Sugar Baby Guide

**Gexem** · 10-29-20 18:49

About banned accounts. There's a good chance they saved your IP address as part of the banning. So if you make a new account, it's best to do it using a VPN (or different server if you already have one).

**SmithJon** · 10-29-20 10:44

Originally Posted by Bth9318 [View Original Post]

Okay so I made a new account. Different email different pictures. Account was approved. Waited a week to upgrade. Used a friend's credit card so as not to use the same name or account numbers and the account was immediately suspended. So any of you guys get banned and were able to create new accounts how did you do it? Thanks guys.

I had an account banned because I said something like "have private, friends with benefits time. In return, I'll help support you financially" which they saw solicitation. I figured it out and emailed them to tell them I'd change the words and they unbanned me with a warning. Just don't like sex for money in any way and you can say all kinds of things. Also, don't message the girls with direct offers, always do that off the site. They can report you and get you banned too. SA wants your business so I recomend you reach out and tell them you understand why they banned you and you won't do it again.

**Bth9318** · 10-29-20 10:08

Okay so I made a new account. Different email different pictures. Account was approved. Waited a week to upgrade. Used a friend's credit card so as not to use the same name or account numbers and the account was immediately suspended. So any of you guys get banned and were able to create new accounts how did you do it? Thanks guys.

**Gexem** · 10-20-20 15:02

My current SA run is coming to an end as well. I did three months this time, and early on it was slim pickings. But it picked up in the last 3-4 weeks. Maybe school coming back in session helped, even with all the lockdown stuff. It took a ton of work, with dozens of messages, and several times I had to report scammers. But persistence pays off!

I've found three that I'm fairly happy with seeing, each a couple times a month. It's not super cheap. I'm spending about 200 each session. But for me it's worth it. They're 20,23, 27 and every session is at least a couple of hours with 2 or more shots on goal. And there's actual conversation, sometimes go out to dinner or similar, what I consider GFE. Nothing like most of the STG girls. I'll be sticking with these as long as they last.

**Anonwmlatam** · 10-16-20 14:09

Well it's been one hell of a ride, I'll summarise a bit of the girls again and some other observations.

Barista spinner 22, still my go to, fucks like it's our first time every time. Hasn't done bareback since the first night, but I don't mind. We get along well and the sex is great. Ppm is also very affordable and deal. I do a lot of listening and hanging out and it pays off in the sex.

Goth spinner 22, this one wants me to visit soon and sends me pics and vids. Looking forward to seeing her soon.

Nurse 26, Jesus this one I thought for sure was a scam, really hot and wanted to meet ASAP. We meet and she does lots of talking and I do my game of actively listening and after 3 hours of drinking and listening I suggest we move to the bed. FUCK! Bareback and MSOG till we were both dead tired. We talked and layed down for another hour. Another ATF UTR for my Rolodex.

College bartender 24, I'm doing my waiting game here. Hot legs and decent face and seems right for a long term thing. Talked while we did some light shopping and we're looking for times to meet again soon.

Tips: I cancelled my account twice since starting, and every time I restarted I found a gem almost immediately, I don't know if it's random or luck but I wanted to note that. The sorority 22 yr old girl I saw ended up being aggressive after I told her I was going to move on. She replied to my nice let down text by saying "well if I see any of my vids online I'll know it's you and pressing charges" it spooked me for a sec but then I remember that I know her full name and her parent is a LEO, so not only would I never post her pics / vids ever but also if she tried to claim that I did I'll call that bluff.

Take it or leave it but I've found that being patient, going through lots of profiles, being honest, really nice, but direct has helped me get to the next level, then maintaining all those things but adding actively listening has been my winning combo. I think I'll stick to this till I can't and keep seeing Deb H whenever we're in the same city.

Live it up gents, there's ALWAYS more fish in the see, be nice and don't ruin it for the rest of us. Happy fishing!

**Bth9318** · 10-05-20 23:26

Thanks for all the advice.

**Charlie441** · 10-04-20 23:08

Basically, don't talk price thru the site. You just throw it out there to meet up for a drink or something and we can talk -- or give them your (burner) # and chat about it thru that.

IMO, the most you say is that you'll make it worth their while, and you can talk details on phone or some place to meet at. Unless the girl thinks you seem like a cool guy she wouldn't mind having fun with in general and you paying the tab (definitely not a pro) -- she'll want to talk on the phone or thru some I'm program.

Some will bring it up via the site. Avoid answering it. Steer off-site.

**PrivateParts** · 10-04-20 19:58

I came across some anecdotal stories while reading up on the sugar baby sites that makes me very cautious. A few points to consider.

First, I do believe the sites scan messages for key words that will flag suspect messages for further review. I've read woman complaints of getting booted from the site simply for messaging guys their basic monetary expectations. So it goes both ways. I believe that's how the site can stay in business even though majority of users are soliciting an arrangement. Gexem has good advice for using indirect terms, but the other recommendation is to get a text or external email ASAP to talk more freely.

Second, I'm very suspicious of any site that encourages men to create a public profile indicating their wealth, marital status and / or need for discretion. It's ripe for scammers / blackmail. So if you contact a baby and she won't send a confirmation pic I would think you're immediately getting played. Remember: ANYONE can sign up as a female for free with no verification, so be careful.

The combination of the above and experience with Craigslist makes me think you might have guys using fake baby profiles in an attempt to get rid of the competition. They bait men who's profile they feel is a threat and report them for solicitation to get them off the site. Craigslist users are notorious for flagging competing ads for removal, whether it be a sale, service or M4 W ad. I can't say I know for sure it happens on either SA or SB but I certainly wouldn't doubt it. Or maybe I should take my tin foil hat and go home?

**Gexem** · 10-04-20 17:01

Originally Posted by Bth9318 [View Original Post]

Well I finally hooked up with a 19 yr old lives 5 min. From me. Found another who I'm sure is a pro but never meet before. So I just start to get a little traction and they boot me for solicitation. What the fuck. I asked for clarification. I have been very careful about that. So the jokes on them 4 days til reup. I'm surprised they didn't wait. I'll keep updating.

I'm pretty sure the solicitation thing only comes up if a girl reports you. I do my best to always use "allowance" and "playtime" and similar phrases when on SA itself, and if a girl wants to be more explicit I tell her to text me. That way even if a girl complains you have the fig leaf of those phrases to fall back on. The SA people are generally going to be pretty lenient, they get their money from us and don't want to kick off paying members.

**Bth9318** · 10-03-20 22:37

Well I finally hooked up with a 19 yr old lives 5 min. From me. Found another who I'm sure is a pro but never meet before. So I just start to get a little traction and they boot me for solicitation. What the fuck. I asked for clarification. I have been very careful about that. So the jokes on them 4 days til reup. I'm surprised they didn't wait. I'll keep updating.

**Bth9318** · 09-30-20 02:34

Well coming up on a month since I've joined this thing. I would say I don't know 99% of the girls I've talked to you are either fake or they want to sell you pictures. I do have a nineteen-year-old I'm talking to and I've been talking to for almost a week she hasn't asked for money or try to sell me anything can actually describe the local area so I believe she's real. Not sure what she looks like because it's not a very good picture on the site and she won't send me any so who knows. I do know the first thing I'll be asking for is to see her I'd to make sure she's of age. I think I have her talking because call me most guys are talking sex and money within the first three minutes. I told her if you're looking to get paid just to talk that's a rough way to make a living. She said that is not what she's looking for but she would at least like to get to know somebody pretty well before going to bed with them so I'll keep you updated. We're supposed to meet up for dinner Saturday and already set straight that I'm not paying to meet her for dinner just for the dinner and she's good with that so possibly one. And then I have a date set up with a 23 year old who basically went right to how much was I willing to pay. She's in Grand Haven I know the talent in Muskegon as far as the pros go and I don't recognise her as one but I haven't got a verification pic yet either so who knows. We did discuss an overnighter 12 hours for 300 bucks with multiple shots on goal so we'll see how that pans out we're going to meet for dinner first before we move on to anything else. But I did in the last week see a couple Old Pros that I did recognise. Megan from Muskegon I think she tried to Blackmail somebody once she's going under the name autumn flower. Talk to her for a little bit she wanted $400 for 2 hours which is insane she's good-looking but I was doing her two years ago for a hundred and fifty. The other one was Sophia I think she also goes by something blue has a big tattoo a rose honor chest she was operating out of Muskegon about a year ago and then out of Grand Rapids a few years before that with lousy reviews I contacted her she has not contacted me back I would avoid both of them unless you can get Megan to come down but like I said she tried to Blackmail somebody so. That's my update.

**Charlie441** · 09-28-20 21:53

Originally Posted by Bth9318 [View Original Post]

I bit the bullet and joined. Its pretty much been a waste of time. I'm 6 ft 235 have a nice head of brown hair so it's not like I look 72 or anything.

From my experiences on SA, girls vary. A lot. A majority, albeit not a super-duper majority, are straight-up amateur or semi-amateur escorts, with a few true pros sprinkled in there. But even among them, their expectations, attitude, and POV vary a decent amount. The prices can be ridiculously high on here, notably with real college hotties, although you can find some Great looking girls who are semi-amateur and it's potentially worth taking a stab at it. Many of them will be open to the next "version".

Then a chunk of them are wanting an actual Sugar Daddy / Baby arrangement -- as if you're "dating" on-the-side. Like $x per month to help with their bills, while meeting up 2, maybe 3 times each month -- and doing this for a handful of months, at least. The odd thing is after a little normal / expected online chit-chat, as found on actual dating sites, prior to meeting -- most are wanting to know if you're wanting to set up such an "arrangement" right before you even meet. That's as odd as trying to agree with a really cute girl on any "normal" dating site, whether she's up for being an item, prior to your first date. Most end up understanding that you'll feel that out on your first meetup -- and after you get to know each other in person, first. Most that is, who like you as a potential match for such an endeavor. A good % of these gals are OK with it just being a one-time fling, almost always with some monetary benefit (and many times quite high, as the straight-up amateur escorts are on there). But again, many of these gals aren't doing this as a "business", but instead a side-piece gig for their purse (or rent) -- so for many, it's a lot like, say, a Hooters gal who has such an idea, and with regulars she gets to know, is potentially willing to have such an arrangement. Obviously it's not going to be like a straight-up escort. It's sort of like just-for-fun sorta-part-time-dating-on-the-side, for $ benefit. Some of these gals will be willing to more or less Actually date you if they're not out of your league in looks + see you as a financially supportive guy. Which is basically like the next "version".

Then a small % of them are more treating it like Ashley Madison or Adult Friend Finder or something -- where they want to have an affair / FWB type of thing on-the-side, but with a guy who makes a lot of money. A few within this % are looking for an actual real BF / GF relationship only. So in this small batch, there isn't necessarily $ to be worried about.

And there is a good % of gals looking to just make a quick buck and are fake / shady and are highly likely not to execute on pulling the physical trigger. These can be kind of easy to spot after a couple message exchanges, if not read within their profile sending out clear clear signs.

All in all, it takes work as a real / normal personals site would to get a date, with more to look out for to dodge -- but easier to start "dating" if nothing about either of you is different than expected.

**PrivateParts** · 09-27-20 10:51

I spent a couple weeks on both Seeking Arrangement (SA) as well as Secret Benefits (SB) simply to evaluate them from a user experience. Anonwmlatam has had great success with SA recently but I wanted to try to compare between the two as best I could. Things to note: 1) I did this without actually paying the membership. 2) I used only the mobile website interface and not an App. In my experience SA is the better option of the two if you had to choose, but not without it flaws. Below is a detailed comparison how I reached this conclusion with some opinionated advice thrown in so you can make your own choice:

Account - both SA and SB need only an email to sign up so it should be easy to create a new profile if you get booted for violating terms of service.

Profile - Both give you ability to write a profile but SB limits the character count while SA you can write a book. SA wins this comparison hands down even though most guys fail to take advantage of it. Why does this matter? Because your written profile is how you get a women interested and differentiate you from the others. You can infuse charm, intrigue, humor, rewards, etc into your profile as to why you'll be a good Daddy to get them interested (or it's there for them to read when you message). You write a good profile about YOU once, then per baby you write a tailored introduction message to HER. Unless you have model good looks I think a well written profile is your greatest asset. SA is better for that without question.

Email notifications - both allowed you to set which activity generated an email to you. The SA email notifications were more timely and accurate (see User Activity).

User Activity - both feature insight if your profile has been viewed, favorited, messaged, etc, however SA gives better insight. SB's user activity can't be trusted. For example, EVERY baby who viewed me on SB also messaged me within the SAME minute and NEVER viewed me again. ? It's simply not plausible and therefore untrustworthy. On SA I could see which baby viewed my profile multiple times over the course of the week. That information is vital in determining which women is worth the time to craft your best "hey baby" message intro message.

Private Photos - both sites have this which is good for the married members to keep their face off the website. However nearly all babies had public face pics so the "hidden" ones are just more of the same. SA wins because it's free to request private photos which is useful as another wink-wink tool in addition to the heart icon. Compare that to SB which charges you to view them (see Cost comparison). In my opinion the baby's secret album in SB is a money scam for the simple minded.

Verification - Both claim to have ways to verify a baby (or you) is real. The SA photo verification is a joke because you can fool it without using your own pic (I used a pic that looked nothing like me). SA also allows verification by social media, but you can't view the baby's verification for yourself. SB however uses a video verification method so you can watch it yourself and SEE the woman without her instagram glam filter. That is the best feature SB has going for it.

Searching - SA search is much better hands down.

Real Woman usage - I saw a number of the same women on both sites including pros, but they appeared to be more active (or recently active) on SA than on SB. I gravitated to using SA more often than SB so I think women will too.

Fakes - both have fakes profiles, sometimes hilariously obvious. Some babies on SA actually have put a copyright notice on their profile to prevent the site from using their likeness elsewhere. I suspect profiles are re-used across the country / world to make it appear like there are more women out there. I found evidence in profile text and pictures they aren't from GR. I've also read on multiple forums that SB will send auto generated messages to Daddies (from real women's profiles) in an attempt to get the guy to start conversations. I believe that to be true. I say its a tie, where SA may have more volume of fakes but SB tries to fool you into spending valuable credits to just get ghosted (see Cost below).

Noise - Both SA and SB I got messages and favorites from women you wouldn't expect (some BEFORE I completed my profile). You can call it fakes, scammers, or women shotgunning messages to all men hoping for an online daddy. SA was by far a lot worse as I had to filter out a lot (see local women comparison). The noise on SB died down for me after only a few days of creating my account, so SB wins.

Local Women - The first week on both sites I was viewed and favorited by mainly local women. But after week 1 on SA (without paying a membership) I started started getting favorited or messaged by women from all over the world?? Nothing in my profile asked for that. I found this to be annoying and I attribute it to the site running out of fake local profiles to temp me into subscribing to read the messages. SB on the other hand just diminished the frequency after week 2. Winner here is SB for not giving me daily messages from Mexico & Ecuador as SA did.

Free Interaction - This is key for those who want to test the site before paying the membership fee. I found SA to be much better in interacting without messaging. SA you can request private pictures, see if the baby actually read your request or not, and give your private pictures as well as see if she viewed them (see Activity comparison). Caution: if you aren't going to buy the membership you risk annoying without messaging and could be blocked. The point here is I found more action on SA than I did on SB.

Messaging - ultimately you'll need to pay to read / send messages (see cost). The thing to note is SA also has a video chat function built into their interface. I'm not sure if SB does. Video chat is a must before setting up an in person date from both her perspective and yours. If one of you is crazy, the other can use the block feature. SA wins because it has this video calling built in whereas on SB you'd need to convince the baby to contact you outside of the safety of their site.

Cost - SA wins if you intend to find a baby soon, SB wins if you have time and are surgical in your pursuit. Do the math: $90 on SA gets unlimited messaging for 30 days. So that's 1 month to get as many phone numbers, emails, social media names etc as you can. SB on the other hand uses credits - 10 credits to start a conversation, 10 credits to view an album (waste of money). The SB $59 intro package is 100 credits, which is 10 women you can message assuming you don't waste money on photos. If you get a 10% response rate that's 1 woman who might respond. The next tiier is $169 for 500 credits. So that's 50 women you can message without a time constraint, and so on. On SB you need to be selective, and patient, considering the well documented bot message technique they use. Ashley Madison was found guilty of doing it where they claimed it was to "enhance the user experience" to get messages, but since SB essentially charges you to read these fake messages it equates to fraud in my book. I think SA is a better cost option.

PrivateParts Cheat - without buying memberships, I created similar profiles on both sites with hidden messages to contact women via outside means. This is prohibited and both do a decent job shutting it down so you need to be clever. Nevertheless I did, and was able to successfully get 7 women I was eyeing on SA to contact me directly. Again I did this without paying a membership, within just a few days. Compare that to SB where I got 0 bites using the same technique for over 3 weeks of trying. It's not the most efficient way of picking up women but it's the second time I've done this and proves to me that SA has more active women who are serious. The best part is I hooked up with a young, open relationship spinner as her new NSA / FWB, not as a Daddy (and I still had 2 other viable candidates on the hook). SA wins the test as having more fertile grounds while I win with new free hookups!

My conclusion is that Seeking Arrangement is the better site if you want to dabble. I wouldn't waste money on SB based on my evaluation.

**Anonwmlatam** · 09-21-20 17:06

As always the lineup has shifted a lot so I'll use the same format to be brief and to the point.

22, artist spinner. Ok so this one took some time chatting and getting to know, as well as going to get drinks, but she has jumped to the top as my ATF UTR. Super tight body, she does some entry level modeling on the side, and nice plump ass. I have a nice connection with her and got to know a lot about her, and I genuinely like her as a person. It pays to listen and be nice gents because DAMN! We went back to her place and "watched movies" she couldn't wait to jump in bed. Nice BBBJ, then I DATY to what I believe must be the first time she's been eaten out bc wow she was into it and came twice. Might be the young guys she's been with don't take the time. Anyway after a while of DATY, she's begging for me to fuck her. So mish, and she's wild and is all over me. She loves to ride so I oblige and she really starts pounding away. Like shaking the bed and rattling the windows pounding. I'm into and and blow soon, then we lay back and talk and she starts falling asleep, so I tap her after a bit to see if she's asleep but I wake her and she wants a round two, so more pounding but she wants it doggy. So more moaning and pounding and I think this one for sure is putting her to sleep. NOPE! We are laying and I'm spooning her and after a few minutes when I'm sure she's asleep she reaches back and pulls it out again and starts tugging and wants to go for round 3. I told her to hold on so I can grab a condom. She wants it and jams it in. Started pumping and told her I should really put a rubber on. So she tells me to just come on her ass. So its safe to say she's my ATF UTR, never asked for money, just wanted someone nice to listen to her, be nice to her, and of course I picked up the bill. I gave her a modest gift and she was super grateful.

25, MILF. I forget the ages on them sometimes because I delete the SA inbox messages and jump straight to text, but I've talked about her before. She's nice and think but a little soft around the edges. She wants me bad, but I put her on ice because of the artist spinner. And when I think about it I think I'm going to drop her because Debra Hollander is perfectly thick for me and is a lot more simple to schedule. This MILF I'd have to set up a hotel because she's driving in.

22, barista goth artist. So my patience paid off with this one and I finally got her to bite again, and we met up and had a blast just talking and getting to know each other. So another spinner with a juicy ass. We haven't done the deed yet, but we're planning on meeting soon again. Again she seemed to respond quicker and for longer when I started to connect with her outside of just hooking up. I think I'm onto something gents!

19, sorority girl. The hook is set deep into this one. She hits me up several times weekly wanting to meet up again. I'm going to keep her on the line until she lets herself off or until she lowers ask and gets kinkier. The ass is nice, but not that nice, and I love eating clam so with that off the table I'll just wait.

28, local professional. This one took me for a surprise when she finally responded and engaged. She's sears catalog model type material, but has real nice curves. What can I say, the Dutch have nice genes! Anyway she dropped her other offers to me and when she told me she was getting 5 K a month offers, I politely congratulated her and said my door was always open. She agreed, and said there was no harm in meeting up for lunch and see what happens. So I'll be patient here too.

21, thick model. This one was upfront about her ask and I led her on a bit and then said I had to cancel. Since then she's been hitting me up regularly to meet. I'll let this one sit on the line until she comes to her senses.

Honorable Mentions:

20, Girl next door. Upfront about asks, and her dos and donts. Convo was good until she stopped replying. Will wait.

23, Cheerleader. This one has been on and off, but it looks like we're connecting decently. So I'm long term investing here hoping it pays off. The hint is when they are genuine about their life and what they've been through and what's going on in their life. The truth sounds like something between a sob story and a boring day. That's how I know I'm onto something real.

25, Barista grad student. This one really threw me off. She was hard to get at first then we started talking and got down to brass tax, so I'm my cautious self and say I like to take my time and be sensual and soft (which is true, but its not the only thing I like) Well she hits me with the "well, that's a problem since I like getting absolutely destroyed" So I'm like oh yeah? And we go into details and set up an intro Saturday dinner. The morning of I confirm and she says " I have a feeling this is all just about sex, I'm not interested anymore". So I say, it doesn't have to be just about that, but if she wants me to stop texting her I will. She says yes please stop. So I do, because. THERES MORE FISH IN THE SEA!

Ok well this is likely the last post since I think I have the rotation I want to keep. Happy fishing gents!

**SmithJon** · 09-17-20 16:02

Originally Posted by Gexem [View Original Post]

I've tried that but gotten absolutely nowhere. Did you do a "gold membership" or whatever they're calling the paid version?

I did Tinder+ which is prettty cheap and let's me set different locations and go back if I go past someone. It also gives me 5 super like a day, which is important go get the hot one's attention. Tinder suspended a couple different profiles before I figured out the language you can use on your profile; don't mention sugar daddy or mutually beneficial.