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04-03-20 16:18 #246
Posts: 655They'll have space now
Originally Posted by NerdFriday [View Original Post]
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04-03-20 04:32 #245
Posts: 281Gov Ige
By any chance does anyone know what happened to the Governor? Really. Where is he? He's not on the news doing his interviews. Only the mayor is doing all the talking along with the Lt. Gov. Don't you think the way this coronavirus situation is headed wouldn't he be the one to do all the talking on the news? Seems strange.
Stay safe out there everyone.
Aloha.
AF.
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04-03-20 01:57 #244
Posts: 175Where are the released inmates supposed to go?
I want some detailed analysis of what they expect to happen if they release inmates. Sure, not all of them are going to immediately start committing crime, but if 50% of the inmates released don't even have family in the islands, they're essentially going to instantly become part of the "homeless" population. No one's going to hire them, and good luck with them trying to find a place. So, release them, then what? A person who commits crime generally does so at the expense of others. You put a criminal outside of jails where they have lodging, food, and a "community", they're going to get desperate. Even the most "harmless offender" is going to resort to petty crime to try and survive. I can see them breaking into cars just to sleep, because they won't go to a homeless shelter or sleep with other homeless people. What are they going to eat? I can see them just dine and dashing or walking out with food from a grocery store. Sure, they might not immediately do an armed home invasion and rape someone, but they sure as hell are going to commit petty crimes just to survive, and I don't blame them.
All this talk about releasing prisoners and I haven't' see a single plan stating what these prisoners are reasonably expected to do once out.
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04-03-20 01:54 #243
Posts: 1978I did mention it
Originally Posted by FleshPrince [View Original Post]
Really, the international awareness of using common sense practices, washing hands, being aware of the germs that are out there is a positive thing. A contributing factor to slower spread of what is inevitably going to be in everyone's family eventually. As I said before, the virus won't go away just like the flu won't go away. Hopefully, it will mutate into a lesser strain or be reduced considerably from a vaccine which is already in the works. My criticism of government has always been an on going event. Everyone should question and not just follow the heard. I'm not going against the current government edict, but I'll always be critical. How easy it is for a government to take away basic rights under the guise of a pandemic. How odd that it's frowned upon or not politically correct to voice differing opinions of events. Considered stupid to question. If you like, I'll offer that the initial response being so zealous in it's form has been good. Even though it's still considered excessive. It's opening the eyes of everyone and telling them to be clean. Mayne we'll get less of other nasty ailments that are out there.
Again, I think they should quarantine not everyone except, "The essential" but those who are most at risk. If you smoke, are sick, over 70, or have immune deficiencies. Meaning everyone is away from them and they are away from everyone. There is no essential. Only "at risk" and not at risk of death. My 2 ¢ Again.
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04-02-20 21:47 #242
Posts: 288Curious
Originally Posted by HiPickle [View Original Post]
So I'm curious- do you know how your brother contracted the virus? Do you care how it was transmitted to him? Was he following the guidelines put forward by the state and fed govts?
The answers to those questions and others could prove helpful in guiding others' behavior and practices in their quest to remain healthy.
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04-02-20 21:34 #241
Posts: 1978Originally Posted by SandBagger2 [View Original Post]
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04-02-20 16:51 #240
Posts: 6If you were responsible for the health and safety of all people, what would you do?
Originally Posted by HiPickle [View Original Post]
I don't like the "stay at home" orders but I understand the need for them for the reasons stated above. But again, if you were responsible to protect everyone in the State, what would you do?
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04-02-20 16:23 #239
Posts: 148Releasing inmates. Duh!
No reports of anyone infected at any facilities so they want to release inmates. On the general public where they can become infected then come back into the prison system and get the prisoners infected. Duh!
Unlike NYC where 1700 police officers are infected. They have a problem. We have 2.
They are quarantined and isolated.
I think our chances of beating this are better than the rest of the country because of our geographic isolation.
If people take it seriously.
However, there are some that treat this like it's a game. Saturday night my neighbors are outside barbequing like a normal weekend with 15 or so people drinking been and hanging out.
Sorry. It wasn't me but someone did call because it was a social gathering. They were belligerent to the responding officers. Why?
Don't they understand the order? Maybe not because most of them are not US citizens. Or not originally US citizens. Reminded me of the old section 8 days when used to have 2 different nationalities living in the same complex and used to have fights on payday weekend's.
You didn't need pay per view. You had live fights right from the front porch. Back then no knives or weapons, just good old fist fights.
Ah to be back in the 1970's and 80's.
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04-02-20 16:13 #238
Posts: 239Goldilocks
One bear over reacted and bought 5000 rolls of toilet paper.
One bear was in denial that anything was wrong and went about life as usual.
One bear got news from reputable sources and paid heed to science and medicine and prepared accordingly.
I know which one of the above I am.
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04-02-20 15:38 #237
Posts: 1978
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04-02-20 14:28 #236
Posts: 1978Originally Posted by FleshPrince [View Original Post]
Overreaction in preparation for the worst case scenario is STILL an overreaction isn't it?
I'm always concerned about the law of unintended consequences. Especially when enacted by government policies.
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04-02-20 14:16 #235
Posts: 1978Originally Posted by Drken [View Original Post]
I'd wager the Chinese aren't telling the truth either.
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04-02-20 12:49 #234
Posts: 139Originally Posted by HiPickle [View Original Post]
https://www.economist.com/graphic-de...igures-suggest
https://www.france24.com/en/20200331...ial-virus-toll
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04-02-20 11:56 #233
Posts: 340Models are only as good as the numbers provided
The title says it all. Modeling is based on the numbers provided by each country as well as the date if was announced. I would deduct from recent media reporting that both the numbers and the date the pandemic started are skewed by a government with a population of 1.4 billion, and one that's willing to sacrifice a few million to remain in power. A lot of media reporting is now suggesting the numbers the CCP provided are not accurate, by some accounts by a factor of four. This can be supported by the PRCs own admission that they were not counting the asymptomatic patients, but now will begin to. Also, modeling is using Dec 1 as the start date, which is also inaccurate. A large body of media reporting suggests the PRC was aware of the virus as far back as November. That's a potential 30 day head start of a highly contagious virus to do what it only knows how to do, spread and infect. So unless you use accurate numbers and dates, all modeling is going to be off, by a lot. My personal opinion is that states like Seattle and New York who have a large influx of travelers were infected way before they were aware of it. I expect to see these states will figure out that high risk patients who died of complications will have to be looked at and maybe even tested. This could reveal that the virus was in the US far before any current modeling. If history of PRC not being forthcoming with vital information is any indicator of current events, the PRC withheld this information in hopes it could contain it within its borders. Once it realized it was not going to be able to do so, it notified the WHO and put everything in motion, including the misinformation and propaganda to keep from accepting blame for not reporting in earlier or reporting accurate numbers. As a note, I am using PRC and not China or Chinese people. I don't blame the people for their governments actions and hold no ill will to Chinese people. Heck they are more a victim in this than we are.
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04-02-20 05:30 #232
Posts: 288Originally Posted by HiPickle [View Original Post]
The problem is, no one knows for sure how the damn thing is going to proceed and so everyone is making their best guess. So it's easy to sit on the sidelines and take shots at whether the models are incorrect or not. No one knows til they know. But at the end of the day, the question is: would you rather be perceived as overreactive and have saved lives or take minimal action and end up with a lot of deaths if you're wrong. I would hope that the govt is doing what it thinks is best for the people, considering all factors.
So the issue of whether the media hysteria is overblown or not doesn't really matter, does it? Now if the govt was being duped by the media (assuming the hype is overblown) and making decisions based on such media hype, then that's another story. But I don't think the govt is that gullible even if the media IS overhyping stuff. And it doesn't seem like you believe the govt is that gullible either, since you said the reason for the aggressive measures was because of worst case scenario positioning, not media hype. So in conclusion, who cares if the media is blowing smoke because it doesn't matter. The govt is making its decisions based on more tangible factors and outcomes presented by its team of experts and own internal discussions (I hope anyway).