Boston Sports Chat

[Nrlmus]

Nrimus, I am not questioning your memory of the Pre-Parcel Pats, but I don't believe that any Pats fan would ever say that the Pats were "a pretty good organization even before Kraft". Yes, there were instances when the Pats had decent players or an occasional competitive teams, and even made the SB with the dress wearing Eason vs. "Da-Bears", as you stated. However, that was just in spite of the totally inept, incompetent ownership of the Sullivan family and others.

For the most part, the Pats organization was the floor mat of the NFL, since the early sixtys when I first saw them play at Fenway Park.

Of course, as we age, our memory is one of the first things to go.

That's right "Da-Bears" LOL. I remember that cool Superbowl Shuffle song and even our inept attempt at responding to it.

Look, I'm not saying that it was a great organization on the par with San Fran or Washington or many others. But we did go to Superbowl twice, even before Kraft and it's true. We lost both but AFC teams always lost back then, even the great Bills team of the 90's "always" lost before Elway finally put an end to it. I remember that many didn't care for Tony Eason, but wasn't he the guy that first brought a wild card team to the Superbowl though? The team that had "no chance"? All I'm saying that it wasn't all that bad even before Brady, and yes, Kraft or no Kraft, Belichick or no Belichick, if we didn't get an accidental winning hand with Brady who knows where we would be now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJUhlRoBL8M

[MeatMan]

Its just a shame that the GOAT will always be tied to Belichek a 500 coach before he got Brady and sorry to say it but a cheating legacy. Ask the Sox how they deal with known cheaters of the sport.

Yeah sure. Let's not forget about all the other teams prior to their cheating scandals (Yankees, Denver, Colts, Atlanta, Saints, etc etc). Lets not single them out. The only reason why the Patriots are stained for cheating is that we win so goddamn much. As for the Red Sox, well, shit, I place more blame on Cora!.

[Longjblues]

Nrimus, I am not questioning your memory of the Pre-Parcel Pats, but I don't believe that any Pats fan would ever say that the Pats were "a pretty good organization even before Kraft". Yes, there were instances when the Pats had decent players or an occasional competitive teams, and even made the SB with the dress wearing Eason vs. "Da-Bears", as you stated. However, that was just in spite of the totally inept, incompetent ownership of the Sullivan family and others.

For the most part, the Pats organization was the floor mat of the NFL, since the early sixtys when I first saw them play at Fenway Park.

Of course, as we age, our memory is one of the first things to go.

And just to take it a bit farther, people might've forgot with us being spoiled by the aforementioned troika but the Pats were in two Superbowls before Brady showed up too, one with Tony Eason at QB (remember him?) when "Ze Bears" dissected us in the finals and one with Parcells too. So it's not like we always sucked before Brady showed up. It's going to be hard to replicate Brady and Belichick but the history shows that it's been a pretty good organization even before Kraft.

[Skatar018]

sorry to say it but a cheating legacy

Most of what you say is true, I would say to anyone that felt the Pats legacy is cheaters that any game the Pats lost is because the other team cheated better than us.

See how & when your team cheats http://yourteamcheats.com/.

[SmittySees]

History shows that it's been a pretty good organization even before Kraft.

Actually they were a train wreck heading for St Louis. Then Hartford. Dick Macpherson was out of touch college coach and gm in Janikowski (sp?) that was over his head.

Stadium was a cement pit constructed on the cheap and on the fly. But the stadium had an ironclad lease that enabled Kraft and Karp the only viable buyers since they owned the stadium. Was easy days to get tickets for groups and day of tickets more often than not but the pre glory days they werent. Was a terrible product and losing team whos fan base couldn't be trusted with night games because of the parking lot mayhem. Ahh the good old days. Nope. Signing Bledsoe vs Myrer and hiring Duane Charles Parcells as coach turned the org around until he decided to screw the team super bowl week and was already planning his triumphant return to the Jets. Brady did save the franchise and make it worth billions for Kraft, its just a shame that the GOAT will always be tied to Belichek a 500 coach before he got Brady and sorry to say it but a cheating legacy. Ask the Sox how they deal with known cheaters of the sport.

[Nrlmus]

That only time will tell on both fronts.

Been said year after year that the Pats are finally dead, thing is Kraft, Belichick & Brady missed that memo & no one ever told them otherwise.

The facts are undeniable, Pats have the most wins, consecutive division wins, AFC wins, Super Bowl appearances & Super Bowl wins in the time span that Kraft, Belichick & Brady have been together than any team in the history of the NFL, and that will be extremely hard to ever overcome.

As for KC only time will tell how good or bad they are.

And just to take it a bit farther, people might've forgot with us being spoiled by the aforementioned troika but the Pats were in two Superbowls before Brady showed up too, one with Tony Eason at QB (remember him?) when "Ze Bears" dissected us in the finals and one with Parcells too. So it's not like we always sucked before Brady showed up. It's going to be hard to replicate Brady and Belichick but the history shows that it's been a pretty good organization even before Kraft.

[ArchersTarget]

Got to love the ones that say the Patriot Dynasty is dead. They've said that for the last 15 years when the Patriots were just molly-whooping every teams ass across the NFL. Goota love the KC fans caught up in their emotions saying that they're the "new dynasty". Dimwits!.

I'm Guilty as I think the Patriots are on the down slope. They had the easiest schedule so I think that reflects their record. They have no running game and no receivers. I think Harry has potential but that is yet to be seen. Sanu sucks and Dorsett will be gone to free agency. They didn't replace Gronk which is the real reason they failed. The offensive line needs help. This years draft is very slim. They need to spend but they won't. I hope I'm wrong but I think not.

[Skatar018]

That only time will tell on both fronts.

Been said year after year that the Pats are finally dead, thing is Kraft, Belichick & Brady missed that memo & no one ever told them otherwise.

The facts are undeniable, Pats have the most wins, consecutive division wins, AFC wins, Super Bowl appearances & Super Bowl wins in the time span that Kraft, Belichick & Brady have been together than any team in the history of the NFL, and that will be extremely hard to ever overcome.

As for KC only time will tell how good or bad they are.

Got to love the ones that say the Patriot Dynasty is dead. They've said that for the last 15 years when the Patriots were just molly-whooping every teams ass across the NFL. Goota love the KC fans caught up in their emotions saying that they're the "new dynasty". Dimwits!.

[MeatMan]

KC will if Mahomes can stay healthy, there isn't any real competition in their division, 49 ers have a harder division so not so sure about them.

I have found that the teams that have a hard time making it back to the playoffs are the teams that play the Pats in the Super Bowl.

Got to love the ones that say the Patriot Dynasty is dead. They've said that for the last 15 years when the Patriots were just molly-whooping every teams ass across the NFL. Goota love the KC fans caught up in their emotions saying that they're the "new dynasty". Dimwits!.

[Skatar018]

KC will if Mahomes can stay healthy, there isn't any real competition in their division, 49 ers have a harder division so not so sure about them.

I have found that the teams that have a hard time making it back to the playoffs are the teams that play the Pats in the Super Bowl.

One question we will have to wait to see the answer, does either KC or SanFran make it back to the NFL playoff next year?

[Nrlmus]

I was actually rooting for SanFran and Garoppolo (and Welker) to beat the Chiefs, partly to avoid all the hype we will now be subject to about Mahomes & Chiefs dynasty. Plus, I thought that San Fran had the more complete team, with the better defense.

Garoppolo had one of the worst 4th quarters I have seen in the SB. It was a bit mind boggling to see SanFran go away completely from the run in the 4th, and place the game entirely in Garoppolo's hands. Major mistake. I forget that Garapolo hasn't played 2 full seasons yet (30 games started, 6 yrs in NFL). It looked like he was a rookie in the fourth, to be truthful.

Your point that Brady would have won that games if he was the quarterback of the 49 ers rather than Garoppolo, is a valid point. You take for granted how calm and cool TB is in the 4th quarter when the game is on the line. TB is so methodical in taking the team down the field, making the underneath pass that the defense is giving, rather than looking for the long strike, which most quarterbacks make the mistake of doing.

One question we will have to wait to see the answer, does either KC or SanFran make it back to the NFL playoff next year?

I bet neither will. Not next year anyway.

[Longjblues]

I was actually rooting for SanFran and Garoppolo (and Welker) to beat the Chiefs, partly to avoid all the hype we will now be subject to about Mahomes & Chiefs dynasty. Plus, I thought that San Fran had the more complete team, with the better defense.

Garoppolo had one of the worst 4th quarters I have seen in the SB. It was a bit mind boggling to see SanFran go away completely from the run in the 4th, and place the game entirely in Garoppolo's hands. Major mistake. I forget that Garapolo hasn't played 2 full seasons yet (30 games started, 6 yrs in NFL). It looked like he was a rookie in the fourth, to be truthful.

Your point that Brady would have won that games if he was the quarterback of the 49 ers rather than Garoppolo, is a valid point. You take for granted how calm and cool TB is in the 4th quarter when the game is on the line. TB is so methodical in taking the team down the field, making the underneath pass that the defense is giving, rather than looking for the long strike, which most quarterbacks make the mistake of doing.

One question we will have to wait to see the answer, does either KC or SanFran make it back to the NFL playoff next year?

I feel good for Andy Reed (not that I care all that much, in fact I really don't but still).

But! Do you think KC would've had a chance if Tommy would've been leading that (SanFran) offense? With 3 good RBs, great tight end tandem, and at least 1 solid rookie receiver and Emmanuel Sanders as likely go to? Not a chance. Mahomes would've lost that game before it even started.

[MeatMan]

I wish a dollar for every Patriots hater that has said the Dynasty is dead over the years. Whats funny is, I remember all the haters saying how the Seahawks were going to be the greatest dynasty ever after SB XLVIII. How the hell did that work out? I could go on and on. Every time some new young buck wins something, they start the circle-jerking. KC and Pat Mahomes are going to find out starting next year, it is a whole new mindset when you are now the "hunted" instead of a hunter. Let them keep fucking with the Patriots Empire.

Also, Kyle keeps choking in Superbowls. Seattle, Atlanta now the 49 ers. Two of them against us, and one formerly related to us. Guess the Patriots are his ultimate kryptonite.

[ArchersTarget]

The best part of this Super-Bowl for me was sitting back & watching the game without the nail biting had the Pats been playing.

Didn't care who won, didn't watch any thing leading up to the game including sports channels TV nor radio, no NFL network, none of the so called experts & commentators, didn't watch the 1/2 time show, muted the TV & just watched the game period.

It was a good game up till the 49 ers imploded! Friggin Shanahan still hasn't learned how to rely on what got them there, the RUN game, he lost to the Pats in Super Bowl 51 because he didn't run the ball.

Not to mention you have 1. 19 minutes left in the half with 3 time outs & you let the clock tick down, what, are you fucking kidding me.

Fuck'them they deserved to lose that game!

I agree that that the last minutes before half killed them. 3 times outs can get you at least a field goal. They needed the biggest lead going into the half knowing that KC would come out and do some magic. That's going to be the last SuperBowl they will be in for awhile and they blew it.

[Skatar018]

The best part of this Super-Bowl for me was sitting back & watching the game without the nail biting had the Pats been playing.

Didn't care who won, didn't watch any thing leading up to the game including sports channels TV nor radio, no NFL network, none of the so called experts & commentators, didn't watch the 1/2 time show, muted the TV & just watched the game period.

It was a good game up till the 49 ers imploded! Friggin Shanahan still hasn't learned how to rely on what got them there, the RUN game, he lost to the Pats in Super Bowl 51 because he didn't run the ball.

Not to mention you have 1. 19 minutes left in the half with 3 time outs & you let the clock tick down, what, are you fucking kidding me.

Fuck'them they deserved to lose that game!