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04-02-20 16:23 #239
Posts: 148Releasing inmates. Duh!
No reports of anyone infected at any facilities so they want to release inmates. On the general public where they can become infected then come back into the prison system and get the prisoners infected. Duh!
Unlike NYC where 1700 police officers are infected. They have a problem. We have 2.
They are quarantined and isolated.
I think our chances of beating this are better than the rest of the country because of our geographic isolation.
If people take it seriously.
However, there are some that treat this like it's a game. Saturday night my neighbors are outside barbequing like a normal weekend with 15 or so people drinking been and hanging out.
Sorry. It wasn't me but someone did call because it was a social gathering. They were belligerent to the responding officers. Why?
Don't they understand the order? Maybe not because most of them are not US citizens. Or not originally US citizens. Reminded me of the old section 8 days when used to have 2 different nationalities living in the same complex and used to have fights on payday weekend's.
You didn't need pay per view. You had live fights right from the front porch. Back then no knives or weapons, just good old fist fights.
Ah to be back in the 1970's and 80's.
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04-02-20 16:13 #238
Posts: 239Goldilocks
One bear over reacted and bought 5000 rolls of toilet paper.
One bear was in denial that anything was wrong and went about life as usual.
One bear got news from reputable sources and paid heed to science and medicine and prepared accordingly.
I know which one of the above I am.
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04-02-20 15:38 #237
Posts: 1978
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04-02-20 14:28 #236
Posts: 1978Originally Posted by FleshPrince [View Original Post]
Overreaction in preparation for the worst case scenario is STILL an overreaction isn't it?
I'm always concerned about the law of unintended consequences. Especially when enacted by government policies.
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04-02-20 14:16 #235
Posts: 1978Originally Posted by Drken [View Original Post]
I'd wager the Chinese aren't telling the truth either.
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04-02-20 12:49 #234
Posts: 139Originally Posted by HiPickle [View Original Post]
https://www.economist.com/graphic-de...igures-suggest
https://www.france24.com/en/20200331...ial-virus-toll
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04-02-20 11:56 #233
Posts: 340Models are only as good as the numbers provided
The title says it all. Modeling is based on the numbers provided by each country as well as the date if was announced. I would deduct from recent media reporting that both the numbers and the date the pandemic started are skewed by a government with a population of 1.4 billion, and one that's willing to sacrifice a few million to remain in power. A lot of media reporting is now suggesting the numbers the CCP provided are not accurate, by some accounts by a factor of four. This can be supported by the PRCs own admission that they were not counting the asymptomatic patients, but now will begin to. Also, modeling is using Dec 1 as the start date, which is also inaccurate. A large body of media reporting suggests the PRC was aware of the virus as far back as November. That's a potential 30 day head start of a highly contagious virus to do what it only knows how to do, spread and infect. So unless you use accurate numbers and dates, all modeling is going to be off, by a lot. My personal opinion is that states like Seattle and New York who have a large influx of travelers were infected way before they were aware of it. I expect to see these states will figure out that high risk patients who died of complications will have to be looked at and maybe even tested. This could reveal that the virus was in the US far before any current modeling. If history of PRC not being forthcoming with vital information is any indicator of current events, the PRC withheld this information in hopes it could contain it within its borders. Once it realized it was not going to be able to do so, it notified the WHO and put everything in motion, including the misinformation and propaganda to keep from accepting blame for not reporting in earlier or reporting accurate numbers. As a note, I am using PRC and not China or Chinese people. I don't blame the people for their governments actions and hold no ill will to Chinese people. Heck they are more a victim in this than we are.
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04-02-20 05:30 #232
Posts: 288Originally Posted by HiPickle [View Original Post]
The problem is, no one knows for sure how the damn thing is going to proceed and so everyone is making their best guess. So it's easy to sit on the sidelines and take shots at whether the models are incorrect or not. No one knows til they know. But at the end of the day, the question is: would you rather be perceived as overreactive and have saved lives or take minimal action and end up with a lot of deaths if you're wrong. I would hope that the govt is doing what it thinks is best for the people, considering all factors.
So the issue of whether the media hysteria is overblown or not doesn't really matter, does it? Now if the govt was being duped by the media (assuming the hype is overblown) and making decisions based on such media hype, then that's another story. But I don't think the govt is that gullible even if the media IS overhyping stuff. And it doesn't seem like you believe the govt is that gullible either, since you said the reason for the aggressive measures was because of worst case scenario positioning, not media hype. So in conclusion, who cares if the media is blowing smoke because it doesn't matter. The govt is making its decisions based on more tangible factors and outcomes presented by its team of experts and own internal discussions (I hope anyway).
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04-02-20 04:08 #231
Posts: 1978From Dr. Fauci
". If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%. This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0. 1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively. ".
Found here.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387
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04-02-20 03:52 #230
Posts: 1978The unknown
Originally Posted by FleshPrince [View Original Post]
Here's another thought provoking article to consider.
https://medium.com/@wpegden/a-call-t...g-5c156686a64b
Mathematician critical of current modeling. I don't think he even touches on Farr's Law, another thing you can look up.
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04-02-20 02:46 #229
Posts: 288Originally Posted by HiPickle [View Original Post]
So my question is: why do you think the govt (including the president of the USA) is taking such drastic measures if it is obvious that they will damage the economy for awhile? Are you of the opinion that it's because the govt has bought into the hysteria (your word) and is being duped by it?
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04-02-20 01:57 #228
Posts: 1978Originally Posted by FleshPrince [View Original Post]
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04-02-20 00:04 #227
Posts: 288Still don't understand
Originally Posted by HiPickle [View Original Post]
Are they buying into media's "hysteria", as you put it? That seems implausible. So I'm still waiting for your explanation that shines the light on why the aggressive actions are being taken and why the US is about to spend trillions when it doesn't need to. If it's all hype anyway, as you have stated. I still remain mystified at the logic or lack thereof. Look forward to your enlightening thoughts.
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04-02-20 00:02 #226
Posts: 658Trish Regan speaks truth about COVID scam
Trish Regan is hot. Too bad she got fired from FOX News for telling the truth. Here is what got her fired.
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/trish-re...the-president/
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04-01-20 23:26 #225
Posts: 1978Won't find it on CNN
Originally Posted by FleshPrince [View Original Post]
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...navirus-crisis
Like ABCs "editing" error when they showed a firing range in Kentucky as a "Slaughter in Syria. 😏. Remember that?
https://thefederalist.com/2019/10/15...hter-in-syria/
Fox News is part of the mainstream. Not as worthless as the other networks, but they're still there to capture an audience while using bloated headlines.
Don't follow the crowd.