American Politics during the Trump Presidency (Only for Cincy)

[WarlockKy]

They always said that anyone in America could grow up to be President.

How does a con man, failed businessman, womanizing, serial lying, pussy grabbing, non intelligent, reality show actor, who wants to fuck his own daughter, get elevated to the most powerful job on the planet? Only in America. Only in America.

How does a person like this win over the hearts, minds and souls of a significant portion of the US population?

Flava Flav 2024.

Running a candidate in 2016 because it was "her time".

The Republicans made the same mistake in 1996 when they ran the wrong Dole (should have been Elizabeth, not Bob).

Personally, I think they missed the message that their base gave them in 2008, (not being racist here) the party was more willing to run a man of colour than Hillary.

Hillary in 2016 then in turn thought that everybody lived with their face in their phone like she did with her Blackberry therefore social media ruled, forgetting that a good part of the base in the rust belt states couldn't afford more than a flip phone even though her own husband told her campaign that she needed physical time in those states.

End result they voted for someone who's main message was loud and not politically correct.

The interesting part will be if this year is a repeat of 2004 when nobody could believe we elected Bush II in 2000 and the Evangelicals came out in full force to support him, will the 'secret" Trump supporters come out to make a statement again.

[Willow1535]

They always said that anyone in America could grow up to be President.

How does a con man, failed businessman, womanizing, serial lying, pussy grabbing, non intelligent, reality show actor, who wants to fuck his own daughter, get elevated to the most powerful job on the planet? Only in America. Only in America.

How does a person like this win over the hearts, minds and souls of a significant portion of the US population?

Flava Flav 2024.

You are correct, people die in cars. Doesn't mean we stop driving them. Also doesn't mean we stop building intelligent, engineered cars with advanced safety features, requiring licenses, rules, stop lights, etc? People also Die walking down the st. Doesn't mean it's a good idea to J walk or not put cross walks in or dedicate signs for public safety. See what I'm getting at?

Again I'm fascinated by this. I'd LOVE to try to find a middle ground with those on the other side of the aisle but it's sooo difficult when what's being acknowledged is so minuscule. All we have to criticize him for is COVID? Come on man. He just made a call to arms to a white supremacy group in Portland and he refuses to denounce white supremacy in general. By doing so has emboldens that faction of degenerates among us. LatinaHamster, areyou a white supremacist? He encourages our foreign adversaries to interfere with US affairs (he should be doing the opposite). Why won't he stand up to Putin? (LatinaHamster, Would you?) Because they're in bed together, that's why, and because he's a coward. He solicited foreign interference in the 2020 USA Presidential election and then obstructed the inquiry. He was then justifiably impeached. (God can you imagine how the right would've reacted had Obama done this. Take a minute, think about that.) He has publicly made fun of and criticized wounded and captured soldiers. Despicable. LatinaHamster, would you criticize someone who put their life on the line and lost a limb for your freedom? And of course, He's a liar beyond the pale of your avg politician. Seriously I could sit here all day. He's a con artist whose list of lies can easily be found and corroborated. Yes all politicians lie, doesn't mean we shouldn't call them out when they do.

For the record I don't watch news, though it's curious how in the Trump era CNN is liberal. Back in the Obama years I thought CNN was the middle ground the airports had to air. ? Anyway, I read from multiple US sources and abroad from the likes of the guardian and BBC, I encourage others to do the same.

Lastly, I'm not a huge Biden fan. Pocahontas was my pick. Any of them would represent our democracy and serve as a role model for our kids better than trump.

Off to grab some pussy now (oh, I have consent).

[Willow1535]

Tell me 5 things Trump has done that have changed your life for the better. Are you any better off now than you were 4 years ago? I would love to have a conversation about politics with educated people, from both sides of the political spectrum; if they are out there. Most of the crap that I am reading is just regurgitated, bubble dwelling nonsense. Thank the Lord for Libertarians.

Clearly you have no background in the sciences and do not work in the medical field. Further, the WHO covered up the COVID virus in the beginning and ran cover for China. Turn off MSNBC and CNN and do your homework.

Let's face it- without the COVID virus, the Leftists would have nothing to talk about or criticize, or run on. Pretty pathetic state of affairs.

TRUMP 2020.

[WarlockKy]

Warlock, I appreciate your devils advocate approach and your will to uncover the truth through independent investigation (though I'm having a hard time following some of your thought processes), but are you saying that you don't believe that wearing a mask and social distancing are effective against the spread of COVID?

And would you agree that WHO and the CDC, amid this novel catastrophe, have contributed anything of value?

Trump is the leader of the free world. His words and actions are influential and are increasing the likelihood that more Americans will die of COVID. He should be trying to do the opposite. It's fascinating to have to try to make this argument.

And fomite is the primary method of transmission, a mask and distancing are only a light, partial remediation and it's limited by the type of mask, airflow around the individual and the breeze that day. It also means that it one can pick it up from an object (which explains the initial outbreak in Milan at an Amazon sorting facility), but who wants to tell someone "don't open your new iPhone, the virus could be on the outer packaging, or on the surface of the box under the plastic, or on the device itself".

The only effect protection is a bunny suit and a decon shower, everything else is a guess and a hope kind of like the plague masks with a bird beak during the 1400-1700's.

So the question comes down to what is an acceptable casualty rate, and the fact of life remains that one is 3 x more likely to die in a car wreck.

Based on the CNN / ABC / CBS / NBC media logic the narrative is "you're going to die if you get it" and it has been proven as untrue, the fact of life is that we have no idea of the true infection rate, only the manifested symptom rate. If we knew the true rate it would drive the percentage down even lower and the media cannot cut the hype because they can't separate the virus from politics.

Let's take a CoVid relief bill, why does it need to have a rider on it relating to airline carbon footprint or the funding of a refurb for the FBI building?

At the end of the day it all comes down to one thing, are you going to use CoVid as a political issue or a public health issue.

And let's look at the bright side, a bit of Darwinian thinning of the herd might not be a bad thing because hey it'll help keep Social Security going a little longer......

[PaiMei]

This is increasingly the Democratic Party of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ilhan Omar, and Rashida Tlaib. The radicals, in other words.

They are, by their own admission, card-carrying Marxists.

If Biden is elected (and I think the odds of that are high), it will be four years of economic class warfare, expanding government, and nonstop witch hunts related to identity politics. All meaningful law enforcement in our cities will end. You see what's going on in Seattle and NYC, with the out-of-control urban violence? Those are Democrat-controlled cities. That's our future under Biden

Another thing to fact check, but sure there are extreme democrats just as there are extreme republicans. Some who support blatantly racist policy and domestic terrorism. Shall we analyze the atrocities in republican controlled cities as well? Remember, the things you are mentioning are happening under a trump presidency. It's a little too easy to already start blaming Biden. The argument that it's all going to swing wildly to the left is absurd, justified primarily by fear monger.

[Todd Cincy]

Can an bonafide non partisan economist among us please address this hyperbole. Look at the economy right now under Trump / Republicans. Look at it right before Obama came in under Bush / Republicans. Not good!

This is not the Democratic Party of Bill Clinton (whom I largely supported) or Jimmy Carter (who would be a moderate Republican, if he were running today). Nor is this the Democratic Party of Obama, who was left of Clinton, but still not full-bore loony left.

This is increasingly the Democratic Party of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ilhan Omar, and Rashida Tlaib. The radicals, in other words.

They are, by their own admission, card-carrying Marxists.

Or no, they're worse: They are card-carrying Marxists who are obsessed with identity politics.

I wouldn't even have a problem with Biden, if he were actually going to be the president. But he won't be in control.

If Biden is elected (and I think the odds of that are high), it will be four years of economic class warfare, expanding government, and nonstop witch hunts related to identity politics. All meaningful law enforcement in our cities will end. You see what's going on in Seattle and NYC, with the out-of-control urban violence? Those are Democrat-controlled cities. That's our future under Biden.

Now, if that's what you want, fine and good. But let's be clear: That *is* what you want, if you plan to vote for Biden. I'm not judging here, just making an observation.

[PaiMei]

The general economic strategy of the Democratic Party is to reduce all of us to government sustenance. So if that's the way the country goes, well, who knows.

Can an bonafide non partisan economist among us please address this hyperbole. Look at the economy right now under Trump / Republicans. Look at it right before Obama came in under Bush / Republicans. Not good!

[Ronnie0927]

The responses in this thread pretty much confirm what I've observed out in the world: Most heterosexual men over 30 are voting Trump. (Not that there's anything wrong with being young, gay, or female, mind you.).

As all this relates to the hobby, though: I don't look for the provider market to improve much until after the vaccine is rolled out.

I don't see either Biden or Trump as having a major impact on the hobby market. The economic chaos that will be brought about by Democratic Party rule may drive more women to the hobby. But that could also mean that many of *us* have less money. The general economic strategy of the Democratic Party is to reduce all of us to government sustenance. So if that's the way the country goes, well, who knows?

I'm voting Trump, as are most people in my inner circle (with the exception of a few women and gay men I know, not that there's anything wrong with being female or gay.).

What matters most (for the hobby) is an end to COVID.

I'm not a medical professional. I would imagine that the truth about the Virus is somewhere between the two extremes. But the undeniable market reality is that the COVID epidemic has inflated prices and lowered the quality. Until it ends, I don't see a return to the "golden age" of the hobby or the sugar baby scene

Trump hasn't affected the hobby market? Are you kidding me right now? The hobby market has gone to shit the last few years. Most AMP have been closed or busted. According to your logic a democratic ran economy would be better for us mongers! Laughing at your self own! And regarding Covid, most, if not all of these ladies could care less about covid! LOL That's probably the least of their worries in this biz. I'd like to see some stats on your claim that Most hetero men over 30 are voting for Trump. FYI. Making up your own statistics doesn't make them true.

[PaiMei]

Maybe you shouldn't drive your car because thousands are killed annually in car accidents- its VERY risky.

You are correct, people die in cars. Doesn't mean we stop driving them. Also doesn't mean we stop building intelligent, engineered cars with advanced safety features, requiring licenses, rules, stop lights, etc? People also Die walking down the st. Doesn't mean it's a good idea to J walk or not put cross walks in or dedicate signs for public safety. See what I'm getting at?

Let's face it- without the COVID virus, the Leftists would have nothing to talk about or criticize, or run on. Pretty pathetic state of affairs.

Again I'm fascinated by this. I'd LOVE to try to find a middle ground with those on the other side of the aisle but it's sooo difficult when what's being acknowledged is so minuscule. All we have to criticize him for is COVID? Come on man. He just made a call to arms to a white supremacy group in Portland and he refuses to denounce white supremacy in general. By doing so has emboldens that faction of degenerates among us. LatinaHamster, areyou a white supremacist? He encourages our foreign adversaries to interfere with US affairs (he should be doing the opposite). Why won't he stand up to Putin? (LatinaHamster, Would you?) Because they're in bed together, that's why, and because he's a coward. He solicited foreign interference in the 2020 USA Presidential election and then obstructed the inquiry. He was then justifiably impeached. (God can you imagine how the right would've reacted had Obama done this. Take a minute, think about that.) He has publicly made fun of and criticized wounded and captured soldiers. Despicable. LatinaHamster, would you criticize someone who put their life on the line and lost a limb for your freedom? And of course, He's a liar beyond the pale of your avg politician. Seriously I could sit here all day. He's a con artist whose list of lies can easily be found and corroborated. Yes all politicians lie, doesn't mean we shouldn't call them out when they do.

For the record I don't watch news, though it's curious how in the Trump era CNN is liberal. Back in the Obama years I thought CNN was the middle ground the airports had to air. ? Anyway, I read from multiple US sources and abroad from the likes of the guardian and BBC, I encourage others to do the same.

Lastly, I'm not a huge Biden fan. Pocahontas was my pick. Any of them would represent our democracy and serve as a role model for our kids better than trump.

Off to grab some pussy now (oh, I have consent).

[Todd Cincy]

The responses in this thread pretty much confirm what I've observed out in the world: Most heterosexual men over 30 are voting Trump. (Not that there's anything wrong with being young, gay, or female, mind you.).

As all this relates to the hobby, though: I don't look for the provider market to improve much until after the vaccine is rolled out.

I don't see either Biden or Trump as having a major impact on the hobby market. The economic chaos that will be brought about by Democratic Party rule may drive more women to the hobby. But that could also mean that many of *us* have less money. The general economic strategy of the Democratic Party is to reduce all of us to government sustenance. So if that's the way the country goes, well, who knows?

I'm voting Trump, as are most people in my inner circle (with the exception of a few women and gay men I know, not that there's anything wrong with being female or gay.).

What matters most (for the hobby) is an end to COVID.

I'm not a medical professional. I would imagine that the truth about the Virus is somewhere between the two extremes. But the undeniable market reality is that the COVID epidemic has inflated prices and lowered the quality. Until it ends, I don't see a return to the "golden age" of the hobby or the sugar baby scene.

[Ronnie0927]

Name a single viral outbreak in the history of the world that was defeated by locking a country down. JUST ONE.

99% of people who get covid fully recover. Maybe you shouldn't drive your car because thousands are killed annually in car accidents- its VERY risky.

I like facts (not alternative ones) so I figured I'd chime in. 80 short years ago the spanish flu shut down our county and around 670,000 americans were lost. You can easily research that. And your 99% BS logic would mean the US alone would lose over 3. 5 million people. Keep in mind that last year the US had around 2. 8 million deaths total. So more than doubling that is no big deal right? You're a pro lifer too I bet huh? LOL Without Covid there would still be PLENTY of issues to talk about regarding the shit show that is currently on display at 1600 Pennslyvania. I will agree with you on your last point. The state of affairs in the county are pretty pathetic right now. Stop worshipping the fake business man that can't even get a loan from any US banks. He's not a king and he has no moral compass. But hey what do I know. I'm just an old veteran who's voted republican his whole life up until now.

[LatinaHunpster]

Dude, could WHAT be the truth? The fact that 210,000 Americans are dead because of COVID? That the Trump administration and his sheep cuntservative followers brazenly oppose recommendations to help mitigate the problem. Trumps a sociopath. Just yesterday he got out of the hospital, got in front of a podium and took his mask off putting everyone around him at risk. What a piece of shit.

Can't handle the truth LOL.

Name a single viral outbreak in the history of the world that was defeated by locking a country down. JUST ONE.

99% of people who get covid fully recover. Maybe you shouldn't drive your car because thousands are killed annually in car accidents- its VERY risky.

[LatinaHunpster]

Warlock, I appreciate your devils advocate approach and your will to uncover the truth through independent investigation (though I'm having a hard time following some of your thought processes), but are you saying that you don't believe that wearing a mask and social distancing are effective against the spread of COVID?

And would you agree that WHO and the CDC, amid this novel catastrophe, have contributed anything of value?

Trump is the leader of the free world. His words and actions are influential and are increasing the likelihood that more Americans will die of COVID. He should be trying to do the opposite. It's fascinating to have to try to make this argument.

Clearly you have no background in the sciences and do not work in the medical field. Further, the WHO covered up the COVID virus in the beginning and ran cover for China. Turn off MSNBC and CNN and do your homework.

Let's face it- without the COVID virus, the Leftists would have nothing to talk about or criticize, or run on. Pretty pathetic state of affairs.

TRUMP 2020.

[PaiMei]

Warlock, I appreciate your devils advocate approach and your will to uncover the truth through independent investigation (though I'm having a hard time following some of your thought processes), but are you saying that you don't believe that wearing a mask and social distancing are effective against the spread of COVID?

And would you agree that WHO and the CDC, amid this novel catastrophe, have contributed anything of value?

Trump is the leader of the free world. His words and actions are influential and are increasing the likelihood that more Americans will die of COVID. He should be trying to do the opposite. It's fascinating to have to try to make this argument.

[Willow1535]

What does that make you? You may disagree with him, but do you have to result to name calling to get your point across?

Could it be the TRUTH?

Or maybe I remember someone say this named Jack?

"Maybe you can't handle the truth"?