Non Pro's

[Mizunate]

Thank you for the advice. One point I oppose, however:

More people in this hobby *should* be using Signal. It is e2 e encrypted with plausible deniability such that anyone you've ever messaged can't be proven to have not sent a message you sent. And that means having a bigger Singal chat history helps with the deniability.

Could someone using Signal scam you? Yes. But so could anyone using Whatsapp, iMessage, or plain SMS. Signal will help everyone in this hobby avoid subpoenaed evidence. Plus they recently removed the phone number requirement, iirc. I highly recommend it.

Apps like Signal are far more popular overseas. A local 20-something woman using Signal, Telegram, etc. Is rare.

That's the point.

[Valinor]

Thank you for the advice. One point I oppose, however:

Messaging apps are often scams. "Do you have Signal?" if a girl says that to you, it's typically a scam. If they can't text you directly or use a "common" messaging app, it's probably some dude in Uzbekistan who is trying to scam you.

More people in this hobby *should* be using Signal. It is e2 e encrypted with plausible deniability such that anyone you've ever messaged can't be proven to have not sent a message you sent. And that means having a bigger Singal chat history helps with the deniability.

Could someone using Signal scam you? Yes. But so could anyone using Whatsapp, iMessage, or plain SMS. Signal will help everyone in this hobby avoid subpoenaed evidence. Plus they recently removed the phone number requirement, iirc. I highly recommend it.

[Mizunate]

We all get scammed, tricked, fooled, and disappointed by the "non-pros" of the world. This post hopefully helps you navigate it all so you don't get scammed, tricked, or disappointed AS OFTEN. If you're new to it all, please use this as your beginner guide / rulebook.

(And whoever is able to edit the thread name, please do. "Non Pro's" is grammatically incorrect.).

Have YOUR price. You know your budget or what you're willing to spend. Stick to it. More often than you think, girls on the boards will meet your price if it's fair.

What they're "used to" has no bearing on you. A LOT of girls will tell you about the price they're "used to" from previous arrangements. It's often a lie, or they got that amount one time from some sucker who was desperate. If that's really what they're worth, they wouldn't be looking. They'd have someone willing to pay that all the time already.

NEVER front payment. Ever. I've been taken advantage of, too. No matter how long you've been seeing her or how well the conversation is going, never front payment. With your money in their hands, those girls are FAR more likely to stop seeing you to make good on a promise.

Messaging apps are often scams. "Do you have Signal?" if a girl says that to you, it's typically a scam. If they can't text you directly or use a "common" messaging app, it's probably some dude in Uzbekistan who is trying to scam you.

Be realistic. When you look at a profile, think to yourself: Have I ever seen a girl that hot walking around my city? Moreover, are the pics she has posted recognizable to me as part of my city or town? If she's crazy hot and all her pics are in Paris, guess what? She's in Paris.

AI is real. Scammers are starting to use AI to create dating profile intros. I know because I got AI to spit out an intro for a fake profile that was almost the same as what the profile postedbased on the info I was able to get from the intro (mid-20's, nurse, etc.). Be smarter than AI. If it seems to well-written, it's likely fake.

Resist buying content or visiting them at the club. Many girls are using these boards to drive clientele to their strip clubs or to sell their OnlyFans content. If you're there to meet someone to have fun, avoid these situations, even if they frame them as a precursor to actually hanging out alone. More often than not, you'll never get past that first step.

Never make a deposit. If you're asked to make a small deposit to "prove you're real" or as a down payment for a date, block or report that account and move on. That person is a scammer and is having the same conversation with dozens of guys just like you RIGHT NOW.

Grainy pictures = fake profiles. Scammers screenshot pictures from Instagram or other sites / apps and then edit them to avoid detection. Usually, they crop the photo, which prevents the image from detection when you do a reverse image search. But this also leaves them with grainy pictures. If the pictures on a profile are grainy, proceed with caution.

Do NOT fall for sob stories. This is the same as fronting payment. More often than not, when you hear the sob story, it's a sign she's trying to get what she can out of you before never seeing you again. It doesn't even matter at what point in the relationship this hits. I've "dated" women consistently for over a year, trusted them, and been hit with sob stories I fell for. And never saw them again. Stick to your arrangement terms, whatever they are, and don't stray from it. If she needs the money, she can put in the work for it.

"Open" relationships are double-trouble. If they're in an "open" relationship, they're doing this to get money for both of them. Whatever that looks like. You're inheriting the wants of two people instead of one, and that's almost always more expensive and annoying. It's like seeing a managed provider, and it will always be a headache for you.

Some of them are just tourists. A lot of real women on these boards are just checking it out and have no intent to actually meet up. I'm not going to parse why, but if she's not ready to meet up, just hide / block her and move on. She's free to waste her own time but don't let her waste yours too.

There is no "silver bullet" for the non-pro boards. I'm finding a LOT more fake / scam profiles than ever, and boards like SA do a terrible job of protecting you, the real user. I've met a few decent women there recently, but it's getting a lot harder to find the good ones.

We all get tricked and scammed. It happens to everyone, whether they want to share that publicly or not. Some are scammed out of thousands, others much less.

You have to protect yourself, and we have to look out for each other.

If you need a TL; DR for this post, here it is: Have your price, be clear about what you're looking for, and stick to it.

(As always, if you have questions or need to chat about anything, do feel free to PM me!)

[ButtMan343]

https://members.seeking.com/member/9...6-0efed140ef2d

Have had a few conversations. Won't meet first in public. But will host at her place. 400.

Have not pulled the trigger maybe a bait and switch?

[Zippy69]

So. Basically, see her once.

Ever.

My story is years ago I had a hard time getting hobby funds undetected. So I would take $20-$40 cash back at the store and go to a slot machines at a bar. Surprisingly I had a decent record cashing out enough for a half hour session. A few times I won $1500 which requires a trip to the lottery office to have them report it to the IRS. That's no good for me since I didn't want that paper trail. Instead I gave the ticket to a provider who's rate was $140/ hr in exchange for 7 sessions. That's over $200 a session which seemed fair since she had to to the time to go cash the ticket. I got 2 sessions and on the 3rd she asked if I could pay her rate because things were tight. Same thing the next time. The fifth time she claimed she thought she fulfilled the obligation. JFC. I got 2 sessions for it. Dumb me. She's actually a well established and reviewed provider who I was a regular. The next time I won $1500 I told the bar tender I didn't want to deal with it. She called a dude who was there in 15 minutes and gave me $1200 for the ticket. I used him twice more after that.

[Pdxdtf]

So. Basically, see her once.

I've seen her a couple times during the day and it's been fine. Last time I definitely gave her 2 creampies.

[Bobby ShafToe]

Saw Opal in early February after corresponding off and on for a long time. Quoted 5, agreed to 4. She is unable to host. She came over, we went out for dinner and the conversation flowed effortlessly. Very nice gal. Went back to my place and had a lot of fun. She commented how much she enjoyed our time and was looking forward to many more dates.

A week later, gives me a sob story on how she's hurting for cash, so I helped her out with an advance for a future date. Stupid decision on my part. Text back and forth to try and set up our next date. Goes silent for a little while and tells me how she and her kid have been sick and how she's been taking care of her sick mom. Okay, fine, seems like legit reason.

Fast forward a month, reaches out apologizing for not responding because her burner phone was shut off due to lack of payment. Tells me her real phone is about to get shut off unless she pays the bill immediately. Told her I wasn't comfortable helping out since she hasn't fulfilled her obligation of a second date. Apologizes profusely and ensures me she will be in touch and that she has deactivated her seeking profile (despite the fact that I can see her secret benefits profile is active) which obviously isn't true since you guys can access her profile, which means she just blocked me. Helped her out a second time.

She reached back out to schedule our second date, but wasn't available when I was free. Countered with a different date, but haven't heard from her since--it's been about 3 weeks since her last text.

Great gal, lots of fun, but flaky, unreliable and not trustworthy.

So. Basically, see her once.

[PWhip]

She told me 500 as well and I would need to host.

Saw Opal in early February after corresponding off and on for a long time. Quoted 5, agreed to 4. She is unable to host. She came over, we went out for dinner and the conversation flowed effortlessly. Very nice gal. Went back to my place and had a lot of fun. She commented how much she enjoyed our time and was looking forward to many more dates.

A week later, gives me a sob story on how she's hurting for cash, so I helped her out with an advance for a future date. Stupid decision on my part. Text back and forth to try and set up our next date. Goes silent for a little while and tells me how she and her kid have been sick and how she's been taking care of her sick mom. Okay, fine, seems like legit reason.

Fast forward a month, reaches out apologizing for not responding because her burner phone was shut off due to lack of payment. Tells me her real phone is about to get shut off unless she pays the bill immediately. Told her I wasn't comfortable helping out since she hasn't fulfilled her obligation of a second date. Apologizes profusely and ensures me she will be in touch and that she has deactivated her seeking profile (despite the fact that I can see her secret benefits profile is active) which obviously isn't true since you guys can access her profile, which means she just blocked me. Helped her out a second time.

She reached back out to schedule our second date, but wasn't available when I was free. Countered with a different date, but haven't heard from her since--it's been about 3 weeks since her last text.

Great gal, lots of fun, but flaky, unreliable and not trustworthy.

[PoonHound1969]

Anyone end up seeing this one? She quoted me 500.

She told me 500 as well and I would need to host.

[BigJon8765]

Anyone end up seeing this one? She quoted me 500.

That's what she quoted me. I've been wanting to take the plunge but our schedules haven't aligned. She seems like a good time.

[Beaver01]

Opal88 (https://members.seeking.com/member/5...5-5d4f4305a975) -- possible scam, but asks 400 per date. Something just seems off about her, I'm still cahtting her up though.

Anyone end up seeing this one? She quoted me 500.

[Jd058]

This is a manly feature.

https://milfy.com.listcrawler.eu/pos...land/166307571#.

Aaaaaaand now I need eye bleach. Damn, that is a frightening face.

[Organiz]

Yikes. That 1 has some pretty manly features. And uses they pronouns. See her and you could get a surprise.

This is a manly feature.

https://milfy.com.listcrawler.eu/pos...land/166307571#.

[Zippy69]

Manly? Haha. Uh, no, not at all. Also she is nude all over social media. And she shoots porn. Nothing manly about her at all.

She looks hot. He instagram is great. Fucks like a champ. I wish she had 1 hour sessions.

[Bobby ShafToe]

Yikes. That 1 has some pretty manly features. And uses they pronouns. See her and you could get a surprise.

Manly? Haha. Uh, no, not at all. Also she is nude all over social media. And she shoots porn. Nothing manly about her at all.