Race N Mongers

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[PsyberZombie]

... I find Posts like *this* =

" If you are black, don't bother giving Sara a call. I drove right up to her place just to have to summarily dismiss me."

Posted by Barista on the Tacoma Board 06-15-05 at 21:20

[PsyberZombie]

I think it's safe to say that we all here condemn the blatant discrimination that Black guys get in life in general , and from Hookers in particular

Take this guy Cye11 , who posts on the Manhattan Board . He writes =

" So after reading about the infamous farrah on the board I finally get the info on her and give her a shout. so we start talking and the convo is great and we are setting up a time to get up when I make the mistake of telling her that i am african american. the whole tone of the convo changes and she tells me that she has a rule not to service black men.....aint that some shit??????? so now I read all this crap about her and I can't even give my own critique because she is a closed minded hoe.......cmon now isn't money green no matter what color the person who posesses it is. what a joke!!!!! "

[ http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/sh...&page=12&pp=15 ; the Manhattan version of this thread continues from that post ]

But what I want to know is = WHY do some of you guys here insist on serving up such Red Herrings as The Cause of this Problem [ Economics ?? ; dys·functional families ?? ; who Cares !! ]

... or other racial stereo·types , like "we should also assume that since a larger pecentage of AMP girls are Korean and Hispanic, those women are genetically pre-displosed to be AMP hoes" , or "most serial killers are White males. I guess White people are more pre-disposed to be serial killers than Blacks, Hispanics, or Asians"

So What ?? Hookers aren't refusing to serve me because I'm fairly light·skinned and most serial killers are , too

The Bottom Line is = as long as black guys commit the majority of crime and violence against Hookers , a lot of these gals are going to reject their business

Here's another Quote from the Manhattan Version of this thread =

" My own ATF P4P Pro adamantly refuses to have any·thing to do with black men =

Twice in her Career she's been robbed , both times by black men , and need·less to say , she isn't gonna let it happen again

And if that wasn't bad enough , last December she was Beaten AND Robbed by two guys of a few hundred dollars worth of Christmas presents she was carrying as well as her purse that held every dime she owned in the world

Care to guess what race those two men were ?? "

[Shark in OC]

PsyberZombie,

The sub set is Black dude from Inglewood, which is know gang territory. If there girls where walking the streets of Ledera Hights, (a relatively decent Black area) problably they would not have as much trouble with black mongers. Obviously this will not happen because the cops would crack down on street walkers there almost as fast as if they were walking Beverly HIlls.

Unfortunately for the girls, the only area that the cops will alow SW action to occur in mass, is in the Black Getto (Yes there are some girls walking Harbor Blvd in OC, but that is not the best or areas either).

The girls must realize that the White dudes who come to the area are not part of the local gang population.

BTW, the continuing rash of robberies of AMPs are being committed by Hispanic men, especially the SM AMPs. So I guess us Black people have missed that niche. I need to get my AK-47, which as many of you white people must know is standard issue to black males, and start competing in this crime market, since everybody in this thread agrees that we have the lock on violence against prostitutes.

Another statistic that I can cite is that most serial killers are White males. I guess White people are more pre-disposed to be serial killers than Blacks, Hispanics, or Asians, if we use the same logic being perpetrated in this thread.

And using the same logic, since inner city gettos are populated largely by black people, and there is more crime in the inner city due to the oppressive nature of the getto (which you all dismiss as a possible reason why a larger percentage of us Black people may commit crimes), I guess we should also assume that since a larger pecentage of AMP girls are Korean and Hispanic, those women are genetically pre-displosed to be AMP hoes. It certainly could not be because a large proportion of those populations are illegal immigrants who have little or no (English) education, and sometimes AMP prostitution set up by some of the vary same Korean pimps who sponsor their entry into the US give them the only alternative for surviving here.

Shark

[PsyberZombie]

.... of P4P gals who want nothing to do with Black guys

Here's one recent one =

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/sh...d.php?p=365909

Relevant Quote =

" She proved to be quite talkative, direct, opinionated (Cops, Blacks didn't fare well) "

WHY do you think this is so , Joe ??

Let me enlighten you = it's not because Black guys' money ain't Green . It's because of Repeated Bad Experiences with members of this group that turns the gals off to them

How and Why a sub·set of one Racial Group became so criminal and violent that people rationally dis·criminate against the entire Group is open to debate

But the IMPACT on you decent guys is un·deniable ; and —— as I wrote here earlier —— Sad , but probably the way things are gonna be for the forseeable future

[Shark in OC]

That was my point about K-town. While this tool, Spek, refers to most of the pimps in Inglewood being black (duuuuuuu!), if you go the Korea town, guess what, most of the pimps are, surprisingly Korean.

This Spek should get a clue someday.

Shark

[Wastrel]

I didn't catch the start of this conversation before it came to this thread (and I'm not sure I want to) but IF it is true that pimping and rip-offs appear to be identified with only one ethnic group in LA then I believe that is probably a function of local demographics and geography. There is no shortage of both highly visible pimping and rip-offs by other races in other places that I see. You can find plenty of white pimps right now in Las Vegas, I can stand on the bridge at Flamingo and LV Blvd and point to at least a half dozen of them an hour, and you will have no trouble at all finding opportunities to get ripped off by a blue eyed blonde Britney Spears look-alike on The Strip, if you really want that.

Just a wild guess, but perhaps it is not particularly comfortable for a white pimp to try to set up shop on the street in some areas, any more than it would be for a black man to try to move in on the business in an arena controlled by ethnic Russian or Cuban or Chinese or Italian guys, and I am very well acquainted with places where that is the way it is. Someone who tries that in the wrong place in the wrong way without paying off the right people could be invited to win a free ride in a Lincoln Town Car...in the trunk.

[Pitching a Tent]

Excellent discussion all with the exception of a few. Usually when some simple-minded folks get themselves all worked up, they feel the need to yell by typing in all CAPS, using swear and cuss words because they have a limited vocabulary, and response by criticising and putting down other opinions instead of clearly stating their own. Thats not having a discussion, thats just plain rude and ill-mannered. Then, not having any solid facts they start to compare the U.S. to civil war torn countries like Somalia and Rwanda of all places to explain our violence. In college logic they call that a "faulty analogy". Those who want to condone "bad behavior" always will. I bet if he tried really hard he could put up a list of twenty extremely poor countries that have a fairly low crime rate. But of course, that wouldn't fit in his tightly held belief system that a hard-working minority American just can't get ahead without resorting to violence.

PAT

[Shark in OC]

Spek,

I will stick to the point, even though this debate has turned into a discusson on 3rd World country poverty.

Again, I don't agree or dissagree with your alleged statistics. Between work, kids, and mongering, I don't have time to deal with such BS. Who cares the color of pimps, or criminals. In fact, I would bet that if the cops really cracked down in K-town, the statistics would change, as there are a lot of underground pimps there, running operations for Inglewood and SM message joints, and places like Parkasian.

Okay, I do see alot of my black brotheren getting arrested, shot, shaken down, etc., on the news, and I don't think it is all because the cops hate blacks. A lot of them must be committing crimes. As I said, as a professional black man, it saddens me.

However, that being said, even if every (Internet) statistic you cite were absolutely true, you are so knowledgeable, I would like to arrange for you to go and speak in front of an NAACP conference, or I can get a few of my larger African American friends and family in a group, and we can see how they would react to your statements.

It is interesting that you hide behind an internet handle on a sex site to spew your statistics. Don't you think it is out of context? If this were a conference regarding race and crime in society, then I would not be so hot on this issue. It is as if you have been doing research on this, and just waiting for any opportunity to spew your statitistics, even if it is on a sex site.

It is so out of context, that one monger even created this thread for you so he did not have to hear it in the mist of talking about hot women.

So, if you think your statements are not racist, let me know how you want to proceed in making those speaking arangements. The context would be even more appropriate than this forum.

Again, it is not what you are saying, but the way and context in which you are saying it. If you were to take a bullhorn, and spew your rantings on the street, your focus on this subject could only be viewed as racist. While you are at it, you can talk about Native Americans, Jewish people, Hispanics, and their sterotypes.

By the way, I was listening to the news this morning about the MS13 gang, and all the revenge killings they are perpetrating. This is the gang that is transporting drugs across the Mexican boarder, and they are notorious for killing cops, innocents, including women and children of suspected informants. Since they are so notrious, and a disproportionate number of the gangs transporting drugs across the Mexican boarder are, surprisingly, Mexican, are we to conclude that Mexicans are genetically disposed to transport drugs in brutal gangs?

We can also talk about the Italian Mofia, and the disproportion of white collar criminals, who are, suprisingly, white.

Again, the context, and way, you make your statements, with such anger, vigor, and enthusiasm, and your joy and enthusiasm in which you defend yourself in making these statements, shows what kind of person you are. You are a jerk at best, not caring if you hurt others feelings with the manner in which you say things, and most likely a racist, who just waits for every opportunity to speak badly about a minority group.

-Shark-

[Wastrel]

Again, this is fact. not my fucking opinion.

No sir, it is your opinion and interpretation based upon your belief system, or your "fucking opinion" if you prefer. Correlation is not causation. The rooster is not necessarily the cause of dawn. One could just as easily choose to conclude that criminal activity causes poverty, either for the individual criminal or the community, and in fact there is much academic evidence suggesting that. One could also find other factors, such as family structure and culture which could give rise to both poverty and crime. In point of fact we now have a lot of experience with hundreds of career criminals becoming wealthy through jackpot legal judgments, and they continue committing more crimes at even faster rates. In fact the "poverty" line in the U.S. is equivalent to the lifestyle of very well off professional people in most countries of the world, and current consumption of todays "poor" excedes that of prior generations of Doctors and Lawyers and other upper income earners, and today's "poor" would be even more wealthy if their non-cash sources such as housing subsidies, food vouchers, energy assistance payments, etc. were counted as income, which they are not. Regardless of that, the fact that violent people don't achieve much academically and financially is hardly surprising or "proof" that they must be violent becuase life is so unfair. Criminals don’t often get college degrees or move in with those who do, therefore the college credentials must have prevented crime? How about a more likely alternate explanation: they didn’t go to school becuase they are criminals, and people who did go to school don’t wish to live with criminals.

I am not sure why you imagine it is relevant to the point you are trying to "prove," but neither you nor anybody else has the slightest idea what "crime rates" are in third world countries, becuase they do not have reliable measures of such things, and define them differently in ways that make such cross-cultural assertions meaningless. The third world country I have spent time living in (Philippines) is quite poor and noticeably safer from the standpoint of many kinds of street crime, and this is true of many poor nations with different cultural traditions. "FBI statistics" you vaguely refer to (it is called the FBI Uniform Crime Report) have never claimed to be a valid measure of the number of crimes committed in one location compared to another, and are not designed to be used for that purpose. They measure police reports, the volume of which is largely determined by the number of police officers employed to write reports, and not by the number of actual crimes. The FBI will tell you this themselves, and they do so in the notes to their annual statistical report.

The fact that some others do not share your political ideology does not make them "ignorant." It simply means they have a different point of view, and if you are able to lower your voice a bit you may be able to learn from them, and they from you.

It seems to me this discussion has conflated race, income or poverty, and social class as if they were all the same thing. They are not, they are separate and distinct things. I sure hope this is not shocking news to anyone, but I think it needs to be said: most African-Americans are NOT poor, most poor Americans are not black, the overwhelming majority of American blacks are middle income and above and have been for a long time, many sub-sets of black Americans (such as black immigrants) have higher average incomes than whites, most individual people in most neighborhoods designated as low income are not poor, and most poor people in the U.S. are that way for only a small portion of their lives.

In my frequent trips to La-la land I choose to spend most of my time in south-central, and my personal pet peeve is the presumption that everything south of the 10 should be regarded as impoverished and criminal. Even some political hustlers within the community play into that nonsense so they can pimp it for their own purposes. This pisses me off, as there are a great many stable prosperous communities within historically black areas such as Compton and and Inglewood with successful accomplished people owning valuable homes of which they have every reason to feel proud. On the other hand, even though I was born there, I can’t really say I like what y’all have been doing with the place while I’ve been away, and I often think the ideology of victimhood has been a destructive force in some of the communities of my old home, becuase it teaches individual helplessness and ridicules legitimate achievement for the benefit of a few low-rent gatekeepers of group entitlements. What most people in south central actually have to worry about being “oppressed” by is the few scumbag violent thugs running loose in their midst and trying to poison their kids.

It should be possible to have a useful discussion of matters of this sort, but I fear that in practice it is not.

[Pitching a Tent]

Joe,

Cool your jets Dude. Obviously your right if you're talking about Ethiopia, Somalia, or Colombia. There is no economic opportunity and often regardless of how hard you work you just won't succeed. I agree thats a major reason for the high crime in places like that. And I agree that its a major reason for high crime in the U.S. because some people think it makes more sense to sell drugs for example than it does to push a lawn mower. I still think its a lame excuse to start breaking laws.

Instead of using blacks as an example as that obviously fries your shorts, lets use a white kid from a poor home as an example. He gets a job a McDonalds that he finds embarrassing, underpaid, lousy, and a complete waste of his precious time. He goes through the motions, does mediocre work, and is soon out of a job and committing petty crimes. I see this all the time even in my own family. Now the Arab immigrant takes the same shitty job but is thinking, if I play my cards right and work super hard I can manage this McDonalds in a few years, maybe even buy a franchise. A year later you drive by and he's the one wearing the tie, getting medical benefits, and making decent money as an assistant manager. Its all in how you look at things.

I think Cosby's advice would apply to all Americans of all races. This is a country of opportunity (sorry, if you see no difference between us and Somalia). Work hard, study hard, stay off drugs, save your money, etc., and you will succeed. BTW, you don't see many unemployed people in this country from the places you mentioned. Immigrants are the hardest working people I know. Within a few years many have surpassed many of their American counterparts of all races in areas of work and academic achievement. How sad if would be for them and all of us, is if when they got here they said: boy, no economic opportunity for me, I can't speak the language, and I'm having to work three minimum wage jobs to survive. I think I'll buy a gun and rob a bank instead.

Pat

[Joe Monger]

There is another very credible theory as to why crime trended down in the 90's.

It was proposed by Steven D. Levitt in 2004 and also found in his book Freakonomics - Chapter 4. An online version of the book can be found until the end of June at

http://www.netlibrary.com/eBookOfTheMonth/129219.aspx

He credits the legalization of abortions for the decline.

A piece of the evidence he cites is that in the states that had legal abortion prior to Roe vs Wade, crime also trended down earlier.

He also has a website at http://www.freakonomics.com/

The guy has some very intriguing ideas besides the abortion theory.

The book is very readable. I recommend it highly. AND it's a free read.

Looks interesting. I'll check it out.

Joe

[Luv To Pop]

So that's why all those third-world countries like Rawanda and Columbia are so "peaceful", right? You have completely missed the point. Do you know what the crime rates are like in most third-world countries? What the standard of living is like? For example, why are U.S. crime rates lower in areas where there are a higher percentage of people who possess college degrees? Why do you think that is? What do you think that's about? You need to STOP spending your $ on hoes and go buy a book or three. And when you're done reading them you should save some more $ and travel to Somalia, Ethiopia, and Columbia. You can rejoice with the rest of the "poor people"...when you're not ducking from flying bullets or tying to evade kidnappers.

Here is a helpful link so you can plan your traveling adventure;
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_mur_cap

I sincerely hope you, and everyone else who has been lurking/posting on this thread checks out the above link. Cross reference some of the data. Open your eyes.

Economics is the primary issue. Look at the link that was previously posted and check the statistics for yourself. This is not an opinion, it is fact. You can stare at the FBI crime statistics all day long, and there is one constant, One common denominator. Violent crime rates are dramitically higher in areas where higher numbers of the population live below the poverty line. That's why "equal opportunity" for everyone is so important. When prople of any color, race, or sex are oppressed they will fight back! It's simple and undeniable. Look around you. When times were good in the 80s' and 90s' violent crime in LA was down. Once the dot-com bubble burst and the economy down-trended violent crime went back up. A good economy=jobs, higher wages, better education, a higher overall quality of life. That naturally leads to lower crime rates.

Predjudice is the child of ignorance. And ignorance, as this thread proves, is clearly not the province or property of any particular race.

Joe

The link you refrenced makes no correlation between poverty and crime. India has less crime than US, and is an extremely poor country while the US is one of the most affluent. The stock market has tended to rise after an old NFL team wins the Super Bowl, but do you really think their is a correlation? I believe crime is more closely related to children who come from single parent families.

http://www.divorcereform.org/crime.html

A discussion can be had without rude personal attacks against people who disagree with you.

[Tripod]

What city is 70% black?

Actually, Detroit is close to 80% black. The city of Inglewood is 47% black and 46% Hispanic. Washington, D.C., which once had the title of Murder Capital of the US, is over 60% black.

Also, another thing we have not touched on is white collar crime vs. blue collar crime. White males in the US are responsible for the majority of white collar crimes in the US and yet they do not get the bad PR that black males get in regards to blue collar crimes. This goes to show that crime, as it appears in the US toay, is actually a sociological and economic issue with a media spin to it.

[Vinifera]

When times were good in the 80s' and 90s' violent crime in LA was down. Once the dot-com bubble burst and the economy down-trended violent crime went back up. A good economy=jobs, higher wages, better education, a higher overall quality of life. That naturally leads to lower crime rates.

There is another very credible theory as to why crime trended down in the 90's.

It was proposed by Steven D. Levitt in 2004 and also found in his book Freakonomics - Chapter 4. An online version of the book can be found until the end of June at

http://www.netlibrary.com/eBookOfTheMonth/129219.aspx

He credits the legalization of abortions for the decline.

A piece of the evidence he cites is that in the states that had legal abortion prior to Roe vs Wade, crime also trended down earlier.

He also has a website at http://www.freakonomics.com/

The guy has some very intriguing ideas besides the abortion theory.

The book is very readable. I recommend it highly. AND it's a free read.