2005 Archived Reports

[Crack Invader]

This was posted on the Indianapolis board by Chelli4me and he gave credit to the Minneapolis board; Chelli4me says "lotsa wisdom here" and I agree:

Damn good advise. Especially the 1st 5. Should be some kinda sticky or something.

Jones 211

[Member #4025]

This was posted on the Indianapolis board by Chelli4me and he gave credit to the Minneapolis board; Chelli4me says "lotsa wisdom here" and I agree:

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20 Rules for SW

1. IS SHE? - It ain't like in the movies - They wear ordinary clothes, and are just walking alone, or maybe making a phone call at a pay phone (but if you checked, there's no one on the line).

2. If you aren't sure, come back in a few minutes. Non-pros who happen to be walking are going somewhere, which isn't up and down the same stretch of road. And on hobbyist streets, the local women tend to avoid looking like they might be in business, unless they are!

3. If she is watching traffic, she's probably a SW.

4. If she makes eye contact with you, she's probably a SW.

5. If she then smiles at you, she is a SW. After all, you're just some dude driving by.

6. If she's with a "boyfriend", who disappears when you come around again, he's pimping her. Be careful! Don't unlock the door until she's ready to get in, with him nowhere to be seen! If you follow these rules, you're in control of the situation.

7. THE PICKUP - Pull over at the next parking lot, or around the next corner and park nearby. If you're sure she saw you - smile back at her! - then feel free to pull further down the block, so it's not so easily observed by LE. She'll casually turn down your block, walk up to see if you're letting her in. Keep eye contact, keep smiling - invite her in.

8. Lock the other doors! You're in a crime-filled neighborhood!

9. AVOIDING LE STINGS - Do not EVER EVER EVER discuss anything with a girl who isn't seated in your car, except to offer her a ride. THAT'S ALL YOU'RE DOING! IT'S LEGAL! Just being a nice guy... On every board I've seen, LE always tries to make the bust without the F LE risking her ass by getting in. READ THIS RULE AGAIN! IT'S IMPORTANT!

10. This is the perfect time for LE to pull you over for rolling through a stop sign, just to harass your ass. Drive like a preacher! It's an effective way of intimidating we hobbyists, and they'll use any opportunity if they're watching.

11. Make a turn or two before discussing $$, just in case. Watch your rear view - you can bet she will, too! I've never heard of LE getting in the car, with a follower, but better safe than sorry. A known LE trick - she doesn't get in, but directs you to meet her around the corner. Guess who's waiting there, instead of her? If she doesn't get in right away, move on!

12. AVOIDING SCAMS - If you do a car date, and you let her pick the spot (she'll try to direct you), be aware that she may be setting you up for a robbery. Don't settle for her spot - or at least, force her to come up with a second choice. Her boyfriend can't be in two places at once.

13. If you go back to a hotel, and she picked it, be aware that this could be a setup for cash&dash, or her pimp busting in & robbing you.

14. If you go back to her place - are you mad? The "boyfriend busting in mad, waving a gun" scam probably happens a lot - since the victims won't report the robbery, they get by with it, even though the victims know where the robbers are staying!

15. If you go back to your hotel, um, have fun! (OK, that's not a rule. If you go back to your hotel, be discreet so the mgmt doesn't call LE on you.)

16. If you go back to your house - are you really ok with a potentially-addicted SW knowing where you live?

17. WALLET - Do not leave your wallet within her reach. If you think you know a clever spot to hide it, remember that 100's of others have thought of it, too. While you're distracted, her free hand can be working...

18. MONEY - Do not have more in your pocket than you want to spend. She (and your dick) will talk it out of you. If she's really worth an extra few dollars, you can go get it (out of the trunk, the ATM, your other pocket, whatever). Current street rates are 20 for BJ, 40-50 for FS, and you can tip later if you think it's worth it. Remember, it isn't worth it just because you came. She'll always demand a tip, if she thinks it's coming. Many will claim they "usually charge more" - the word on this board is: they don't. But, hey, some of these girls are hard-working, quality-driven providers, even though they're SW (really - I mean it!), and they deserve a break.

19. HUNTING HOURS: They're out at all times, in most weather. I've heard of them walking as early as 4:30am, and well past midnight. They work the lunch hours for guys on lunch, afternoons for guys on early shifts, mornings for guys who'll be late for work, and all through the evening and night. If it's lightly raining, there will be less, but there will be some. Most of these girls are drug addicts; their addiction doesn't have a "M-F, excluding legal holidays" schedule.

20. CFS!!! Carry a condom. Usually, they don't have one (which I think is so fuc*ing stupid, but then, if they had a clue they wouldn't be SW-ing). You don't want to be tempted to skip the cover because that pussy is so fine.

And the freebie: Every time some SW claims "I'm the best! I'm worth more", it really means, "I'm a lame-ass lying lazy talentless junkie!" The good ones don't have to brag; they'll get your return business.

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Chelli4me said, "One additional tip I read elsewhere but one I regularly use.

Wear loose pants like sweatpants that are easy to pull up and that will not require much in the way of fastening. Underwear? C'mon, they're just going to get in the way. For mongering... GO COMMANDO."

[AllwaysLookin]

It seems that the puritans are still alive and kicking. Protecting gown people from pleasure at the expense of the kids that get killed and abducted.

Vice cops are wimps that cannot deal with real criminals. If I ever get busted I know I am going to have a hard time not kicking the cops ass just because he deserves it.

Ohwell, that is my rant!

[The Darq Ryder]

Thanks Forrester, I hope the other readers of this forum take the time to read this, size up their actions and let the big head do the thinking for them if things look questionable!!!

[Forever Det]

Good report Darq

I often thought when the new law came out that I would be under the jail back in High School. I just don't know how kids have a chance now a days. What constitutes crimininal sexual conduct four (Misdemeanor but registration necessary)? Feeling a girl/guy up on the Butt, Breast or Groin for sexual gratification. I'm sorry, when I was in High School that was pretty much standard practice. This politically correct crap is killing the nation. Kids can't be kids anymore. You look at someone the wrong way now, or say something that is sensative and someone is offended about than you can be screwed for the rest of your life. I have a younger relative in high school that got caught playing grab ass and got convicted with csc 4. 16 years old and he has to register as a sex offender. Wonder whats next? Can't stop a bomber because he might be offended?

Forrester

[The Darq Ryder]

I was looking at the sex offender list and was astonished at how they are putting anyone on it these days. Heck if you moon someone you could be put on the list as a registered offender for "Indecent Exposure" the next 25 years...so much for kids having innocent fun. Get loud about it and you earn "Disorderly Person - Obscene Conduct"! Here is a breakdown of the list and the codes. I thought this list was supposed to be helping to track the REAL baddies who want to HURT our kids and women...take a look at this pic and tell if this 41 year old person deserves lifetime registration for 2nd degree Criminal Sexual Conduct! http://www.mipsor.state.mi.us/mipsor...s/08465084.jpg

Sorry for the rant, but I think we are hurting more people and locking up the system with people who are not causing injury over those more violent types...who I think SHOULD be identified as a Michigan Violent Offender!!!

Here are the penal codes:

CRIMES REQUIRING REGISTRATION:
Notice that and contact between Gay & Lesbian is illegal by 750.338A and B

REASONS TO REGISTER IN MICHIGAN...
Misdemeanor Listed Offenses (register 1 time a year, every January 1-15, for 25 years):

750.145A Children – Accosting for Immoral Purposes (conviction prior to 6/1/02)

750.145C(4) Child Sexually Abusive Commercial Activity (conviction prior to 4/1/03)

750.167(1)(f)* Disorderly Person – Obscene Conduct

750.335A* Indecent Exposure

750.448 Soliciting to commit prostitution

* Three convictions of 750.167(1)(f), three convictions of 750.335A, or a combination of three convictions of both offenses will then require registration as a sex offender.



Felony Listed Offenses (register 4 times a year, the 1st through the 15th of every January, April, July and October, for 25 years OR life, depending on what the plea was):

750.145A Children – Accosting for Immoral Purposes (conviction after 6/1/02)

750.145B Children – Accosting for Immoral Purposes, 2nd offense

750.145C(2) & (3) Child sexually Abusive Commercial Activity (lifetime registration)

750.145C(4) Child Sexually Abusive Commercial Activity (conviction after 4/1/03)

750.158* Sodomy

750.338* Gross indecency between male persons

750.338A* Gross indecency between female persons

750.338B* Gross indecency between male and female persons

750.349* Kidnapping (lifetime registration if the victim is between 14-17 years old)

750.350 Child kidnapping (lifetime)

750.455 Pandering

750.520B Criminal Sexual Conduct 1st degree (lifetime registration)

750.520C Criminal Sexual Conduct 2nd degree (lifetime registration if the charge is 750.520C(1)(a))

750.520D Criminal Sexual Conduct 3rd degree

750.520E Criminal Sexual Conduct 4th degree

750.520G Assault with attempt to commit CSC

750.10A Sexually delinquent person

* Applies only to offenses where the victim is under 18 years of age.

This list also includes an attempt and/or conspiracy to commit any of the above offenses.

NOTE: Any other violation of a law of this state or local ordinance of a municipality that by its nature constitutes a sexual offense against an individual who is less than 18 years of age, will require you to register as a sex offender.

NOTE: Criminal Sexual Conduct 4th degree; misdemeanor, is a “Listed Felony Offense” for registration purposes and, as such, requires registering 4 times a year, the 1st through the 15th of every January, April, July and October .

[Michigan Guy]

Excellent point. Was cruising Michigan avenue years ago between telegraph and middlebelt and saw two good looking girls walking together and they gave me that look. When I pulled over they didn't get in the car, simply stood outside and started a conversation. I said "have a nice day" and left. 15 minutes later I circled around again and they were standing next to a LE cruiser as an Unfortunate Monger was being cuffed. What a waste of taxpayer's dollars. Always pull away if they don't jump in your car and grab the stick, I'm also nervous about girls walking in pairs, and girls walking with a decent looking purse. Just me thoughts. Stay safe out there.

[Waxon1]

Guys,

One thing that you should never do is talk business via your car window when talking with a SW. She may turn out to be a LE Decoy. Most LE will not let a decoy enter your car due to the risk to the decoy. So if she will not get in your car to talk to you then it is a good bet she is LE. It is better to pass on her and stay out of jail. Sometimes the cops will still pull you over just for talking with her and hope you will spill your guts. If you do get pulled over simply say you seen a nice looking girl who looked like she may be stranded in a bad area and you were just checking to see if she needed a ride. You may get a ticket for obstructing traffic or something like that but never say anything about hunting for SWs.