New Member Guide

[PrivateParts]

I'd refer you to post MP questions in that forum where the experts can weigh in. Summary of that discussion we can post here instead of filling up this thread with a lot of clutter.

With that said, here is my take:

1. For escorts, it was suggested to walk in order to put your vehicle out of harms way when it comes to potential LE or theft issues. Would why'all make the same suggestion for MPs? Seems like it almost the opposite level of weird to not show up in a vehicle at a MP. Kind of suspicious in a way, I guess.
AWM.

MP are a legitimate place of business so parking is a personal preference. If you are concerned your vehicle is recognizable and afraid someone will recognize it and rightfully assume you are there for a tug then you can decide to park elsewhere. In general if it's a business or hotel most will park in the lot provided. Private residences guys may want to park around the corner of its safe neighborhood.

2. For escorts, it was suggested to discuss what is wanted up front, and then avoid discussion of what happens when it actually happens due to potential issue of directly discussing money for tricks. For most MPs it seems like there is not a good way around this. If there are certain providers who are solo or you are contacting directly, is it ok to discuss specifics beforehand, or is it always done in the moment?.

I'd say your best course of action is for new members to read reviews and have a pretty good idea of what services are on the table (MP pun intended). Keep in mind MPs may not offer all services to a new client like an escort would. Some require establishing a rapport. If there are plenty of reviews there is really no reason to talk services before you meet. If it's an unknown provider care should be taken, especially with MPs as they may be scared away. My understanding with MPs is this is an in-game decision and part of the excitement of discovery. Usually enough clues are dropped (teasing) to let you know she's willing to do more.

[AvrgeWhiteMale]

Feels like the most correct place to ask these questions. Newb here looking to expand on some of the great information below with some things I do not believe were covered. Specifically in terms of escorts versus MPs and what is typical.

1. For escorts, it was suggested to walk in order to put your vehicle out of harms way when it comes to potential LE or theft issues. Would why'all make the same suggestion for MPs? Seems like it almost the opposite level of weird to not show up in a vehicle at a MP. Kind of suspicious in a way, I guess.

2. For escorts, it was suggested to discuss what is wanted up front, and then avoid discussion of what happens when it actually happens due to potential issue of directly discussing money for tricks. For most MPs it seems like there is not a good way around this. If there are certain providers who are solo or you are contacting directly, is it ok to discuss specifics beforehand, or is it always done in the moment?

Thanks in advance.

AWM.

[PrivateParts]

Most of the posts in this thread are geared towards Escorts. Here is a great guide on SW thanks to MichBigTitLove for sharing:

Copied this from another monger but I agree completely.

22 Rules for Street Mongering.

1. IS SHE WORKING? - It ain't like in the movies -They wear ordinary clothes, and are just walking alone, with no bags, or maybe making a phone call at a pay phone (but if you checked, there's no one on the line). Believe it or not, a girl walking alone and without shopping bags on a hobbyist street is almost always a SW.

2. If you aren't sure, come back in a few minutes. Non-pros who happen to be walking are going somewhere, which isn't up and down the same stretch of road. And on hobbyist streets, the local women tend to avoid looking like they might be in business, unless they are!

3. If she is watching traffic, she's probably a SW.

4. If she makes eye contact with you, she's probably a SW.

5. If she then smiles at you, she is a SW. After all, you're just some dude driving by.

6. If she's with a "boyfriend", who disappears when you come around again, he's pimping her. Be careful! Don't unlock the door until she's ready to get in, with him nowhere to be seen! If you follow these rules, you're in control of the situation.

7. MAKING THE PICKUP. Pull over at the next parking lot, or around the next corner and park nearby. If you're sure she saw you. Smile back at her, dummy! - then feel free to pull further down the block, so it's not so easily observed by LE. She'll casually turn down your block, walk past. And then suddenly walk up to see if you're letting her in. Keep eye contact, keep smiling. Invite her in.

8. Lock the other doors! You're in a crime-filled neighborhood!

9. AVOIDING LE STINGS. Do not EVER EVER EVER discuss anything with a girl who isn't seated in your car, except to offer her a ride. THAT'S ALL YOU'RE DOING! IT'S LEGAL! Just being a nice guy. On every board I've seen, LE always tries to make the bust without the F LE risking her ass by getting in. READ THIS RULE AGAIN! IT'S IMPORTANT!

10. This is the perfect time for LE to pull you over for rolling through a stop sign, just to harass your ass. Drive like a preacher! It's an effective way of intimidating we hobbyists, and they'll use any opportunity if they're watching.

11. Make a turn or two before discussing $$, just in case. Watch your rear view. You can bet she will, too! I've never heard of LE getting in the car, with a follower, but better safe than sorry. A known LE trick. She doesn't get in, but directs you to meet her around the corner. Guess who's waiting there, instead of her? If she doesn't get in right away, move on!

12. AVOIDING SCAMS. If you do a car date, and you let her pick the spot (she'll try to direct you), be aware that she may be setting you up for a robbery. Don't settle for her spot. Or at least, force her to come up with a second choice. Her boyfriend can't be in two places at once.

13. If you go back to a hotel, and she picked it, be aware that this could be a setup for cash&dash, or her pimp busting in & robbing you.

14. If you go back to her place. Are you mad? The "boyfriend busting in mad, waving a gun" scam probably happens a lot. Since the victims won't report the robbery, they get by with it, even though the victims know where the robbers are staying!

15. If you go back to your hotel, um, have fun! (OK, that's not a rule. If you go back to your hotel, be discreet so the mgmt doesn't call LE on you.).

16. If you go back to your house. Are you really ok with a potentially-addicted SW knowing where you live?

17. YOUR WALLET. Do not leave your wallet within her reach. If you think you know a clever spot to hide it, remember that 100's of others have thought of it, too. While you're distracted, her free hand can be working.

18. YOUR MONEY. Do not have more in your pocket than you want to spend. She (and your dick) will talk it out of you. If she's really worth an extra few dollars, you can go get it (out of the trunk, the ATM, your other pocket, whatever). Current street rates are 20 for BJ, 40-50 for FS, and you can tip later if you think it's worth it. Remember, it isn't worth it just because you came. She'll always demand a tip, if she thinks it's coming. Many will claim they "usually charge more" - the word on this board is: they don't. But, hey, some of these girls are hard-working, quality-driven providers, even though they're SW (really. I mean it! And they deserve a break.

19. HUNTING HOURS. They're out at all times, in most weather. I've heard of them walking as early as 4:30 am, and well past midnight. They work the lunch hours for guys on lunch, afternoons for guys on early shifts, mornings for guys who'll be late for work, and all through the evening and night. If it's lightly raining, there will be less, but there will be some. Most of these girls are drug addicts; their addiction doesn't have a "M-F, excluding legal holidays" schedule.

20. CFS! Carry a condom. Usually, they don't have one (which I think is so fuc*ing stupid, but then, if they had a clue they wouldn't be SW-ing). You don't want to be tempted to skip the cover because that pussy is so fine.

And the freebie: Every time some SW claims "I'm the best! I'm worth more", it really means, "I'm a lame-ass lying lazy talent less junkie!" The good ones don't have to brag; they'll get your return business.

21. Don't let her use your cellphone. It's a very common request. She'll call her friend, or her own phone, and that will give her access to your # - which might set you up for unexpected & inopportune calls for business or bail money.

22. Be friendly. As has been noted in other threads, these are people with feelings, not just automaton sex dispensers. If you're friendly, chatty, and warm, she'll open up, relax, and probably be more generous with her service, in all the little ways that matter most. Remember, if she's never hooked up with you before, she's worried that you might be either LE, or some psycho SW-stalker.

As always Play Safe.

I would add don't pay in advance.

[PrivateParts]

SkipTheGames created a nice article that covers a lot of Newbie Guide topics. Hopefully the link stays alive, otherwise at the time of this posting you can find it by clicking on a provider’s picture on STG and click "Is this photo real?

https://skipthegames.com/articles/ab...nd-avoid-scams

[AdorableRose]

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EDITOR'S NOTE: This report was deleted because it contributed nothing of value and in fact constituted a complete waste of bandwidth.

The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange if information between men on the subject of finding women for sex. Let's stick to the subject.

[PrivateParts]

Providers that rarely (or never) advertise on escort sites and prefer to service only existing clients or new ones via referrals are operating under the radar (UTR). You won't find UTR phone numbers on public sites so it's a privilege if you have it and shouldn't be shared without the UTR's consent.

Who are UTRs? UTRs can be well established providers keeping a low profile, regular women who just want to make some extra cash while having fun, or simply new to the game and will eventually start advertising on their own. The common trait of any UTR is that she doesn't want to risk seeing the random man that typically responds to escort ads. They want to see safe, respectful gentlemen for their own safety.

How do UTRs operate? Some are a member of this site that'll review your posts and decide for themselves if they'd be willing to see you. Others rely on one or more trusted clients to assist them with referrals. Typically it's a senior member who has an established relationship with the woman whom she trusts and has given permission to share. Sometimes it's only under strict circumstances agreed to between the UTR and her trusted client.

How do you get to see a UTR? Only by referral from person who the UTR has entrusted to pass along contact info. The mechanism on how this is accomplished may vary, but typically involves a senior member who'll post to this community offering up the UTR contact info to other members "in good standing". The member has 100% discretion in deciding who gets the UTR contact info. He could be sharing his actual girlfriend or sugar baby for all you know, so respect his decisions.


Is this pimping? No, not if the senior member who is assisting the UTR has a solid track record in the community. Red flags would be if the person offering up a UTR is new to the community, requires other members to pay him, or is otherwise involved in negotiations with the provider. We all should be very cognizant of which providers we patronize and look out for human trafficking. By granting referrals to only respected members we protect the UTR from getting involved with bad people, including pimps who may troll this site.

Can I share a UTRs info after I receive it? Hell no. The only one who should be giving out a UTRs number is the person (or persons) she's entrusted. There are usually stipulations that those who are entrusted know that you don't. By passing out a UTR's info without her permission you're putting her at risk.

Why wasnt I given the UTR? It could be any number of reasons. Maybe the UTR only wanted to get a couple new clients, or told her trusted client she's had enough. Or it could be something in your history (or lack thereof) that makes the senior member apprehensive. The best way to get access to a UTR is to contribute positively to this forum. If you never post reviews, constantly attack others, or show no respect for the women you've seen in the past you won't get a referral from a senior member.

What if I think Im deserving? Tough crap. Ask your wife if shes wants to suck a bunch of strangers dicks and then you can call the shots. Until then suck it up buttercup.

Can I review a UTR? Yes. Be respectful of the UTR's privacy by not divulging personal information you learn, but do be honest. Being a UTR doesn't mean she's worth it. UTRs can fall into the same pitfalls as other escorts, so the community benefits from knowing your experience.

I see reviews of a UTR, how do I get her info? Search the forum to find out who introduced her to the team. If you can't find it, ask in General reports. Do not pressure others who have seen her but haven't been given permission directly by the UTR to share.

The UTR Ive been seeing asked me for more referrals, what do I do? As a courtesy you should tell the senior member who shared with you her digits / password originally before you act. You all need to be on the same page. Helping a UTR the right way is a difficult task, so don't take it lightly.

[PrivateParts]

Good discussion on using text / voice apps. Click to view original posts for advice.

Hiding the App.

If you choose to use a texting app you can hide it when you are not using it. ...

Google Voice part 1-5.

It is pretty easy to use Google Voice safely, even for those who are not all that tech savvy.
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Google Voice part 6-8.

6. Turn off notifications on your phone unless you want them ...

Free voice minutes

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TextFree allows you to accrue voice minutes for free by just playing a lot 20-30 second ads from within the app. It's mindless and I can bankroll 10-20 minutes while watching a football game. ...

I'll add for any of these apps, make sure you experiment with them by playing with all combinations of notifications and then sending texts & calls from a different phone to see how it responds on your phone (in both locked mode and while open). I noticed that with TextFree that I can't disable incoming voice calls from appearing on my lock screen.

Another technique not mentioned in above posts is to disable those apps from using Cellular data when not in use. I find my phone is most vulnerable to getting into the wife's hands when we are out of the house, especially in the car. Disable those apps from using cellular prevents the unexpected voice call or text to pop up at the wrong time.

[PrivateParts]

Look at the attached escort ad. How do you scam thee? Let me count the ways:

1. The title.

2. The pictures look like taken straight out of image gallery.

3. Do the reverse image search, yup confirmed.

4. Payment method is Visa / MC.

5. Location says text me now.

6. West Virginia area code.

7. Weight in kg.

8. Very bad broken English.

9. Over the top sex talk.

10. Ridiculously low rate.

11. Phone number has ads across country.

Let's make it an even dozen with this one: claims to be 26 when she could easily pass for 21 or below. Escorts never use their real age, but they don't add years either.

[PrivateParts]

You will find advice on common themes scattered throughout this guide as well as within individual posts in the main report threads. If you want to be successful at this hobby, avoid wasting time, and stay safe you will need to become proficient at the following and become a valued member in the process:

• Know the local escorts scene, whos good & who to avoid by reading posts and using the search function.

• Know how to identify escorts who are managed (to put it mildly) vs operating independently. Understand what that means and who you want to patronize.

• Learn how to spot a fake ad, bait & switch and avoid scams

• Learn how to contact an escort. Never use your real number.

• Know how to minimize your risk and stay safe

• Don’t pre-pay and don’t give deposits

• Beware of outcall to your home. Your ID is sacred.

• Contribute back to forum with reviews and info that others might want to know

• Don't be lazy when asking for help. Demonstrating you've tried or contributed in some other way will encourage senior members to respond.

• Members are allowed to differing opinions. No need to argue.

• Don’t criticize another members taste in escorts.

• Treat the women with respect so they continue to treat us right.

Suggest starting at the oldest post in this thread and reading backwards.

[PrivateParts]

Recap about providers with 3 letter names and this site not supporting 3 letter searches. First suggestion to help others is to duplicate the last letter when you make a post about one. I. T. Professionals can read Wolverines explanation here:

This site is powered by a community hosting site called vBulletin...

In the mean time we have our work around with adding the extra letter to the end of the provider's name (ex. For joy we would post joyy).

Other suggestions are to help you in search. First is do a 4 letter search "Joyy", "Skyy", "Ivyy" etc which will find the posts mongers were nice enough to do up front. The second is Chad's suggestion:

Another option is to put asterisks *Ivy* around your search term. This still won't show you three letter results, but it will bring up any larger group of letters or symbols containing those letters. So if anyone ended a sentence with "Ivy," and put a period or an exclamation mark after it, those reviews will come up.

[PrivateParts]

Great post by Wolverines on how to search, complete with pics.

http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...=1#post4806964

Its a vital step in the research department that all members should know how to do:
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...=1#post4528149

[PrivateParts]

Let's put reviews into perspective. If your friend tells you he had lousy service and overcooked steak at your favorite restaurant, do you accuse them of lying? Do you post combative reviews on Yelp suggesting the problem was with the reviewer? Conversely if you had a poor experience do you accuse the positive reviewers of secretly getting kick-backs from the business? Of course not. You post your experiences (positive or not) and let the review ratings average out.

Same should be true with escort reports. Coming to the defense of an escort in response to a poor review is a form of white knighting. Questioning another member (especially a respected senior) is worse. Those who have really strong opinions about their positive (or negative) experiences with a provider may be tempted to argue. Don't do it. Besides getting your post deleted by Admin it's just a bad look for you in a community where we help each other. There are lots of valid reasons why two mongers will have vastly different experiences. There is also the reality that members can give a misleading positive or negative review for whatever reason. That's where multiple reviews are necessary. Even 5 star restaurants will have the outlier 1 star review. If everyone posts honest reviews about there own experiences the average will speak for itself. See Ron's message.

[AlixWallace]

You guys are not the only ones who fall in that trap. As a provider I've done it on two occasions and I've been in this business for 2 years. If the girlfriend experience is done right it can be an incredible experience, and then on the other hand if you get caught up in it, it can be a horrible experience.

Either way it's important for both parties. Understand it's an illusion it's not real. It is not time for a divorce it is not time for you to leave your wife. Ended as sure as hell is not time for us to encourage it. And unfortunately too many times that happens. Providers by our very nature are manipulative do. We know what to say, we know what to wear, we know what to do. Some of us are Masters at our craft and make the Illusion 2 real and we fall into it.

I'd like to know what the hell my point was but at this point I'm just going to say the girlfriend experience is fine as long as I ain't got to call you in the morning.

[PrivateParts]

Too many mongers forget we are paying for a provider's time and services. The good providers might make us feel special, provide the GFE. That's great, but don't forget the letter "E" stands for experience. It's not real. Think of her as the neighborhood bartender. You may get to know each other, perhaps very well, and she'll keep you happy. But at the end of the night you always pay and leave. Do you text the bartender sweet nothings before falling asleep or the first thing next morning? No. But if you see her tomorrow she'll be happy to serve you again, just like any other paying customer. The escort is no different.

Don't ever forget that. Two main reasons:

1) if you get confused you can appear like a stalker. When a good, independent escort feels like she's being stalked it ruins it for the rest of us. They get jittery. They ghost guys unexpectedly. They change phones and lose the text history for their "good regulars". Or they retreat / pull away from the hobby, move to a new city, take a new name or get "protection". Guys don't even realize they are doing it.

2) you risk being taken advantage of, especially from those providers who are doing this as their way of life or have habits. Those types will eventually fall into a bad situation and you'll be the one they call. Be it drugs, money, a place to stay, a sketchy favor, whatever. They will need something and if you don't come through they may have leverage on you. If you think it's real you will have let your guard down; shared your personal number, your real name, taken photos with her, poured your heart out in details of your marriage. Proceed with caution or it won't end well.

There are exceptions of course, but by and large whatever special relationship you think you have will likely be one sided. Over time you may consider her as a "friend", forgetting that that you pay to see her. To her you are a loyal paying customer. Don't lose sight of that. This isn't Pretty Woman. You aren't her White Knight.

All providers have stalker stories. Don't be that guy that takes it too far.

[PrivateParts]

As moderator of the blog I'm going to stop future posts on law / criminal topics because I don't feel this is the appropriate forum for legal advice. Perhaps another user blog will focus on stings so mongers / providers with personal experiences can share. I am not aware of local LEO focusing on "john" stings but it is a real concern that mongers should be aware of:

https://time.com/sex-buyers-why-cops...y-prostitutes/

This post is purely opinion along with some articles for reference. Take it for what it's worth. As Senior Member Arish pointed out, LEO can do some very shady things in prostitution and "John" stings. It may not result in getting a conviction, but for many Johns the damage is already done with an arrest and court appearance:

https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.co...tion-rings.htm

The following advice is debatable but I would say if a provider advertises with a naked picture or sends you one in correspondence then it is highly likely it's not LEO. It's against the law to use "pornographic" images of another without their consent, so I don't think LEO would risk their entire sting operation by possibly violating state / federal laws on Internet pornography. I'm no law professor, but that argument seems reasonable especially considering how many mongers reply to ads that don't include naked pictures. A LEO sting would be just as effective without having to post naked images online.

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(nej...e=mcl-750-145e


Likewise I find it highly unlikely a female officer would willingly publish nude pictures of herself online (especially if it included her face, and definitely not without a significant bump to her civil servant salary). So I say it's a safe bet if you get a naked picture of a woman and that same woman answers the door, you are good to go.

But that's not to say a legit provider has to give nudes to prove she's not LEO. Many low volume providers won't ever show their face or provide nudes for the same reasons you wouldn't. But for the strictly risk adverse, stick with the known providers.

For the unknown provider, follow all other precautions once you agree to have a date. Circle the block looking for suspicious vehicles and don't park right in front of the address. Beware of multiple providers operating out of a residence and / or those that include drug activity. Men coming and going from a residence all through the night will be reported as nuisance and get LEO's attention.

https://fox17online.com/2019/07/02/e...on-in-wayland/

"John" stings more than likely will operate at low budget motels with external entries because cop budgets are minimal, it provides an easy "raid" entry and serves as a visual deterrent in a common prostitution area. The John stings are meant to be a deterrent so it will be in areas of other criminal activity. Operating a sting out of a vacation or business type of hotel doesn't have the same impact on the community and will in fact hurt the hotel business. So you can bet the nicer hotels with lawyers won't support it.

If you enter a motel with an adjoining room, make sure that door is locked before you say anything more than "hello". Nothing good will walk through that adjoining room door so if it's unlocked, leave. Try not to talk about services in person until sexual contact has been initiated. Negotiations for $ and time can done prior via text without explicit talk. Let her initiate sexual contact or get naked before any explicit talk.

This is the way to Michigan define solicitation...

https://statelaws.findlaw.com/michig...tion-laws.html

If you did negotiate via text, don't bring your phone with incriminating evidence on it. Leave it in your car and park far away if it's safe to do so.

Using computer to commit a crime

By parking far enough away it may appear you walked. If you are unfortunate enough to be caught in a sting your car will be impounded if they saw you drive. So don't admit it. Paraphrasing Alixx, if you get caught shut up and admit nothing.

https://www.michigancapitolconfident...s-to-reform-it