Is WashAccount a Serial Antagonist?

[Admin]

Greetings everyone,

After careful consideration of the poll results and the comments from the Forum Members, I have decided to take the following action.

1. WashAccount has been given his own thread, where I have moved all of his reports and those reports from other Forum Members who directly responded to or quoted his reports. Those of you who wish to join him in his new section are welcome to to so.

2. Lets Date has been given his own thread, where I have moved all of his reports and those reports from other Forum Members who directly responded to or quoted his reports. Those of you who wish to join him in his new section are welcome to to so.

3. The reports posted by WashAccount under his alias Lets Mate have been moved to a seperate thread, where I assume that they will die from inattention.

I appreciate everyone's involvement in helping me identify the true perpetrators of the discord in this forum. Perhaps now, everybody can get back to the subject of this Forum, which is:

"The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information between Men on the subject of finding Women for Sex."

Thanks,

Jackson

[Ronald Jeramy]

Jackson,

This board is great. Having said that, Lets Date was such a dick weed with all his fake postings and bogus pictures.

I really think you have the wrong guy here. If the rubber don't fit? You must acquit!

[Stoner]

Sorry Jackson...You are defining Let's Date action as annoying. As I previously explained, I consider it destructive to finding women and getting laid.

I think that is one of the most saddest statements I've ever read on this board.

I can't for the life of me, after reading the threads understand how his posts is literally destroying your ability to fuck.

Pick up your pride, man...its dropping. Man up!

The issue is regarding WA. It makes sense to keep the discussion relevant to him. The mere fact that he created a second account just to hype, is worthy of booting, imo. But he has the right to speak, imo, as long as its relevant.

[Zaphod II]

I decide to throw a big ass party for anyone who wants to show up and enjoy themselves. This party goes on for some time and everyone is having a good time. Somewhere in the night Harry starts to tell a story, but Joey does not like his story and begins to start a commotion because of it.

The other guests don't mind the storytelling and some of them actually find it entertaining. But Joey does not like the storyteller and begins to become disruptive because he told Harry to stop and he won't. My other guests don't want to see the party ruined so they try to calm Joey down, but he will not here of it, he really hates Harry and his stories and won't calm down until he stops telling his stories.

This goes on for a several hours, I am on the other side of the house (it's a really big house) and one of my buddies comes over and says "hey see Joey over there he's pissed off at that dude Harry over there and he's bringing the whole group down you think you can go talk to him"

So I ask what the problem is and I don't see Harry's storytelling to be a big deal, Joey does not like that answer and begin to tell me how I should be running my party that I let him attend. Lots of the other guests just want me to kick Joey out but I don't want anyone to get kicked out so I try to resolve the issue, things don't get any better. So what should I do now?

The moral of this is as I stated before, This is Jackson's Board, we are all guests here. He is nice enough to run this board for FREE with no restrictions on navigation of it. If you remember a few months ago this board was down for quite a long time due to DOS attacks, but the boards was once again given life on hardened servers to prevent these attacks from being effective, this all costs money, despite that I have seen no significant advertising on this board.

It would be nice if the disruptive elements (you know who you are) would simply stop it and things would just return to normal, but I seriously doubt that will happen because it simpler to to cry foul when you don't get your way.

Who is in the right and who is in the wrong, I don't know guess there is data to support both sides but this does have to come to an end one way or another.

Z

[Lets Date]

I read through his posts and arrived at this one from 10-25-04 where he catogorizes Korean men into ONLY 2 categories.click here

South Korean Men

I have seen many South Korean men in grocery stores and business
places in Philly, New York City and of course all over South Korea.

Generally most are trim or even very slim, and they tend to retain their hair in
old age, though it changes in color to silver.

I was always impressed at how distinguished they look and the pride they take in their appearance and the way they carry themselves.

The exceptions have been the gang members or would be gang members;
they are fat, rude, mannerless and violent toward their women.

Which South Korean is Sam Katz?

The major infraction here, outside of the obvious fact that he doesn't make his money as a sociologist, is that the quoted post was his way of entering a flame between two other members (Sam Katz & Nip Tuck). Is York a serial busy body?

It seems to me that many of my detractors are hypocrites. They say that I post fiction, spam, and hog up space etc.. But when I look through there posts I see entire news articles posted. I see several flames with different members across the States. I also see outright chatroomesque conversations. I could never be charged with any of those infractions, nor do those infractions bother me at all. That's one of the most beautiful parts about this board. You can find out so much about a member just by reading there posts.

Before I ever utilized the ignore feature, I always knew how to Page Up and Page Down to skip over posts that didn't suit my needs. One member stated that "fiddling" with the ignore feature would be too much, another monger added that wading through posts in a different unfamiliar thread just to deem a member fit for the ignore list was also too time consuming. What do I say to this?........ Page Up and Page Down

[Bolitho]

Quote:

What Wash did is not appropriate under normal circumstances, but this LD character was totally hogging the Philadelphia thread, for over a month and it had been reported to the Administrator.

What Wash did is against the rules. There *is* no excuse, no circumstance, that warrants the breaking of said rules. If people have problems with a poster, they have choices. 1: Report said post to the Admin. 2: Make use of the ignore button. Do that, and the offending post disappear. Or is that too difficult? 3: Do both.

What clutters up the board is this whining and moaning about what you can never prove is fiction or reality. The peace and harmony of this board was not disrupted by LD, but by W/J. His very first post, about photographs, set the tone. Then the incessent onslought against a poster. To what end? To cause disruption. And he has succeeded.

If Jackson finds that LD is a problem, *He* will deal with it. On our end, use the blasted ignore button. Unless you favor the W/J method.

This thread is about Wash/Jermaine. Is he a Serial Antagonist? The reasons he acted as he has are not important. It doesn't matter if LD posts fiction or not. That is not an issue.

[York]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Admin

To those of you who think that WA should be applauded for doing my job, consider this scenario: I see a guy on the street, and I decide I don't like what he's saying, so I start to beat him up. As the police arrive to pull me off the guy, I start screaming "Hey, you guys should be thanking me for doing your job."
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The Administrator's Analogy is not applicable in the Lets Date/Washaccount
instance.

The Aministrator's example has "the police (just) arrive to pull me off the
guy".

In the LD/Wash case, the Administrator IS the police, AND has been
aware of the problem of LD postings and of LD/Wash for some time,
AND has been monitoring it AND has not done anything about it visible to
us (though had perhaps done something behind the scenes).

And when I created a new thread entitled "Lets Date" for LD to post
with such a suggestiion, it got deleted; I assume only the Administrator
has authority to delete someone else's posting of a new thread.

What Wash did is not appropriate under normal circumstances, but this
LD character was totally hogging the Philadelphia thread, for over a
month and it had been reported to the Administrator.

That is precisely why sympathy does exists for Washaccount.

[Dark Phoenix]

Wooly writes:

You are defining Let's Date action as annoying. As I previously explained, I consider it destructive to finding women and getting laid.

Again, you can take whatever side you want on this dispute, but I have to put the question to Wooly: Putting your dislike of Lets Date aside (and bearing in mind that I have no love of his posts either), can you honestly say that Washaccount has done anything to assist you in finding women/getting laid? No. He's never posted a useful provider review. His very first post questions why anyone would do so in the first place. He has devoted almost all of his effort to flaming an individual he doesn't like. You may share that dislike, and perhaps we need to put Lets Date to a referendum, but that's another question for another day.

Also, your take on the analogy offered by Jackson and myself is off the mark. What we're talking about is not stopping a criminal offense in progress (your rape analogy). We're talking about conduct that when conducted off-line constitutes the criminal offense of stalking. If I stalk and harrass someone who has done nothing to deserve it other than annoy me subjectively and has committed no crime, am I justified in exacting a Sicilian style vendetta? Absolutely not. Not even if other people dislike the subject of my obsessive behavior.

You are being asked a simple question in this poll. Does WA's conduct run afoul of a clearly stated policy? You're not in high school (at least I hope not) and you're not being asked to take sides in a popularity contest.

That's why I titled my post in this thread yesterday, "Michael Jackson Jurors." Another group who can't seem to keep their eye on the ball in front of them. You're being asked a simple question if the elements of a defined offense are met. It's probably no secret to anyone familiar with my posts that I'm in the legal profession. To me, the demonstrated inability of many posters, even senior posters, to simply address the question being asked goes a long way toward explaining, in my mind, why the jury system is so fucked up.

You clearly don't like Lets Date, but that's NOT THE QUESTION. Stop injecting irrelevant considerations. Please, ead the policy, and decide if its been violated. The answer is clearly yes, and that's coming from someone who can't stand either of these folks already. Which is why I "ignore" both.

With regard to Lets Date, it's not a valid defense of him to say he'll provide info by PM, since I've reached out to him in this fashion without response. No big loss, since I'm not interested in skanky fat black gals with pics ripped off from commercial websites, but it did validate in my mind that he's probably not as on the level as many give him credit for simply by virtue of senior status.

With regard to Washaccount, he's a lurker who has a hardon which he seems incapable of putting to its intended use. He may have a valid critique, but enough already. If he hadn't started his career on this board with a statement contrary to the entire purpose of the board, I might have some more sympathy. But a lurker is a lurker is a lurker, and that's all he is. Nor is it his duty or privilege to dictate what is satisfactory content. It's not his board, he's not an administrator. "Satisfactory" is a subjective standard. Here, the question is black and white but seems to elude many. That's a shame.

[Wooly]

To those of you who think that WA should be applauded for doing my job, consider this scenario: I see a guy on the street, and I decide I don't like what he's saying, so I start to beat him up. As the police arrive to pull me off the guy, I start screaming "Hey, you guys should be thanking me for doing your job."

Sorry Jackson,
By your analogy, if I see a guy trying to rape an 11 yr old girl, I should wait for the cops to arrive.

You are defining Let's Date action as annoying. As I previously explained, I consider it destructive to finding women and getting laid.

[Spanky Spank]

Let's get rid of them both. If washaccount or whomever he is was multiple screen names then he should be banned for that. We don't even need to discuss this matter. Case closed.

(Also you have be a real dope to register mutiple logins from the same computer and not think Jackson would notice the IP address.)

That being said the Let's Mate stuff was very funny. Very wrong and against WSG rules, but still very funny.

Let's Date should be banned too. At least get a poll. I think if the majority of Philly mongers think he was writing fiction then get him out of here too. I realize some viewers enjoy fiction, but is that really the mission of this board? It's one thing to stretch the truth and occasionally tell a white lie. It's another matter to cheapen the board, by posting post after post of garbage.

Jackson I look at it this way. If the majority of posters posted in Let's Date's method would the board still be able to accomplish it's mission statement, let alone would anyone want to read it? I think not.

[Admin]

I'm seriously urging my fellow members to vote to get rid of Washaccount. I see a significant amount of people who seem to think that no action should be taken against him, but think most people who are seeing things in this light are not simply answering the question "Is WA a serial antagonist", but are rather people who (like me) are not crazy about Lets Date's posts.

If that's why folks are voting the way they are, they're missing the point. The "serial antagonist" policy is very clear, and defines the behavior which is prohibited in plain and simple terms. Washaccount's perverse vendetta falls within the definition of a serial antagonist as defined by board policy.

Even if you agree with the criticism of Lets Date, the fact of the matter is that his questionably useful posts don't clearly violate any policy. The "ignore" function is particularly well suited to dealing with posters who you think serve no purpose. However, merely spouting drivel is not the same as conduct which is clearly intended to harrass and annoy, which in WA's case has been so repetitively performed that it has become an annoyance in itself.

If I were to follow any of you around on the street voicing the same criticism of you with the same frequency, I would be subject to criminal prosecution. WA is lucky all he's subject to here is banishment.

Thanks Bigtime Monger. This is exactly my perspective. The subject of this thread is "Is WashAccount a Serial Antagonist?" I may decide to start a thread on Lets Date, but for now, let's stick to the subject.

To those of you who think that WA should be applauded for doing my job, consider this scenario: I see a guy on the street, and I decide I don't like what he's saying, so I start to beat him up. As the police arrive to pull me off the guy, I start screaming "Hey, you guys should be thanking me for doing your job."

Yea, right.

Thanks,

Jackson

[Spock962]

Lets Date is the problem man. How come you ain't asking bout him?

Greetings everyone,

FYI, Jermaine is a WashAccount alias.

Thanks,

Jackson

Yes Jackson,

Why are you not inquiring about Lets Date? I think the rule he would be in violation of may be. No Trolling: Please do not post any topic that disrupts the peace and harmony of this board. Don't create meaningless threads with the sole purpose of starting a dispute.

People have complained to you and directly to him to stop his fictional reports but his actions just continue to dilute the information here.

[Bolitho]

There are none as blind as those who refuse to see.

Read the forum policy. Wash/Jermaine is breaking it. Let's Date is not. As Bigtime Monger points out, the Serial Antagonist policy is very clear. The question is spelled out. Is Washaccount a Serial Antagonist? It is not called Is Let's Date a writer of fiction?

As for Let's Date having multiple accounts, the only one exposed has been Wash. Or is LD zipping across the Commomwealth of Pa faster that a speeding bullet?

Are LD's posts fiction? Maybe, maybe not. But unless you actually witness the event yourself, or have eyewitness reports of said event, you have no way to seperate fact from fiction.

The above quote is accurate. For those who try to make it about Let's Date instead of Washaccount/Jermaine.

[Layin Pipe]

Wooly,

Like WashAccount, you seem to have a personal vendetta against Lets Date. You seem to be convinced that he is the reincarnation of some “mystery” poster from your past and that he writes purely fictional posts.

You are absolutely correct in your assessment on this wanna-be. I have read his crap and am certain that he is the cretan who had infected the New Jersey board with his made-up stories.

Having been involved in the flaming of a similar fabricator on the New Jersey board a while back, I easily recognized that it was the same person (with a different user name) attempting to destroy the Philly board as he had the Jersey board.

Let's Date, or whatever name he chooses to use on a particular date, is a disease on this board.

You then go on to extol the virtues of WashAccount’s posts.

Washaccount has the vision to see the malignancy call our attention to it. For this service he is now subject to ridicule and possible exile…It is washaccount who should be praised.

As far as I can tell, WashAccount (aka Jermaine & Lets Mate) has only accomplished two things. First was a continuous assault on Lets Date & second was the posting of “purely fictional posts" which you detest.

The harm is that such pure fabrications obfuscate the intent of this board.

Cheney to Visit Philadelphia

WASHINGTON (WSG)
Vice President Cheney's office announced today that he will be visiting the Philadelphia area this week. "The Vice President has been staying in undisclosed locations ever since 9/11," his spokesman said, "and there are recent reports of numerous undisclosed locations in Philadelphia."

When asked what Mr. Cheney would be doing in these locations, the spokesman said, "negotiating about China."

Meanwhile, the Panamanian government today said that its famous dancer "China" had fled the country and was reportedly seeking asylum in Philadelphia at an undisclosed location.

It was unclear if the Vice President's trip is connected with this international crisis.

An advance team for the Vice President, including a black woman, a hispanic woman, and five flashily dressed men was spotted earlier this week in one of the undisclosed locations.

When asked how they they found the location, one of the men said, "Man, we just stumbled across it! We thought we could find out from a senior member of a local forum, but he just told us to go to 'an area without an Asian Community.' So I said, 'Say what? How is that supposed to help us?' And he said, 'Help you? I don't have to help nobody. I'm a senior member. Now excuse me, I got to go to the forum and tell some stories.'"

A White House spokesman expressed full confidence in Mr. Cheney's mission, saying "Once he is able to find his undisclosed location, we expect he will get the naked truth about China."

Jackson has confirmed that Jermaine is a WashAccount alias and now I am beginning to wonder if you created the WashAccount, Jermaine & Lets Mate monikers in order to further this personal grudge you have against Lets Date.

I also find it very interesting that you are so irritated by the “lack” of information in Lets Date’s posts. Lets Date has made it clear that he will only PM certain details rather than posting them in the open.

The PM feature of this board is the most desirable way to share and receive info because it serves to keep a great deal of the light off of this hobby. How irresponsible would it be of me or any member to post the address of an illegal Philadelphia brothel on this board? Now how helpful would it be for me to share that info with a fellow monger, by way of PM, who has proven that his interests lie in the enjoyment of this hobby and not the destruction of it.

I am in California and was curious about the UG clubs that Lets Date was attending so I sent him a PM. Lets Date replied by PM with the information I was seeking. The nice part is the information is relevant in California as well. What part of PM don’t you understand?

Layin Pipe

[Lets Date]

Hmmmm. I'm beginning to get the feeling that Wooly is another alias for my crazed fan. I am positive that my crazed fan wasn't originally a lurker. Just the sheer number of posts geared towards me as well as the obvious multiple aliases leads one to believe that my crazed fan is a board member who operates from a much older account(Wooly?).

If USAsexguide messageboard justice is carried out then it will be interesting to see just how many user names are banned at once. That gives us all something to look forward to on the 21st. Get out your popcorn fellow mongers cause this could just end up being historical..............Better yet hysterical.