, she should have every right to do so.

[Bosnas]

A couple of thoughts on BTT. I was never a client of BTT, you can look thru my prior posts for my reasons but TL / DR as with many others I wouldn't trust strangers with info that can be so damaging. As with prior busts, what comes out shows that they were careless with personal info and it was very easy for LE to get client lists etc. So the I'd requirement puts all the risk on the client with little advantage.

I feel for those who are reading the articles with anxiety, it must suck. I don't want to raise the level of worry unreasonably but the handling of this case seems to have a different tone from others. With earlier similar busts there was not so much discussion of the clients, such as the professions they come from and so on. In this one we can see a ramping up of LE and prosecutor talk about the need to make the clients share the pain. My guess is that they may be developing certain targeted cases as examples that they have gathered enough evidence for more charges than have been announced. It could be that they have cooperation from a provider, or even more than one. What we know is that the feds' takedown was more sophisticated than usual. They could have brought charges much earlier and with much less evidence than they seem to have gathered here. The question that seems hard to answer is why they didn't close it down right away? They were monitoring the apartments for a full year. What was that for? It's a lot of resources to throw at a single prostitution operation..

There is ALWAYS theatrics involved in cases like this. They always throw 'TRAFFICKING' into the headlines because it's sexy and gets attention. If you follow every case such as this, it goes away quietly. The US Attorney is part politician. Remember that.

For what it's worth there have been only 13 charges of solicitation in Middlesex County since 2018 to June of this year (https://www.bostonglobe.com/2023/11/.../?p1=StaffPage).

I'm not saying there isn't an inherent risk to doing something like this. I'm just saying based on current Federal and State law and knowing how the system operates. It's still on the State to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that you did this and that is incredibly difficult when all you have is a name on a list and a text (both things which can be easily faked). As show by the fact that one of the people got leases with fake ID's and bank statements.

They went out of their way to name professions without naming people because they still need to prove that people did these things, there's no slander in naming a profession.

I'll tell you a hypothetical story and draw whatever conclusions you will. Back in the BAD days, someone was stopped after leaving the apartment. Cops did their routine of 'We know more than we think we do' routine of trying to get a person to talk. Person STFU and said nothing, later they were called to come down to the station for to answer questions. Said person declined and said 'talk to my lawyer' then proceeded to get subpoenaed to testify in front of a grand jury. Lawyer did their job and said, unless my client gets a deal they are going to plead the 5th. AUSA then withdrew the subpoena because it was a waste of time.

Nothing happened to this person. BAD got busted, same MO and same headlines you are seeing now.

There is no federal provision that prosecutes state level offenses such as this. Even if you read of novel untested methods in news articles that sensationalize this, there is no precedent. It's still a state level action and at best if you have shitty luck a MISDEMENOR which rarely gets prosecuted.

But if you feel like you have exposure, consult with a criminal defense attorney, the majority of them offer free consultations.

[KashkaiBoy]

A couple of thoughts on BTT. I was never a client of BTT, you can look thru my prior posts for my reasons but TL / DR as with many others I wouldn't trust strangers with info that can be so damaging. As with prior busts, what comes out shows that they were careless with personal info and it was very easy for LE to get client lists etc. So the I'd requirement puts all the risk on the client with little advantage.

I feel for those who are reading the articles with anxiety, it must suck. I don't want to raise the level of worry unreasonably but the handling of this case seems to have a different tone from others. With earlier similar busts there was not so much discussion of the clients, such as the professions they come from and so on. In this one we can see a ramping up of LE and prosecutor talk about the need to make the clients share the pain. My guess is that they may be developing certain targeted cases as examples that they have gathered enough evidence for more charges than have been announced. It could be that they have cooperation from a provider, or even more than one. What we know is that the feds' takedown was more sophisticated than usual. They could have brought charges much earlier and with much less evidence than they seem to have gathered here. The question that seems hard to answer is why they didn't close it down right away? They were monitoring the apartments for a full year. What was that for? It's a lot of resources to throw at a single prostitution operation.

So yeah, no reason to flee to Brazil perhaps, but I think if you feel exposed and if there is even a chance that you could be the kind of client that could be targeted, maybe get a lawyer ready. Some of the reports talk about a monthly membership set-up. I'm no expert but again if you were more than an occasional client you'll have to expect that the feds were tracking your use of BTT services and that might expose you legally. At least you might be worried that a reporter or activist manages to get a leaked copy of client names or phone numbers etc. It wouldn't be the first time.

I'm not trying to stir the pot here, but I think that just saying it will go away and to deny deny, etc. , isn't the best advice now. I'd take reasonable measures to be protected in case of either a leak or in case of further charges against clients.

FWIW, events like this should steer us all away from these bigger multistate networks. I agree that "trafficking" is not really a good explanation of how they work, but at the end of the day they are overseeing women working in pretty exploitative conditions and raking in millions. I'd think we all might want to spend our hard earned dollars elsewhere, on indies in particular.

[Viger99]

XOC and BEG / BTT shared many similarities. Multiple girls on tour at multiple cities at the same time. Girls from eastern part of Europe vs eastern part of Asia. Good value for the consistent to impressive level of service and quality. Reliable to SOTA booking process. Some girls do multiple repeated tours and some do one or two tours and are never seen again. Some are university graduates and regional athletes. And to top it all, some girls are good enough to have worked as models or singers, and this is their best option to earn good money quickly. Never was there any hints that any of them are compelled into this line of work by "force, fraud or coercion," the essential elements of legal trafficking. May both XOC and BEG / BTT rest in peace.

[ThizzleHats]

Half the people don't realize you're making a joke and they are now asking me in fucking droves to delete their fucking accounts.

A2

Trying to delete your USAG account is probably the most pointless thing you could do, especially at this point.

Really only thing you could do now is chuck your phone in the river. That probably has the most damning evidence on it.

I never visited BTT but I did text them, and I think I'll be getting a new phone and number, just in case. Cheap insurance.

[Corrado58]

This is so true. The high end guys like that don't get that going to Fitchburg and banging Kathy bareback in the ass is safer than giving their drivers license and LinkedIn account is far more dangerous.

I hear thee, LB.

[Nrlmus]

People: we always take chances here, always, the world over. We could get robbed, drugged, even murdered anywhere we go but here in the ol'gud' US of A we could also get arrested and have your identity splashed all over the internet. You can get busted while picking up on the street or doing a car date even at your utmost secret spot (chances are cops know her wherever they approach you), or while walking in or being with an escort whether in the hotel room or at her private hosting location, probably even if you host yourself, especially if you host in the hotel.

So the idea that people would take my rant seriously, about me talking to the investigators and you needing to get yourself to Brazil (maybe I should've said Mars for better clarity?) never entered my mind. Sorry I overestimated my power for projecting facetiousness.

One thing however that diminishes risk for all of us, hobbyists, is this forum. Here we exchange information, whether out in the open or via DM, so at least we usually don't go in completely blind. Here we could research the poster to size up his trustworthiness. TER is much more iffy in this regard ime, because on TER you could research the reviews but it's much harder to size up posters. I forgot how many times I've been offered rewards for good TER reviews by both indies and agencies. Never took them up on it but I'm sure that there are plenty of those that did.

It's much harder to do it here because posters mostly open up not when they write reviews but when they're involved in more casual conversations, like what I am doing now. I don't think I'd embellish when I'd claim that I know more about this than 99.9% of people that post here (on TER). The old timers might remember me practically becoming a gate keeper for Marie (currently retired) and what it would take for anyone to get their hands on her contact info? Oh yea, it was involved. The only iffy situations I got myself into from time to time when deciding yey or nay on sharing her phone# was few times I did it on TER. Never here.

So if you're not intelligent enough to understand that leaving this site due to another Fed's bust of some Asian escort service would only increase your risk. You'd be really taking your safety into your own hands. It wouldn't be very smart of you. Eff A2 and his nagging and threatening but my advice. Don't do it!

[MosesBlackk]

Generalizing here. Elite, high earning professionals aren't mongerers like most of us. No way they venture into Fburg to some den. Naivet leads them to believe that there is credibility, legitimacy, protection for them in furnishing this info. They won't do the groundwork for searches, not enough hrs in the day. Also, there is a sense of impunity, immunity among the elite. Bad things happen to other people. Could apply to good looking people, too. What do I know!

Good take. They are used to working in a system where things are verified. If you give them the illusion of that they'll just fall for it hook, like, and sinker. Kind of like how some of the easiest people to con are these guys, but try conning guys who grew up in the hood. The impunity take is also correct, because of their powerful positions they think they are able to get away with anything.

[LustyB]

Generalizing here. Elite, high earning professionals aren't mongerers like most of us. No way they venture into Fburg to some den. Naivet leads them to believe that there is credibility, legitimacy, protection for them in furnishing this info. They won't do the groundwork for searches, not enough hrs in the day. Also, there is a sense of impunity, immunity among the elite. Bad things happen to other people. Could apply to good looking people, too. What do I know!

This is so true. The high end guys like that don't get that going to Fitchburg and banging Kathy bareback in the ass is safer than giving their drivers license and LinkedIn account is far more dangerous.

[KalvinHobbs]

Why why why would you give any hooker or agency you're real information? There are plenty of girls who will fuck you not caring who you are. For all these 'high level' people in this bust like politicians doctors and executives, they sure lack any sort of common sense.

Probably for most people, its for the better experience. Korg seems to have a good reputation for being more service oriented compared to the corgs and other free lancers. At least that's how it is in west coast. Read a lot of the recent posts here and there's been bust in the past and nothing came of it, for clients. As for the 'high level' people, yea idiots, with their profession I wouldn't have dive into the korg world.

[Corrado58]

Yes, I sure understand and I seriously didn't expect this. Do you think it's something post-pandemic or just a natural state of things?

Nr, don't beat yourself up. It's just a highly sensitive climate now. Others have done the same, they just couched their commentary differently. And created more work for Admin.

[Corrado58]

Why why why would you give any hooker or agency you're real information? There are plenty of girls who will fuck you not caring who you are. For all these 'high level' people in this bust like politicians doctors and executives, they sure lack any sort of common sense.

Generalizing here. Elite, high earning professionals aren't mongerers like most of us. No way they venture into Fburg to some den. Naiveté leads them to believe that there is credibility, legitimacy, protection for them in furnishing this info. They won't do the groundwork for searches, not enough hrs in the day. Also, there is a sense of impunity, immunity among the elite. Bad things happen to other people. Could apply to good looking people, too. What do I know!

[MosesBlackk]

This bust is another proof that you should not give your personal info during screening. Glad I never went to any of these agencies that ask for so much info. Not the first time an agency or escort is busted and the clients info ends up with the cops.

Good news is that there is so many clients that most won't be charged though the cops could go demon mode and publicly release all the info which would be punishment enough.

Why why why would you give any hooker or agency you're real information? There are plenty of girls who will fuck you not caring who you are. For all these 'high level' people in this bust like politicians doctors and executives, they sure lack any sort of common sense.