Corona virus

**FleshPrince** · 03-30-20 09:21

Originally Posted by HiPickle [View Original Post]

Probably a rehash, but it's contrary to the current media driven outlook. Yes. 30 April, 💯 quarantine, check the temperature of what it does. I'm ok with that. Somewhat. My thought is still overreaction. Quarantine is seperaring victim and potential victims from the population. That is, infected and those that would suffer most from infection. Not a broad 💯 everyone. Unless your "Essential". I have a feeling some of those essential workers may be subject to severe reaction should they contract the virus. There should actually be logic put into a true quarantine. This is more like a government driven virtue signal.

I am curious- when you say "contrary to the current media driven outlook", what do you mean? That the media is driving the outlook that is causing the govt to react to? And that is driving what you see as an overreaction?

And more specifically, WHAT media are you referring to? Please clarify.

**Drake678** · 03-30-20 07:33

COVID-19 got everyone in fear. Fear of not getting the supplies or food they need at the store and into panic buying. Seniors sometimes miss out. Now the got special seniors hours at certain stores.

I was in one long ass line today at 7:45 AM. The grocery store opens at 8:00 AM. I was all the way in the back of the line. Second to last.

A young man came from the parking lot and tried to cut in the front of the line, but an old lady beat him back into the parking lot with her cane.

I took out my cellphone to film this.

The young man came back and tried to cut in the front of the line again. This time an old man punched him in the gut, then kicked him to the ground and rolled him back into the parking lot.

Beat up. The young man approached the line for the third time and said, "If you don't let me unlock the door and open the store you will never get in there by 8:00 AM.”

**HiPickle** · 03-30-20 04:44

Originally Posted by Incogfilipino [View Original Post]

Only two states left that have not reported a death from this, Hawaii is one of them. That will probably change in the coming days.

As far as that article HiPickle posted, I would agree with FleshPrince that it is a rehash of a (very common) line of thinking that being freaked out about the virus is not worth the economic hardship. At this point though, with both Federal and State powers stepping in, there really isn't any choice right now but to wait for this thing to slow down and blow over. A lot of what we are going through is self inflicted, just think about people hoarding TP and other people having none right now. Tragedy of the commons situation. The economy is the same, with companies doing stock buybacks and not having money to pay employees, other situations. Even with the significant economic downturn, I think a temporary halt just to slow this down and get it to a manageable point is a good idea. Can't make money if everyone is sick and in hospitals and scared to go to work. The economy will recover fine from this, we were due for a correction anyway, but it's not like our resources got destroyed or we went bankrupt or whatever, people just don't want to get sick. Things will surge again once we are over the hump.

Probably a rehash, but it's contrary to the current media driven outlook. Yes. 30 April, 💯 quarantine, check the temperature of what it does. I'm ok with that. Somewhat. My thought is still overreaction. Quarantine is seperaring victim and potential victims from the population. That is, infected and those that would suffer most from infection. Not a broad 💯 everyone. Unless your "Essential". I have a feeling some of those essential workers may be subject to severe reaction should they contract the virus. There should actually be logic put into a true quarantine. This is more like a government driven virtue signal.

**HiPickle** · 03-30-20 04:23

Originally Posted by TheSpius19 [View Original Post]

167 in Hawaii now, MAGAMAGAMAGA.

But it's "just one guy coming over from China. " I'm sure "it'll be down to zero in no time. ".

You trolls aren't amusing anymore. You're dangerously stupid.

Oh, yeah. And I'm a lifetime Republican, Army combat vet with tours in Afghanistan and Iraq. So yeah, sure. I'm a snowflake.

Meanwhile you've got your head buried so deeply in the sand that I'm praying for your family because your idiocy is going to put them in the hospital.

Iraq and Afghanistan 23 years retired. Funny, you sound more like a snowflake to me. Also, as I mentioned I'm not out licking faces in public I'm home like I was in my RLB in KAF, all self quarantined. I'm simply posting my thoughts while you piss your panties in some unknown yet unreasonable rage at my post. 🤙. You must have been a fobbit. 🤣

**Incogfilipino** · 03-30-20 02:24

Only two states left that have not reported a death from this, Hawaii is one of them. That will probably change in the coming days.

As far as that article HiPickle posted, I would agree with FleshPrince that it is a rehash of a (very common) line of thinking that being freaked out about the virus is not worth the economic hardship. At this point though, with both Federal and State powers stepping in, there really isn't any choice right now but to wait for this thing to slow down and blow over. A lot of what we are going through is self inflicted, just think about people hoarding TP and other people having none right now. Tragedy of the commons situation. The economy is the same, with companies doing stock buybacks and not having money to pay employees, other situations. Even with the significant economic downturn, I think a temporary halt just to slow this down and get it to a manageable point is a good idea. Can't make money if everyone is sick and in hospitals and scared to go to work. The economy will recover fine from this, we were due for a correction anyway, but it's not like our resources got destroyed or we went bankrupt or whatever, people just don't want to get sick. Things will surge again once we are over the hump.

**FleshPrince** · 03-30-20 00:38

Originally Posted by HiPickle [View Original Post]

https://www.pensford.com/why-flatten...IcSN-hLlq5Ue3I

The writer says that until he is convinced that the probability of mortality is outside the normal realm of expected pandemic outcomes, he thinks that the measures taken are an overreaction. In other words he would rather take his chances and advocates business as usual because the economic loss is too great.

I have two issues with that logic. One, by the time he is convinced the pandemic outcome is worse than "normal", it would be too late to take mitigating steps. It would mean that the death total and rate would have exceeded historical pandemics to the extent that he is finally convinced. What would be the chances of stopping the outbreak at that point? Slim to none?

Two, since the covid19 mortality rate is extremely weighted towards the elderly and compromised, even if the overall rate is close to other pandemics, if no measures were taken and the virus was allowed to go unchecked thru the population, there would be a massively disproportionate amount of deaths of people in those categories.

In his final takeaways at the conclusion his article, he states that the potential deaths are part of life and that it could be his time or a loved one to die but that is normal and shouldn't be the reason for huge economic loss. That is a point for debate, but since he frequently referred to his Mom in the article and how she thinks he is being insensitive to the fact that his line of thinking would result in deaths, it struck me that his guy is pretty callous. Like someone else posted, you wonder how biased his opinions are, given that he is writing for a Pensford Financial newsletter.

**TheSpius19** · 03-29-20 23:31

Originally Posted by HiPickle [View Original Post]

Zero deaths in Hawaii still.
I can tell you swallow lots of CNN.
Just waiting for the zombies apocalypse.

Snowflake. 😉.

167 in Hawaii now, MAGAMAGAMAGA.

But it's "just one guy coming over from China. " I'm sure "it'll be down to zero in no time. ".

You trolls aren't amusing anymore. You're dangerously stupid.

Oh, yeah. And I'm a lifetime Republican, Army combat vet with tours in Afghanistan and Iraq. So yeah, sure. I'm a snowflake.

Meanwhile you've got your head buried so deeply in the sand that I'm praying for your family because your idiocy is going to put them in the hospital.

**HiPickle** · 03-29-20 22:09

Originally Posted by FleshPrince [View Original Post]

Do you think that all of his conclusive opinions are valid?

You're not going to kill the virus. It will always be here mutating away. You can read some rebuttles as there are, but he has a point.

**FleshPrince** · 03-29-20 21:34

Originally Posted by HiPickle [View Original Post]

https://www.pensford.com/why-flatten...IcSN-hLlq5Ue3I

Do you think that all of his conclusive opinions are valid?

**NerdFriday** · 03-29-20 18:20

Originally Posted by Wn5912 [View Original Post]

Nerd, wrong. Popo will stop you without probable cause or suspicion. Random, I was stopped just driving along my usual route to work. Showed my Mil I'd and dod letter and was good to go. Was reminded of 5 k fine and jail if violated.

I'm sure they can't do that. You were probably pulled over for a traffic infraction. Lots of people are speeding and running stop signs apparently. In fact, an official statement by HPD is that they are NOT pulling people over randomly and they are NOT requesting "proof" of travel.

Also, the fine is not 5 k and jail, it's "up to 5 k, or jail, or both". My friend got pulled over in Waikiki and got a ticket for $1,000. $500 for each adult passenger in excess of 1. Because there were 3 adults in the car, it was enough for a Terry stop.

**HappyTug** · 03-29-20 18:00

Asked about this with our in house attorney and he stated that the current stay at home order by the state and C&C of Honolulu is considered to be probable cause if you are out and about on the road, as everyone not at home could be considered to be suspected of not following the law.

DOD I'd / CAC card holders need to be careful as well, because showing it to HPD when pulled over, only gives you the right to go to and from work ONLY. If you are caught, arrested, and prosecuted using it fraudulently, your commander can levy whatever administrative punishment he / she feels appropriate (within the DOD table of penalties or UCMJ) and if convicted of a crime, you could lose your security clearance and ultimately your job. Not worth it, just follow the rules for everyone's sake.

Originally Posted by Wn5912 [View Original Post]

Nerd, wrong. Popo will stop you without probable cause or suspicion. Random, I was stopped just driving along my usual route to work. Showed my Mil I'd and dod letter and was good to go. Was reminded of 5 k fine and jail if violated.

**RickestRick** · 03-29-20 16:15

Originally Posted by NerdFriday [View Original Post]

I'm pretty sure they still need "reasonable suspicion" and "probable cause" apply to traffic stops. I don't think observing one person in a car is enough for a Terry stop. You'd have to have multiple people in the car, at least; or commit a traffic violation.

Even then, you could just say you're going over to help your hanai aunty buy groceries because her kids are pieces of shit. Sound mad and it's believable.

*I'm not an attorney. Anything I've written here is in response to a writing prompt submitted by another user and should not be considered legal advice. *.

I spoke with a friend who works LE regarding these random traffic stops / citations and apparently they were spoken to by their higher ups (too many complaints to commissions office) regarding random traffic stops and were told to cease because it's unethical and a violation of our civil rights. Technically if you get pulled over by LE while driving and deemed random it's fight-able. What's not fight-able is if it's for an actually traffic citation ie: speeding, expired tags, etc and they find out you are not an essential worker or you punk yourself off without an alibi or reason for being out, they can cite you for $5000.

**PowerTrip2** · 03-29-20 16:13

Originally Posted by HiPickle [View Original Post]

https://www.pensford.com/why-flatten...IcSN-hLlq5Ue3I

Yeah, I'm sure Pensford Financial is an unbiased source for this topic. Surely they value human life over their bottom line.

**Little Dickie** · 03-29-20 14:37

Originally Posted by BaldEagle444 [View Original Post]

Hey guys, I have been trying to be safe and make my own food but I get tired of cooking. It looks like Central Pacipic Bank is offering to pay for half of food pick-ups to boost local economy using social media.

https://www.khon2.com/coronavirus/ce...-of-your-meal/

Highly recommend hot food items only. After pick up please hit up for sufficient time in the microwaves to kill the virus. You may die from free puss, not from the food.

I'll pay full price, or cook at home. I'm not posting pics on social media of the food I bought just so a bank can pay for half of it.