The History of an Illegal Monopoly

**J Schwanger** · 03-14-08 07:52

Originally Posted by Irish Male2

This issue has been covered before in various places here. Most AMPs are manned by Koreans although there are some other countries that have some. Some of us have been involved with these ladies, including managers and owners and we can tell you with no hesitation that at least insofar as the majority of AMPs owned and operated by Koreans there are no forced workers. The workers come and go as they please once they no longer want to work, and others leave because of conflicts with management/owner/other workers. They are there for one reason only - quick, fast, easy money. Most, unfortunately, have habits to feed. I've never met one in my many years with a drug problem but almost all are addicted to nicotine. A great many others are addicted to alcohol, gambling, or both. Some just have expensive tastes and like to buy top shelf merchandise from clothes to accessories to autos. The sad part of this is that most will go back to this quick easy money over and over again to feed their material desires until they are too old to do it anymore. Then, if they have been unsuccessful in finding a man to support them you will see them as managers, kitchen mamas, or custodians in the AMPs.

This is not to say there are no forced workers anywhere. Recently in Florida, a house with workers was busted with hispanic women and one man. The man ran it. The women were pretty much in servitude and it was located in a minority community with a large number of migrant workers. It does happen, and it should not happen.

The AMP business is difficult for newbies to understand because it is so different from the work ethic here but is accepted by the K girls. The house fee goes in almost every instance 100% to the house. The girls work only for tips. They must pay the owner a weekly amount for food. I know of one amp where the girls have to pay $350 per every week for food. Most single persons could survive on that amount for the greater part of the month, let alone a week. If there is a manager/kitchen mama, they girls must also pony up a certain amount every week for that person. It's usually in excess of $100 per girl per week. So the first 4 to 5 customers each week earn nothing for the girls.

This is the way it works and this is the way they all accept it. In the right locations, the girls can still knock down a thousand and more a week.

Most of us would agree that this is a business that is safe, discreet, and as clean as it can be with a few exceptions, and would benefit those working in the business as well as the participants to have some regulation. It would even benefit the state and local governments because they would get their cut too. However, there is an element that thinks that sex anyplace other than in the bedroom or in any other way than missionary, and in a not so frequent time period is the only acceptable way to have sex. Those who believe this are vocal and active so it's doubtful that any regulated AMPS will exist anywhere now or in the future.

An added plus for everyone is that in the places I've been, and there've been many, I've never seen a bad element in the neighborhood, I've never seen a drug problem related to or around the AMPs, and they do not interfere with the surrounding businesses or neighborhoods.

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**Virile Vito** · 11-13-06 00:46

Originally Posted by Double Nickle

Although Korean Massage Parlors currently dominate the scene in the United States of America there are other distinct asian massage traditions that in their classic forms are very easy to tell apart. But things change through time and demarkation lines often disappear. It used to be we had distinct English, Irish, Italian, German, etc. communities and cultures in New England. Today most of us are generic "white," perhaps with grandparents from 4 different european countries (like myself). We may see a future "McAmp" where the different traditions are blended.

The Chinese massage tradition goes back over 3,700 years! The skilled Qi Gong Tui Na practitioner can manipulate joints and muscles to correct misalignments and to restore the natural flow of bioelectrical energy in the body. It is complementary to Acupuncture which I've been too chicken to try yet. Generally only curtains provide a modicum of privacy. The woman remains clothed in unrevealing street clothes. The man gets naked, but is usually covered or partially covered with a towel. A shower is a rare luxury. The towel will be used to wipe off any dirt or perspiration. The back may be walked on, with a single or double rail above which the practitioner holds onto for balance. Fingertip manipulation of pressure points and long hard stroking of muscles with the palms are major parts of the repertoire. The holistic movement borrows heavily from Chinese tradition. But when the artsy-fartsy new age spa advertises a full body massage they are often lying. The genuine Chinese Qi Gong Tui Na practitioner seems to consider attention to the genitals part of the full body treatment as it should be. Many traditional places will be found in or near the various Chinatowns. You may find bargain prices of only $40 an hour, but tip money is important for the masseuses. Many places they will be happy with a mere $20 tip. Repeat customers are favored and a GFE may even develop.

But it is not 1700 BC anymore. I've seen a black woman working as a masseuse in an otherwise fairly typical Chinese tuina parlor. Chinese women of various ages and attractiveness are the norm but don't be surprised to see other nationalities. Away from Chinatown change seems to accelerate. Some places are starting to offer table showers. On the negative extreme, other places do the "full body massage" through clothing.

Over the millenium China has exported many ideas and inventions; over the "silk road" to Europe; across the Sea of Japan to Japan. In Japan the massage tradition developed into "Shiatsu," a Japanese word referring to the use of fingertip pressure. There is a strong tradition of large, elaborate bathing facilities in Japan, so it is not surprising to find them offering table showers. They might even have invented it. My first table shower was in 1984 at the Cherry Patch Ranch, a legal brothel in Nevada. I think the lady who did the table shower might have been Japanese. It is not far across the Korea Strait separating Japan from Korea. So it is not surprising to find one Japanese massage parlor advertising that English, Japanese, and Korean were spoken. Masseuses were trained in Japan or Korea.

Sandwiched in between Japan and China, Korea does not seem to have developed it's own distinct massage tradition, but to have borrowed from the other two. Most readers will be familiar with the classic Korean Massage Parlor, as exemplified in the 10 KMPs shut down in Waterbury, Connecticut early summer this year. Ring the buzzer. Mamasan lets you in and takes you to a massage room to undress. Provider comes in and collects $60 or so house fee. Table shower, back massage, "turn over." "Anything else?" $40 HJ $60 BJ $100 FS. Hot towel. Leave smiling. Most of the girls are Korean but you will see some others. Massage techniques vary, but are often quite good. Variations from place to place provide a bit of spice.

I can say from experience that all 10 Waterbury KMPs offered FS. But some KMPs only offer HJ. This brings them very close to the Chinese parlors. With no need to disrobe, sell up, or be super careful with hygiene the table shower and sexy scanty outfits become less important. In NYC with Chinese, Korean, and Japanese RNT parlors, in some cases you can't tell if you're at a KMP, CMP, or JMP. You can only be certain you're at some sort of AMP, although most of these will probably be KMPs. If you can distinguish between the Chinese, Korean, and Japanese languages, that is probably the best way to tell. But I'm not sure even that is absolutely certain.

Japanese Massage Parlors here seem to be a vanishing breed. Hopefully they will hang on. And hopefully the strong Korean Massage Parlor and Chinese Massage Parlor presences will continue. Tradition, Service, Value

Damn, DN, you are truly the Professor. FYI, in case you can ever make the trip and can add to your authoritative run down, you can find Thai MPs, and other various Thai, Vietnamese and Taiwanese places in the SF Bay area (too bad that the forum for that local is so quiet here).

Vito

**Member #4186** · 10-18-06 21:56

Response to Mr. Benchseats-Rock:

Your tone, and general presumption of superiority, and utter failure to contribute to the positive exchange of information, remind me of some of the reasons I left Canada after living there for a significant portion of my adult life. Get over yourself and be polite from now on out. I didn't say anything offensive about Canadians, but you found excuse to find offense.

We're here to share information, not flame. I don't even know which portions of my post you're disagreeing with, you're so full of vehemence. If you read what I wrote, you'll see that in principle I agree with everything you've asserted about legal restrictions, though the specifics might be rearranged mildly. My statement ("In addition, I'd like to point out that providering isn't literally legal in Canada. In some jurisdictions, there are more lenient restrictions ...") fits EXACTLY yours ("read it and tell us that solicitation is illegal, and so is public communication," with your context indicating this is stated ironically). I didn't mention Buffalo (you said "As for Canadians living in Buffalo... I am sure you were buried by the sheer volume of research it must have taken to come up with that fact") and your discussion of the travel for exchange benefits disagrees entirely with my experience.

Quote me, refute me, fine. Don't flame me. Canada's not so great a place that the rules are different for people from there, you have to be polite too. And by the way, I too attended U of T, lived in "a house in Toronto," and attended grad school. You've got no points on me.

Now, from now on out, you should be a good boy. I've already adhered to that requirement. Statements like "moron," "stoned and had no fucking clue what you were talking about," "don't know what the fuck you're talking about," and "bullshit," indicate you're angry, and believe that I need to be cut down a peg because of what you interpret to be not only incorrect statements, but what you see as my arrogance and haughty attitude. But if you read my posts you'll see no arrogance or haughty attitude, and few incorrect statements. If you do find an incorrect statement, feel free to quote it, then state your opposing opinion nicely, and perhaps cite a source that indicates why you disagree with it.

Grow up, child.

Originally Posted by Benchseats Rock

Book Guy,

Why don't you do some actual research on Canadian Law before you look like a moron in an conversation at a dinner party where it may affect your social status?

I'll even give you a chance at redemption. I'll wait a day or two for you to go ahead and post some real information about Canada's laws and attitudes towards prostitution before I post the actual, correct information. Show everyone here that you're not completely talking out of your ass. Or don't. I'm an actual red blooded Canadian. I have a house in Toronto, went to the University of Toronto, and have been thinking of going back for grad school.
Maybe you've been to BC once or twice, maybe you're living in the middle of Saskatchewan - maybe you have friends who told you stories... It doesn't matter. Because you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. So type the phrase "Canadian Prostitution Court Rulings" into Google, read it and tell us that solicitation is illegal, and so is public communication. Parse the difference between that and the drivel you've posted and redeem yourself. Or admit that you were stoned and had no clue what the fuck you were talking about.
Makes no difference to me...

As for the exchange rate theory, its bullshit plain and simple. People travel because they like to travel. New places, new cultures, museums, (none of which to my knowledge have ever been a draw to the Floridian tourist economy but whatever) No Canadian actually thinks that its a deal when the dollars are within 10 cents of each other, have been for a long time and aren't expected to fluctuate more than 5 cents in either direction. In fact, I'm willing to bet that no one anywhere in the world is going to go through the hassle of crossing a border to make 10 cents on the dollar for a couple of weeks. As for Canadians living in Buffalo... I am sure you were buried by the sheer volume of research it must have taken to come up with that fact.

Pfft!

Benchseats Rock

**Benchseats Rock** · 10-03-06 05:15

Originally Posted by James D 2004

Fact: there are several Canadian agencies sending Canadian girls to LA and OC regularly. Reason? They love US men and nothing else? If you don't agree and you don't know how to verify this fact, I can help you if you ask.

Common sense: we are talking about illegals here. The type of jobs that illegal men can do are mostly taken up by Mexican's and South Americans. My gardeners are all Mexican but I've yet to see a Canadian gardener.

I think we're actually in agreement here. I know of more than one firm that operates agencies in both countries, it would make sense that girls move around from one agency to another under the same corporate umbrella. I can easily see this arrangement working between agencies that aren't part of the same entity, though I cannot see an independant provider being willing to take the same risks without the support of other people's money, and all of the corporate support that an agency provides. In more than a few cases, the independant girls are doing better than the agency girls in Canada: they operate completely within the law and answer to no one. So why travel and assume unnecessary risk from the puritanical US?

All the Canadian gardeners that I know are also Mexicans and South Americans. For the most part though, I don't think it is unfair to say that the illegal immigrant issue is squarely an American one. Canada has a far more structured system of providing for and welcoming new immigrants with open arms and many programs and funding to ensure a decent lifestyle, education, job training and ultimately, this develops good citizenry.

**James D 2004** · 10-03-06 00:37

Originally Posted by Benchseats Rock

Illegal Canadians? Why would a Canadian provider cross a border illegally to provide an illegal service when she can stay home, provide it legally, and in many cases make just as much money? Illegal Canadian men are far more likely imho to come to the States for work as it is a much larger market and more forgiving than Canada, specifically as far as academic credentialling (or the lack thereof) is concerned.

I'll bet you a looney I'm right, but only because it's worth 83 cents or so....

Veni, Vedi, Vici - Gaius Julius Ceasar
Vedi, Vici, Veni - Benchseats Rock

Fact: there are several Canadian agencies sending Canadian girls to LA and OC regularly. Reason? They love US men and nothing else? If you don't agree and you don't know how to verify this fact, I can help you if you ask.

Common sense: we are talking about illegals here. The type of jobs that illegal men can do are mostly taken up by Mexican's and South Americans. My gardeners are all Mexican but I've yet to see a Canadian gardener.

**Benchseats Rock** · 10-02-06 21:59

Book Guy,

Why don't you do some actual research on Canadian Law before you look like a moron in an conversation at a dinner party where it may affect your social status?

I'll even give you a chance at redemption. I'll wait a day or two for you to go ahead and post some real information about Canada's laws and attitudes towards prostitution before I post the actual, correct information. Show everyone here that you're not completely talking out of your ass. Or don't. I'm an actual red blooded Canadian. I have a house in Toronto, went to the University of Toronto, and have been thinking of going back for grad school.
Maybe you've been to BC once or twice, maybe you're living in the middle of Saskatchewan - maybe you have friends who told you stories... It doesn't matter. Because you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. So type the phrase "Canadian Prostitution Court Rulings" into Google, read it and tell us that solicitation is illegal, and so is public communication. Parse the difference between that and the drivel you've posted and redeem yourself. Or admit that you were stoned and had no clue what the fuck you were talking about.
Makes no difference to me...

As for the exchange rate theory, its bullshit plain and simple. People travel because they like to travel. New places, new cultures, museums, (none of which to my knowledge have ever been a draw to the Floridian tourist economy but whatever) No Canadian actually thinks that its a deal when the dollars are within 10 cents of each other, have been for a long time and aren't expected to fluctuate more than 5 cents in either direction. In fact, I'm willing to bet that no one anywhere in the world is going to go through the hassle of crossing a border to make 10 cents on the dollar for a couple of weeks. As for Canadians living in Buffalo... I am sure you were buried by the sheer volume of research it must have taken to come up with that fact.

Pfft!

Benchseats Rock

**Double Nickle** · 10-01-06 18:52

Although Korean Massage Parlors currently dominate the scene in the United States of America there are other distinct asian massage traditions that in their classic forms are very easy to tell apart. But things change through time and demarkation lines often disappear. It used to be we had distinct English, Irish, Italian, German, etc. communities and cultures in New England. Today most of us are generic "white," perhaps with grandparents from 4 different european countries (like myself). We may see a future "McAmp" where the different traditions are blended.

The Chinese massage tradition goes back over 3,700 years! The skilled Qi Gong Tui Na practitioner can manipulate joints and muscles to correct misalignments and to restore the natural flow of bioelectrical energy in the body. It is complementary to Acupuncture which I've been too chicken to try yet. Generally only curtains provide a modicum of privacy. The woman remains clothed in unrevealing street clothes. The man gets naked, but is usually covered or partially covered with a towel. A shower is a rare luxury. The towel will be used to wipe off any dirt or perspiration. The back may be walked on, with a single or double rail above which the practitioner holds onto for balance. Fingertip manipulation of pressure points and long hard stroking of muscles with the palms are major parts of the repertoire. The holistic movement borrows heavily from Chinese tradition. But when the artsy-fartsy new age spa advertises a full body massage they are often lying. The genuine Chinese Qi Gong Tui Na practitioner seems to consider attention to the genitals part of the full body treatment as it should be. Many traditional places will be found in or near the various Chinatowns. You may find bargain prices of only $40 an hour, but tip money is important for the masseuses. Many places they will be happy with a mere $20 tip. Repeat customers are favored and a GFE may even develop.

But it is not 1700 BC anymore. I've seen a black woman working as a masseuse in an otherwise fairly typical Chinese tuina parlor. Chinese women of various ages and attractiveness are the norm but don't be surprised to see other nationalities. Away from Chinatown change seems to accelerate. Some places are starting to offer table showers. On the negative extreme, other places do the "full body massage" through clothing.

Over the millenium China has exported many ideas and inventions; over the "silk road" to Europe; across the Sea of Japan to Japan. In Japan the massage tradition developed into "Shiatsu," a Japanese word referring to the use of fingertip pressure. There is a strong tradition of large, elaborate bathing facilities in Japan, so it is not surprising to find them offering table showers. They might even have invented it. My first table shower was in 1984 at the Cherry Patch Ranch, a legal brothel in Nevada. I think the lady who did the table shower might have been Japanese. It is not far across the Korea Strait separating Japan from Korea. So it is not surprising to find one Japanese massage parlor advertising that English, Japanese, and Korean were spoken. Masseuses were trained in Japan or Korea.

Sandwiched in between Japan and China, Korea does not seem to have developed it's own distinct massage tradition, but to have borrowed from the other two. Most readers will be familiar with the classic Korean Massage Parlor, as exemplified in the 10 KMPs shut down in Waterbury, Connecticut early summer this year. Ring the buzzer. Mamasan lets you in and takes you to a massage room to undress. Provider comes in and collects $60 or so house fee. Table shower, back massage, "turn over." "Anything else?" $40 HJ $60 BJ $100 FS. Hot towel. Leave smiling. Most of the girls are Korean but you will see some others. Massage techniques vary, but are often quite good. Variations from place to place provide a bit of spice.

I can say from experience that all 10 Waterbury KMPs offered FS. But some KMPs only offer HJ. This brings them very close to the Chinese parlors. With no need to disrobe, sell up, or be super careful with hygiene the table shower and sexy scanty outfits become less important. In NYC with Chinese, Korean, and Japanese RNT parlors, in some cases you can't tell if you're at a KMP, CMP, or JMP. You can only be certain you're at some sort of AMP, although most of these will probably be KMPs. If you can distinguish between the Chinese, Korean, and Japanese languages, that is probably the best way to tell. But I'm not sure even that is absolutely certain.

Japanese Massage Parlors here seem to be a vanishing breed. Hopefully they will hang on. And hopefully the strong Korean Massage Parlor and Chinese Massage Parlor presences will continue. Tradition, Service, Value

**Member #4186** · 09-30-06 19:28

Canadian women likely travel south for one of two reasons:

1. Business. to increase their client base (considering that there are a large number of Canadians living in small towns close to the US border, where they might find they've exhausted their business opportunities without expansion) and profit (the US dollar being worth more, but prices being nearly identical)

2. Pleasure. it's warmer in Florida, and providers would be likely to travel at least as often as other Canadian citizens simply because they work their own hours and have cash-based businesses, and because they're young independent females

In addition, I'd like to point out that providering isn't literally legal in Canada. In some jurisdictions, there are more lenient restrictions -- for example, soliciting might be illegal but buying and selling not -- but it's not like a Reno brothel where anything goes as long as you pay tax on it; or a Pat Pong barfine girl where anything goes as long as ... well, as long as you can think it up and humanly do it.

**Benchseats Rock** · 07-04-06 02:55

Originally Posted by James D 2004

Look at it anther way, only illegal Canadians are less than illegal Koreans!...
I think illegal Canadians and Koreans are mostly woman. I couldn't imagine a lot of man come to compete for the job market. But Canadian women can just cross the border and earn big money by providing...

Illegal Canadians? Why would a Canadian provider cross a border illegally to provide an illegal service when she can stay home, provide it legally, and in many cases make just as much money? Illegal Canadian men are far more likely imho to come to the States for work as it is a much larger market and more forgiving than Canada, specifically as far as academic credentialling (or the lack thereof) is concerned.

I'll bet you a looney I'm right, but only because it's worth 83 cents or so....

Veni, Vedi, Vici - Gaius Julius Ceasar
Vedi, Vici, Veni - Benchseats Rock

**Bill Bradsky** · 02-09-06 19:47

As has been pointed out on this thread, since the big Fed bust (Whitespider) of Amps for "trafficking" (a joke) there has been an increase in the prices charged.

As the price increases more women want to enter a business where 100k+ can be made by an unskilled immigrant. The crackdowns thus have the net effect of bring more women into the business they are trying to stop.

BB

**Bob Mantis** · 11-16-05 01:19

http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news...d=aL7IcVmTk9JU

Originally Posted by Bob Mantis

From Bloomberg.com:

It's a question officials here in Asia are being posed more and more: Why are your economies so vibrant?

Answers include young and swelling populations, decreased debt, growing cities, emerging middle-class consumer sectors, evolving markets and, of course, China's rise.

Add this to that list: Women and their increasing role in Asia's economies. The idea is that the more opportunities women have, the more vibrant economies are and, consequently, the less need there is to amass a huge public debt to boost growth.

It's an idea bolstered by a new survey by MasterCard International Inc., which compares the socioeconomic level of women with men in 13 Asia-Pacific nations. The gauge uses four key indicators: participation in the labor force, college education, managerial positions and above-median income.

Which Asian nation is doing best when it comes to women's advancement? Thailand. It scored 92.3 of a possible 100, and according to MasterCard's index, 100 equals gender equality. The survey was based on interviews with 300 to 350 women in 13 nations and national statistics.

Malaysia came in second with a score of 86.2, while China came in third with 68.4. The average score in Asia was 67.7.

At the bottom of the list is South Korea (45.5), followed by Indonesia (52.5) and Japan (54.5).

This is probably a contributing factor in the high level of prostitution in an otherwise rising industrial nation. And, having entered the life of prostitution in Korea, women just hop across the Pacific Puddle to the US to continue the trade. I think it's the older or less attractive women who come over here, but we in the US are just not clued into the fact that Asian women look much younger than caucasian women of the same age. It always amazes me that the women we think are only 20 turn out to be in their 40's and 50's.

Ciao!

**Bob Mantis** · 11-15-05 14:18

Originally Posted by J Schwanger

This might help us get a handle on numbers. At MOST, there is 55,000 South Koreans here with out papers. This is half the number of chinese, though I suspect in SK's case it is heavily skewed towards women, and in china's the number is mostly men.

http://www.census.gov/prod/2004pubs/04statab/pop.pdf

Heading No. 7 Estimated Unauthorized Immigrants by Selected States and Countries of Origin: 2000.

Also note under Heading No. 6 how the number of asylum seekers dipped around the turn of the century and is now moving back up. (there might be a few of these that are AMP girls who testify after a raid and get the green card in exchange.)

I think that we could get more accurate numbers from the police, though I would hesitate to ask. After the big bust in July this summer, they should have a pretty good idea of the size and extent of the network.

Based on what I hear from the women working at the KMPs, I doubt that there are many true sex slaves from Korea. Most are here for the $$$. But, most are not that happy to be in their line of work. I hear that often, when I have seen a woman often enough that she opens up and talks more. Some really regret that they made the decision to come to the US.

**James D 2004** · 11-07-05 01:53

Look at it anther way, only illegal Canadians are less than illegal Koreans! So I maintain that in no way the Koreans are leading by numbers, just that they are visible in a way. Store front KMP are rather out standing format. All others use hotels and private apartments. Also some saw the opportunity to open an MP in some smaller cities, not in East or West Coast, with 40, 50 year old Korean woman. This is unthinkable for say Chinese. The age of the women as in the news say it all. You cannot attract good talents as the business opportunity isn't that good. Chinese will probaby think of some other business, and 40, 50 year old Chinese would less likely to think that they can still do the job, and more likely they will think of other things to do and less die hard than the Koreans.

I think illegal Canadians and Koreans are mostly woman. I couldn't imagine a lot of man come to compete for the job market. But Canadian women can just cross the border and earn big money by providing, so are the Korean woman. Chinese would be more equal in the numbers of both sexes. 55K is about one and a half small city in north LA. There could be at least 10 to 20 such cities with mostly Chinese. Huge numbers in SF, NY. So there should be some business opportunities for Chinese men. But women always have the advantage that you know they can repay any debt. The system is the same for different Asian women. You can borrow big money, or promise the smugglers big money, and you repay when you get here.

**J Schwanger** · 11-01-05 10:42

This might help us get a handle on numbers. At MOST, there is 55,000 South Koreans here with out papers. This is half the number of chinese, though I suspect in SK's case it is heavily skewed towards women, and in china's the number is mostly men.

http://www.census.gov/prod/2004pubs/04statab/pop.pdf

Heading No. 7 Estimated Unauthorized Immigrants by Selected States and Countries of Origin: 2000.

Also note under Heading No. 6 how the number of asylum seekers dipped around the turn of the century and is now moving back up. (there might be a few of these that are AMP girls who testify after a raid and get the green card in exchange.)

**Bob Mantis** · 10-29-05 00:54

Originally Posted by Bob Mantis

...So, maybe Koreans dominate the AMP scene for a range of reasons. They outcompete other Asian groups, because they have a better supply chain than other groups and they provide better service. They have imported a tradition from Korea, and maintained the belief that service matters, as taught by the mamasan. And, they are more willing to take the risk to set up MPs here in the US than, say, Europeans are. They do well in the US, also, because Asian women are still considered somewhat exotic. In the setting of a one-hour AMP visit, they do give the impression of being much more willing to please the man than American women do. (Of course, if you ever have one of these women as a girlfriend, you will learn that they are not much different from American women in that they want "stuff", too).

One more reason why Asian women, not just Korean women, do well in AMPs in the US is that they keep a younger appearance at an age when most caucasian women show wrinkles and sag. Plus, they are more likely to be slender and petite than American women. I know that I love a petite, slender Asian woman!