Corona virus

[Blake123]

Sorry to hear that you caught Covid despite completing the CDC recommended vaccination protocol. Yes it is well know that one can still become sick even after completing the series. TBS it is also recognized that the severity and length of your COVID-19 illness and the need for a hospital stay is greatly reduced if vaccinated. There will always be individual variation in protection provided by vaccination. However there are additional technics well known to all of us that one can utilize to mitigate getting sick. I truly understand your frustration. Just continue to Stay Safe.

Thanks for your response. My bout with Covid lasted about two weeks--not really that bad, just an annoyance. I'd like to believe that the vaccine treatments kept me out of the hospital.

I managed to dodge Covid prior to this, and I never just stayed at home. So, I'm guessing I caught it because this latest variant is particularly nasty or it's because I was mingling with people not wearing masks--myself included. I do believe it is the latter.

[LargeRocket69]

Which means she is older than 50?

Isn't she? She's good looking for her age but I always thought she looked late 40's at the the youngest but always assumed at least early 50's looking.

[MakaKiller]

This vaccinated vs non-vaccinated status is pretty much meaningless, IMO. It doesn't matter if you are vaccinated or not; you can still catch Covid. I know firsthand because I'm vaccinated with two boosters and still caught Covid.

Sorry to hear that you caught Covid despite completing the CDC recommended vaccination protocol. Yes it is well know that one can still become sick even after completing the series. TBS it is also recognized that the severity and length of your COVID-19 illness and the need for a hospital stay is greatly reduced if vaccinated. There will always be individual variation in protection provided by vaccination. However there are additional technics well known to all of us that one can utilize to mitigate getting sick. I truly understand your frustration. Just continue to Stay Safe.

[Blake123]

Given the overall subject of this forum, have any of you who have declined to be vaccinated ever told a provider or AMP worker that you are not vaccinated at all? If so, I wonder whether they decided to go forward with their providing of service.

This vaccinated vs non-vaccinated status is pretty much meaningless, IMO. It doesn't matter if you are vaccinated or not; you can still catch Covid. I know firsthand because I'm vaccinated with two boosters and still caught Covid.

[ClaraForever]

I don't understand why you would need to tell anyone except your health care provider about your vaccinations especially about the Covid vaccine. If I get vaccinated for hepatitis B which is spread by sexual contact it will prevent me from catching it but it doesn't do anything to prevent my provider from catching it from somebody else.

Covid vaccine doesn't even do that. It won't prevent me or anyone else from catching Covid. From what I understand, it is now advertised as making the symptoms less serious. So now this vaccine will let the vaccinated be asymptomatic spreaders of Covid which is bad for the unvaccinated.

The only provider that has ever brought up vaccines to me has been Yuna, and that is probably because she is the only provider that I have ever repeated with more than 100 times and she knows me very well now. I don't think she would say anything to me about vaccines if I didn't see her so often. She has been double boosted but I am probably going to stop getting my booster shots for now as I get some side effects that I don't want to go through again. Yuna did bring up to me about her hepatitis A and B vaccinations and It made sense for me to get those vaccines too as an active monger.

From what I have read now, Covid probably came from an accidental release from a research project at the Wuhan lab that was being paid for by the US Government with oversight being provided by Dr Fauci. Kind of makes sense about why our government is very concerned about this virus that Dr Fauci and our government have created.

Which means she is older than 50?

[Me Cook]

Given the overall subject of this forum, have any of you who have declined to be vaccinated ever told a provider or AMP worker that you are not vaccinated at all? If so, I wonder whether they decided to go forward with their providing of service.

I don't understand why you would need to tell anyone except your health care provider about your vaccinations especially about the Covid vaccine. If I get vaccinated for hepatitis B which is spread by sexual contact it will prevent me from catching it but it doesn't do anything to prevent my provider from catching it from somebody else.

Covid vaccine doesn't even do that. It won't prevent me or anyone else from catching Covid. From what I understand, it is now advertised as making the symptoms less serious. So now this vaccine will let the vaccinated be asymptomatic spreaders of Covid which is bad for the unvaccinated.

The only provider that has ever brought up vaccines to me has been Yuna, and that is probably because she is the only provider that I have ever repeated with more than 100 times and she knows me very well now. I don't think she would say anything to me about vaccines if I didn't see her so often. She has been double boosted but I am probably going to stop getting my booster shots for now as I get some side effects that I don't want to go through again. Yuna did bring up to me about her hepatitis A and B vaccinations and It made sense for me to get those vaccines too as an active monger.

From what I have read now, Covid probably came from an accidental release from a research project at the Wuhan lab that was being paid for by the US Government with oversight being provided by Dr Fauci. Kind of makes sense about why our government is very concerned about this virus that Dr Fauci and our government have created.

[T6650]

Given the overall subject of this forum, have any of you who have declined to be vaccinated ever told a provider or AMP worker that you are not vaccinated at all? If so, I wonder whether they decided to go forward with their providing of service.

[AustinRamos1]

164 possible cases out of over 11 billion doses given. 75% of the possible cases were women and 1/3 of the total were healthcare workers. Cases occurred one day after shot was administered. This likely has very little to do with the vaccine and even if it does, I anecdotally know people who died from covid and some younger (unvaccinated) people who suffer from long covid. Personally, I'll take my chances with the vaccine. That's my cost-benefit analysis but to each his own, my friend.

To each his own, 100%. But let's be clear that your statement held serious bias. I will tell you that I am vaccinated and boosted and understand that the actual reason for the vaccine is to mitigate / attenuate the severity of the disease. It does not prevent you from contracting the disease, simply makes it so that the one receiving said vaccination has a higher likelihood of surviving and not developing as bad of symptoms should one not be vaccinated. There is literally NO report to suggest otherwise. I will wait while you check the CDC, WHI, and Pfizer's direct website. Absolutely no claim outside of attenuation. They offer a break down of mRNA processes versus traditional weakened / dead vaccine processes. All of this is public information. When they say do your research, they mean look the infor up via CDC, who (which routes back to CDC or Pfizer on some links), and manufacturer's website direct. Similar to MSDS sheet, al vaccines have a data sheet detailing what it is comprised of. What's more, the manufacturer goes into detail the process in which the vaccine works. I implore all to do there own research first and if you decide to not get vaccinated then that is 100% your informed decision! No one else's but yours. And that fine. Do won't push you one way or the other on vaccination or not. But I will push you toward the information so you can make an informed decision, one way or the other.

[Surf69]

What is going on with the WHO saying that Covid 19 vaccines maybe causing hearing loss?

164 possible cases out of over 11 billion doses given. 75% of the possible cases were women and 1/3 of the total were healthcare workers. Cases occurred one day after shot was administered. This likely has very little to do with the vaccine and even if it does, I anecdotally know people who died from covid and some younger (unvaccinated) people who suffer from long covid. Personally, I'll take my chances with the vaccine. That's my cost-benefit analysis but to each his own, my friend.

[Me Cook]

What is going on with the WHO saying that Covid 19 vaccines maybe causing hearing loss?

[OldDickie]

Purpose for getting the COVID vaccine:

1. Getting vaccinated against COVID-19 can lower your risk of getting and spreading the virus that causes COVID-19. Vaccines can also help prevent serious illness and death.
2. All steps have been taken to ensure that vaccines are safe and effective for people ages 5 years and older.
3. If you already had COVID-19, you should still get a COVID-19 vaccine for added protection.
4. When you are up to date on COVID-19 vaccination, you can resume many activities with proper precautions (e. G. , mask wearing in indoor public spaces).
Key words and phrases: lower your risk; help prevent serious; proven safe and effective; added protection; resume many activities with proper precautions.

The CDC conveniently changed their definition of "vaccine" so these Covid shots would qualify, even though they are not vaccines.

Key wording changes:

Pre-2015 "Prevents a disease".

2015 "Produces immunity".

Sept 2021 "Provides protection:

So, these shots do not prevent COVID or produce immunity. Yet they are calling them vaccines.

May this explains why do many people are getting the shot and still getting COVID.

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[HiPickle]

I was assigned to several Air Force combat mobile Communication units for over 10 years and constantly trained in Bio-chemical warfare and know how to utilize different conditions in such an environment up to full suit ups. COVID-19 is a bio-weapon and highly contagious even more so than chemical ones including Anthrax spores. It fits into the micron category and only KN95 or N95 and higher graded masks can actually filter out this virus. The cloth ones or surgical ones do not, the virus will easily pass through them. If the vast majority of those who are unvaccinated and does take precautions by wearing these masks and are tested regularly, then fine. But most are not and go around risking exposure not just for themselves but also can spread it to others including those who are vaccinated. The ones who are vaccinated and somehow gets infected are less prone to spread it because the antibodies are already fighting and knocking down the intensity of the virus in contrast to those who are unvaccinated and become infected with the full force of the virus and the body is responding not reacting in contrast to those who already been vaccinated. This is the biggest difference and statistics shows clearly that the most venerable, those in the older age group with preconditions have a high rate of dying if they are unvaccinated verses those who are. Also just look at the numbers on the last surge to the ICU units, the vast majority was from unvaccinated people who clogged the hospitals resulting in patients who needed surgery or other treatment being turned away because of the unvaccinated flooding the available bed spaces in the hospitals. This is not what I'll call "compassion" ones who refused the free vaccinations and now get sick pushing others to the back of the line. I got no respect for these ignorant ones.

Oof, I was army 23 years and NBC course trained, BFD, also had my Anthrax series crap.
I'm well aware of how contagious coronavirus is, just like influenza virus. I also know that all the face diapers people wear are pretty much worthless unless it's kn95, enen then, nobody wears them in close proximity with close family and friends, the main way people get infected. Contrary to the narrative, your not catching it as you walk on by people on the sidewalk, contact tracers use close proximity for at least 15 minutes. The unvaccinated weren't "Clogging" the hospitals. A whopping 20% of Hawaii hospital ICUs were COVID-19 related during that hype. Those who've had covid, like me and 180 million others plus are now immune. Even though the CDC cherry picks its studies politically and uses some Kentucky study of 246 case patients to make the claim vaxxed are less likely to reinfect, vs the Israeli study of 3. 5 million that shows the opposite. Obviously many of us think the vaccine isn't worth it, proof? I spent 4 days with the sniffles and I'm diabetic, my co worker got her Vax and was sick for 3 weeks. Remember the surge a couple of months ago when cases went up in Hawaii with idiot Iges Vax passport in place? Contract tracing determined most came from bars and restaurants. Eh? Those vaccinated just showed their papers, the unvaxed had a negative test. Where do you think all those infections came from? That "Insight" where you think they should push unvaccinated out of medical care is pathetic. Where does it stop? Does the smoker get denied for any respiratory / cardiac tx? Does the promiscuous person get denied meds for HIV or any other sexually transmitted dz? Does the careless person who got pregnant bc they didn't use a contraceptive get denied an abortion?

Let me know how that 5th or 6th booster goes. 🤣.

[GreenTrees]

1334 (deaths in hawaii) ÷ 256,131 (positive cases in hawaii) = 0. 005208272%.

Very deadly virus at a mortality rate of less than 1%.

And still the FDA approved vax (Comirnaty) not available in US.

Then the people from Kaiser aministering biontech said there is not suppoes to be that much bod aches after the fist dose. They said to take Tylenol for body aches. Apparently Advil reduces the effect of the jab. As soon as we got jab #2, we popped Advil and popped Advil the day after. No more body ache after that dose.

My son, ex wife, and current supervisor were vacksed and boosted yet they still got sick and tested positive.

0. 005% of positive cases end in death. Very deadly.

[Johnny14]

I don't think it's necessarily proper or correct to slander people who do not view things the way you do. The point is you cannot say in one breath trust the science and then in the exact same breath deny the facts as they come out. Science is not set in stone, it's ever evolving. One year ago, people who said that masks won't do anything to stop the spread were shamed and deplatformed, and their careers ruined. Now, the CDC, the media, and the Democrat party is pretty much saying the same thing as there is no mask mandate other than Hawaii. Beerflu will be around for years, maybe forever. Asking people to put their lives on hold for you, me, or anyone else it's not only irrational.

Whether you're vaccinated or not, you can spread the virus. This is a scientific fact. What is misleading is all the numbers that say these people died from Covid. What I would like to know is how many people actually died from nothing but Covid, and who died from other medical conditions that were exacerbated by Covid. I would imagine that there is a huge disparity. My friend caught it twice, then got double Vaxxed, and caught it again. She definitely did her part to stop the spread, and it still didn't help. And nothing is free. The shots were paid for by the government who gets their money from us. It was definitely bought and paid for, and I have a feeling that for the next decade will be feeling the after effects..

I was assigned to several Air Force combat mobile Communication units for over 10 years and constantly trained in Bio-chemical warfare and know how to utilize different conditions in such an environment up to full suit ups. COVID-19 is a bio-weapon and highly contagious even more so than chemical ones including Anthrax spores. It fits into the micron category and only KN95 or N95 and higher graded masks can actually filter out this virus. The cloth ones or surgical ones do not, the virus will easily pass through them. If the vast majority of those who are unvaccinated and does take precautions by wearing these masks and are tested regularly, then fine. But most are not and go around risking exposure not just for themselves but also can spread it to others including those who are vaccinated. The ones who are vaccinated and somehow gets infected are less prone to spread it because the antibodies are already fighting and knocking down the intensity of the virus in contrast to those who are unvaccinated and become infected with the full force of the virus and the body is responding not reacting in contrast to those who already been vaccinated. This is the biggest difference and statistics shows clearly that the most venerable, those in the older age group with preconditions have a high rate of dying if they are unvaccinated verses those who are. Also just look at the numbers on the last surge to the ICU units, the vast majority was from unvaccinated people who clogged the hospitals resulting in patients who needed surgery or other treatment being turned away because of the unvaccinated flooding the available bed spaces in the hospitals. This is not what I'll call "compassion" ones who refused the free vaccinations and now get sick pushing others to the back of the line. I got no respect for these ignorant ones.

[MitsFunai]

Purpose for getting the COVID vaccine:

1. Getting vaccinated against COVID-19 can lower your risk of getting and spreading the virus that causes COVID-19. Vaccines can also help prevent serious illness and death.
2. All steps have been taken to ensure that vaccines are safe and effective for people ages 5 years and older.
3. If you already had COVID-19, you should still get a COVID-19 vaccine for added protection.
4. When you are up to date on COVID-19 vaccination, you can resume many activities with proper precautions (e. G. , mask wearing in indoor public spaces).
Key words and phrases: lower your risk; help prevent serious; proven safe and effective; added protection; resume many activities with proper precautions.