Corona virus

**Lopaka Smith** · 04-02-20 16:23

No reports of anyone infected at any facilities so they want to release inmates. On the general public where they can become infected then come back into the prison system and get the prisoners infected. Duh!

Unlike NYC where 1700 police officers are infected. They have a problem. We have 2.

They are quarantined and isolated.

I think our chances of beating this are better than the rest of the country because of our geographic isolation.

If people take it seriously.

However, there are some that treat this like it's a game. Saturday night my neighbors are outside barbequing like a normal weekend with 15 or so people drinking been and hanging out.

Sorry. It wasn't me but someone did call because it was a social gathering. They were belligerent to the responding officers. Why?

Don't they understand the order? Maybe not because most of them are not US citizens. Or not originally US citizens. Reminded me of the old section 8 days when used to have 2 different nationalities living in the same complex and used to have fights on payday weekend's.

You didn't need pay per view. You had live fights right from the front porch. Back then no knives or weapons, just good old fist fights.

Ah to be back in the 1970's and 80's.

**IQuietly** · 04-02-20 16:13

One bear over reacted and bought 5000 rolls of toilet paper.

One bear was in denial that anything was wrong and went about life as usual.

One bear got news from reputable sources and paid heed to science and medicine and prepared accordingly.

I know which one of the above I am.

**HiPickle** · 04-02-20 15:38

https://youtu.be/6boSkJ3s-v4

**HiPickle** · 04-02-20 14:28

Originally Posted by FleshPrince [View Original Post]

Now we're getting somewhere. The UNKNOWN- worst case scenario event positioning. Yes, I believe that is correct. So Fauci and co. Advise the White House of their recommendations based on their own modeling as well as consulting with other experts in their field, I would imagine. I don't think Fauci and Birx would be so arrogant and foolish, frankly, as to disregard all other "expert" opinions and assert to Trump that there can only be one answer (their own). I would think they present Trump with several scenarios, with possibly low, medium or high fatality risk and make suggestions to mitigate the risk for each level. Then I'm guessing Trump discusses the options with the task force and other officials and chooses which route to take, considering economic fallout, death rates, political risks and so on.

The problem is, no one knows for sure how the damn thing is going to proceed and so everyone is making their best guess. So it's easy to sit on the sidelines and take shots at whether the models are incorrect or not. No one knows til they know. But at the end of the day, the question is: would you rather be perceived as overreactive and have saved lives or take minimal action and end up with a lot of deaths if you're wrong. I would hope that the govt is doing what it thinks is best for the people, considering all factors.

So the issue of whether the media hysteria is overblown or not doesn't really matter, does it? Now if the govt was being duped by the media (assuming the hype is overblown) and making decisions based on such media hype, then that's another story. But I don't think the govt is that gullible even if the media IS overhyping stuff. And it doesn't seem like you believe the govt is that gullible either, since you said the reason for the aggressive measures was because of worst case scenario positioning, not media hype. So in conclusion, who cares if the media is blowing smoke because it doesn't matter. The govt is making its decisions based on more tangible factors and outcomes presented by its team of experts and own internal discussions (I hope anyway).

Media hype, specifically social media hype, now the more dominant form of information transmission, caused the great toilet paper raid of 2020. Kind of annoying eh? Stress, depression, hypertension, bad decisions, etc increase with media hype. Yes, agree, the government hopefully, is making the right decisions based on the experts.

Overreaction in preparation for the worst case scenario is STILL an overreaction isn't it?

I'm always concerned about the law of unintended consequences. Especially when enacted by government policies.

**HiPickle** · 04-02-20 14:16

Originally Posted by Drken [View Original Post]

Reality is much worst than what's being reported, the information is out there if you look for it from objective sources. Social media is not news, and Fox News is not news but mostly commentary and opinions.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-de...igures-suggest

https://www.france24.com/en/20200331...ial-virus-toll

"Objective sources". Talk about a subjective idea. It's all opinions. You just posted links of opinions. Not that their bad. It's probably important to hear them all, then make your decision based on what you think is logical. 🤔 I didn't bother signing up for the economist to read that one though. You think CNN is better than Fox in reporting their "News"? 😏.

I'd wager the Chinese aren't telling the truth either.

**Drken** · 04-02-20 12:49

Originally Posted by HiPickle [View Original Post]

What's with the blanket statement? I'm not saying "it's all hype". I'm saying there is too much hype. If it doesn't follow you're logic, there isn't any? I gave you an example of hype, also of MSNBCs Hayes tweet of 50% deaths. I'm not going to internet search everything for you, you can do it. Enlighten yourself. Those are some examples of media hype. Why haven't you heard about them? If it's news to you, maybe you're not looking beyond what you want to hear. I understand you'd rather play me off as a tin foil hat loon. I don't care, go with it. Suppose we'll have a better idea in time.

Reality is much worst than what's being reported, the information is out there if you look for it from objective sources. Social media is not news, and Fox News is not news but mostly commentary and opinions.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-de...igures-suggest

https://www.france24.com/en/20200331...ial-virus-toll

**AlohaJ** · 04-02-20 11:56

The title says it all. Modeling is based on the numbers provided by each country as well as the date if was announced. I would deduct from recent media reporting that both the numbers and the date the pandemic started are skewed by a government with a population of 1.4 billion, and one that's willing to sacrifice a few million to remain in power. A lot of media reporting is now suggesting the numbers the CCP provided are not accurate, by some accounts by a factor of four. This can be supported by the PRCs own admission that they were not counting the asymptomatic patients, but now will begin to. Also, modeling is using Dec 1 as the start date, which is also inaccurate. A large body of media reporting suggests the PRC was aware of the virus as far back as November. That's a potential 30 day head start of a highly contagious virus to do what it only knows how to do, spread and infect. So unless you use accurate numbers and dates, all modeling is going to be off, by a lot. My personal opinion is that states like Seattle and New York who have a large influx of travelers were infected way before they were aware of it. I expect to see these states will figure out that high risk patients who died of complications will have to be looked at and maybe even tested. This could reveal that the virus was in the US far before any current modeling. If history of PRC not being forthcoming with vital information is any indicator of current events, the PRC withheld this information in hopes it could contain it within its borders. Once it realized it was not going to be able to do so, it notified the WHO and put everything in motion, including the misinformation and propaganda to keep from accepting blame for not reporting in earlier or reporting accurate numbers. As a note, I am using PRC and not China or Chinese people. I don't blame the people for their governments actions and hold no ill will to Chinese people. Heck they are more a victim in this than we are.

**FleshPrince** · 04-02-20 05:30

Originally Posted by HiPickle [View Original Post]

Worst case scenario event positioning. Good and bad.

Here's another thought provoking article to consider.

https://medium.com/@wpegden/a-call-t...g-5c156686a64b
Mathematician critical of current modeling. I don't think he even touches on Farr's Law, another thing you can look up.

Now we're getting somewhere. The UNKNOWN- worst case scenario event positioning. Yes, I believe that is correct. So Fauci and co. Advise the White House of their recommendations based on their own modeling as well as consulting with other experts in their field, I would imagine. I don't think Fauci and Birx would be so arrogant and foolish, frankly, as to disregard all other "expert" opinions and assert to Trump that there can only be one answer (their own). I would think they present Trump with several scenarios, with possibly low, medium or high fatality risk and make suggestions to mitigate the risk for each level. Then I'm guessing Trump discusses the options with the task force and other officials and chooses which route to take, considering economic fallout, death rates, political risks and so on.

The problem is, no one knows for sure how the damn thing is going to proceed and so everyone is making their best guess. So it's easy to sit on the sidelines and take shots at whether the models are incorrect or not. No one knows til they know. But at the end of the day, the question is: would you rather be perceived as overreactive and have saved lives or take minimal action and end up with a lot of deaths if you're wrong. I would hope that the govt is doing what it thinks is best for the people, considering all factors.

So the issue of whether the media hysteria is overblown or not doesn't really matter, does it? Now if the govt was being duped by the media (assuming the hype is overblown) and making decisions based on such media hype, then that's another story. But I don't think the govt is that gullible even if the media IS overhyping stuff. And it doesn't seem like you believe the govt is that gullible either, since you said the reason for the aggressive measures was because of worst case scenario positioning, not media hype. So in conclusion, who cares if the media is blowing smoke because it doesn't matter. The govt is making its decisions based on more tangible factors and outcomes presented by its team of experts and own internal discussions (I hope anyway).

**HiPickle** · 04-02-20 04:08

". If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%. This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0. 1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively. ".

Found here.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387

**HiPickle** · 04-02-20 03:52

Originally Posted by FleshPrince [View Original Post]

Just to be clear (thought I WAS being clear), I'm not asking for examples of media hype or hysteria. I'm asking for your opinion on why govt officials are taking such drastic measures to head off the covid virus. You previously stated that in your opinion, the measures are an overreaction. You also said that there is too much media hype surrounding the virus, implying that the hype has led to the overreaction and thus the drastic measures implemented by govt.

So my question is: why do you think the govt (including the president of the USA) is taking such drastic measures if it is obvious that they will damage the economy for awhile? Are you of the opinion that it's because the govt has bought into the hysteria (your word) and is being duped by it?

Worst case scenario event positioning. Good and bad.

Here's another thought provoking article to consider.

https://medium.com/@wpegden/a-call-t...g-5c156686a64b
Mathematician critical of current modeling. I don't think he even touches on Farr's Law, another thing you can look up.

**FleshPrince** · 04-02-20 02:46

Originally Posted by HiPickle [View Original Post]

What's with the blanket statement? I'm not saying "it's all hype". I'm saying there is too much hype. If it doesn't follow you're logic, there isn't any? I gave you an example of hype, also of MSNBCs Hayes tweet of 50% deaths. I'm not going to internet search everything for you, you can do it. Enlighten yourself. Those are some examples of media hype. Why haven't you heard about them? If it's news to you, maybe you're not looking beyond what you want to hear. I understand you'd rather play me off as a tin foil hat loon. I don't care, go with it. Suppose we'll have a better idea in time.

Just to be clear (thought I WAS being clear), I'm not asking for examples of media hype or hysteria. I'm asking for your opinion on why govt officials are taking such drastic measures to head off the covid virus. You previously stated that in your opinion, the measures are an overreaction. You also said that there is too much media hype surrounding the virus, implying that the hype has led to the overreaction and thus the drastic measures implemented by govt.

So my question is: why do you think the govt (including the president of the USA) is taking such drastic measures if it is obvious that they will damage the economy for awhile? Are you of the opinion that it's because the govt has bought into the hysteria (your word) and is being duped by it?

**HiPickle** · 04-02-20 01:57

Originally Posted by FleshPrince [View Original Post]

Okay, I'll give you the Italian hospital blunder. But you still haven't explained why in the heck all the medical professionals including Trump's task force and Trump himself are implementing such drastic measures to head off the virus, knowing that the measures will knock the US economy for a loop for awhile (if it is all hype and hysteria as you stated).

Are they buying into media's "hysteria", as you put it? That seems implausible. So I'm still waiting for your explanation that shines the light on why the aggressive actions are being taken and why the US is about to spend trillions when it doesn't need to. If it's all hype anyway, as you have stated. I still remain mystified at the logic or lack thereof. Look forward to your enlightening thoughts.

What's with the blanket statement? I'm not saying "it's all hype". I'm saying there is too much hype. If it doesn't follow you're logic, there isn't any? I gave you an example of hype, also of MSNBCs Hayes tweet of 50% deaths. I'm not going to internet search everything for you, you can do it. Enlighten yourself. Those are some examples of media hype. Why haven't you heard about them? If it's news to you, maybe you're not looking beyond what you want to hear. I understand you'd rather play me off as a tin foil hat loon. I don't care, go with it. Suppose we'll have a better idea in time.

**FleshPrince** · 04-02-20 00:04

Originally Posted by HiPickle [View Original Post]

A lot goes on besides what the main stream media offers. Not all of it conspiracy theories.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...navirus-crisis

Like ABCs "editing" error when they showed a firing range in Kentucky as a "Slaughter in Syria. 😏. Remember that?

https://thefederalist.com/2019/10/15...hter-in-syria/

Fox News is part of the mainstream. Not as worthless as the other networks, but they're still there to capture an audience while using bloated headlines.

Don't follow the crowd.

Okay, I'll give you the Italian hospital blunder. But you still haven't explained why in the heck all the medical professionals including Trump's task force and Trump himself are implementing such drastic measures to head off the virus, knowing that the measures will knock the US economy for a loop for awhile (if it is all hype and hysteria as you stated).

Are they buying into media's "hysteria", as you put it? That seems implausible. So I'm still waiting for your explanation that shines the light on why the aggressive actions are being taken and why the US is about to spend trillions when it doesn't need to. If it's all hype anyway, as you have stated. I still remain mystified at the logic or lack thereof. Look forward to your enlightening thoughts.

**Drake678** · 04-02-20 00:02

Trish Regan is hot. Too bad she got fired from FOX News for telling the truth. Here is what got her fired.

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/trish-re...the-president/

**HiPickle** · 04-01-20 23:26

Originally Posted by FleshPrince [View Original Post]

Really? Where did you see the Italian hospital being portrayed as an American one? That's a conspiracy theory I haven't heard yet.

As for Cuomo showing a hospital with many open beds, which hospital was it? That's a little hard to believe. Unless, one is to believe that all the doctors, nurses, govt officials, Trump task force members, that have been interviewed on Fox News and other networks were lying to deceive the American public when they said that hospitals are overwhelmed and help is needed to treat the existing patients as well as more equipment is needed. Are they are all part of one big conspiracy to fool Americans into thinking that the covid virus is an enormous threat to human life in the states?

You would have to explain why all those professionals are engaging in such a conspiracy, because I'm just not getting it. Please tell me you have solid reasons for floating such an inconceivable theory.

A lot goes on besides what the main stream media offers. Not all of it conspiracy theories.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...navirus-crisis

Like ABCs "editing" error when they showed a firing range in Kentucky as a "Slaughter in Syria. 😏. Remember that?

https://thefederalist.com/2019/10/15...hter-in-syria/

Fox News is part of the mainstream. Not as worthless as the other networks, but they're still there to capture an audience while using bloated headlines.

Don't follow the crowd.