BBFS Providers Manhattan

[MrFrench]

I'm tempted to ask for that now not that I would do it.

Isn't it awkward to ask for their papers?

Damn. Sounds like some really bad communication right there. How do you handle bad dates when that happens?

It is awkward to ask for their papers but if they are asking you for yours, they should be able to reciprocate. One of the nice things about TTS is that they give you an online link and code so you can call the tests up right on your electronic device of choice and view it, or show it to someone else so the papers are there if you someone needs to see them. At least that's the way they did it the last time I got tested by TTS which was about 10 years ago. Since then I've had my own doctor do it because if something does turn up (God forbid), I can get immediate treatment.

[MrFrench]

Sometimes they catch something and get burnt badly then they stop. I had a regular BBFS at kiss kiss pop few years back and one day she said she not doing BBFS or BBBJ anymore. I got the memo LOL.

In this particular case, she had "gone sober and clean". She was a heavy drug user at one point and a major alcoholic according to a former colleague and friend of hers. She had gone into rehab and came out clean. And not doing anything that involved any exchange of bodily fluids of any kind. It really was a shame because I booked a date with her some years earlier, and the date got cancelled because she had just gone into rehab at that point. I wish I had seen her before the rehab; she probably would have been a lot more fun.

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Probably not the smartest move but I enjoyed calling keith / chloe out when dude emailed me talking about "not too confident college kids can afford the appointment. " He got livid when I was like no worries keith, accused me of being a weirdo fanboy, threatened public blacklisting etc. He shut up after I followed up and made it clear I knew his deal and to not contact me again.

No worries gents, I kept it generic. I just fucking hate anyone who beats on women. That shit don't make you a man and neither does living off them. Let me know if I actually need to worry. Otherwise fuck it, it was worth it.

[SlyshyGuy]

Serena Santos no go on BBFS; she's currently in NYC until Monday for 600/ hr. Rather new into the porn industry with a recent scene on Bangbus.

Anyone know about Katrina Jade? She's at 1500 but seems to be managing her own account / emails.

I haven't seen her myself but before she became a pornstar, Katrina was an upscale provider and she used to offer bb as stated in her ads, had to provide papers from what I recall. The strange thing about her back then was that you had to meet her bf before seeing her, for her safety.

[SpaspaHunter]

Ok, so that would have been a game ender for me.

I would have stated something like, "I understand and respect your boundaries. However I'm looking for some very particular services and if I can't be assured that they'll be offered prior to making the appointment then I'm not simply interested in going forward. It would be greatly appreciated if there was some way, perhaps via phone conversation or text, that we could resolve this. If not, I'll simply move along thank you for your time. ".

BUT, since you want to see Shay regardless and would apparently be fine with TOFT, what you did was fine.

I would suggest following some of Me Frenchs pointers. Bring your papers with you and try to see what she'll say.

Also, in my general experience with women, if you're gentle (unless they tell you that they specifically like rough play) and you go down on a woman well enough, for long enough, they'll forget their own names and will be begging for you to fill them up.

That goes with quite a few porn stars too. If you can afford it, that's why it's sometimes worth it to do a few hours. They're people just like anyone at the end of the day. In any service industry, you get what you give, whether you're a provider or a customer.

Whether she's a porn star, escort, SA girl, or a regular girl you met in your normal life, treat a woman right, she'll almost always reciprocate
Hope that helps.

That's a great way to put it. Almost meme-like haha.

Coincidentally I was eyeing Kiki Daire but damn if you're saying she's over charging her fame I'll wait or pass.

Just super curious because one of her porn she was saying she has no cervix.

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Ok, so that would have been a game ender for me.

I would have stated something like, "I understand and respect your boundaries. However I'm looking for some very particular services and if I can't be assured that they'll be offered prior to making the appointment then I'm not simply interested in going forward. It would be greatly appreciated if there was some way, perhaps via phone conversation or text, that we could resolve this. If not, I'll simply move along thank you for your time. ".

BUT, since you want to see Shay regardless and would apparently be fine with TOFT, what you did was fine.

I would suggest following some of Me Frenchs pointers. Bring your papers with you and try to see what she'll say.

Also, in my general experience with women, if you're gentle (unless they tell you that they specifically like rough play) and you go down on a woman well enough, for long enough, they'll forget their own names and will be begging for you to fill them up.

That goes with quite a few porn stars too. If you can afford it, that's why it's sometimes worth it to do a few hours. They're people just like anyone at the end of the day. In any service industry, you get what you give, whether you're a provider or a customer.

Whether she's a porn star, escort, SA girl, or a regular girl you met in your normal life, treat a woman right, she'll almost always reciprocate
Hope that helps.

That helps a great deal. Thank you so much.

[UncleThrax]

Also Uncle Thrax, let me know what your take is on that snippet of email convo.

Ok, so that would have been a game ender for me.

I would have stated something like, "I understand and respect your boundaries. However I'm looking for some very particular services and if I can't be assured that they'll be offered prior to making the appointment then I'm not simply interested in going forward. It would be greatly appreciated if there was some way, perhaps via phone conversation or text, that we could resolve this. If not, I'll simply move along thank you for your time. ".

BUT, since you want to see Shay regardless and would apparently be fine with TOFT, what you did was fine.

I would suggest following some of Me Frenchs pointers. Bring your papers with you and try to see what she'll say.

Also, in my general experience with women, if you're gentle (unless they tell you that they specifically like rough play) and you go down on a woman well enough, for long enough, they'll forget their own names and will be begging for you to fill them up.

That goes with quite a few porn stars too. If you can afford it, that's why it's sometimes worth it to do a few hours. They're people just like anyone at the end of the day. In any service industry, you get what you give, whether you're a provider or a customer.

Whether she's a porn star, escort, SA girl, or a regular girl you met in your normal life, treat a woman right, she'll almost always reciprocate
Hope that helps.

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Also Uncle Thrax, let me know what your take is on that snippet of email convo.

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At that point I would just flat out ask if BBFS CIP is on the menu (unless you want to see the star anyway even if it isn't). If you've already provided verification info and told them you're D / D free and have papers to prove it, they know you're not LE and they know you're serious.

Either they'll answer you candidly and tell you what's available and what isn't or they'll terminate the convo or they'll warn you about explicit talk and threaten to terminate the convo. Adonia at TLC will tell you to pick some providers and she'll find out for you.

Personally, I don't do guessing games or surprises and I've had LONG but polite arguments via email with some providers or their agents until they just flat out decided to speak with me over the phone.

Again, civility, kindness, decorum, and respect are key. Don't lose your cool. They understand that you're looking to make sure you're getting what you pay for and nobody wants misunderstandings in the bedroom. But you've got to be willing to spend a little time getting them comfortable with you before you can be straightforward about what you want..

I appreciate the hell out ya for this. I misspoke when I said I got no negative response but no details either. I meant that I didn't get shutdown or blown up for asking but I was warned off of explicit details. I'm going to post up what I said so you.

This is how this part of the convo went.

Me: I am looking to spend an hour for the first meeting. I'm D&D free and have recent tests to prove it. I would like to know if Shay has any rules or requirements I should be aware of before we meet? Thank you.

Shay's Agent:
We dont discuss any explicit details but she likes good hygiene if that helps. Holly😊

Me: That's never a problem with me. Anyway thank you so much. You've been very helpful and I look forward to seeing her when she comes to NYC. Have a good one.

If I hear "no explicit talk" that's my cue to shut up and color. The way I figure it, this is one I'm TOFTTing anyway because I always wanted to see Shay Sights. She's one of my favorites. Worse comes to worse, I come correct, get told no BBFS, have my fun and get a reference out of it. Then I try my luck with someone else.

I appreciate the headsup with Nicolette Shea. Definitely skipping her. Hope Madison Scott has no issues with that.

[UncleThrax]

Gave the assistant your line. No negative response but no details either. Guess I'll find out soon enough.

At that point I would just flat out ask if BBFS CIP is on the menu (unless you want to see the star anyway even if it isn't). If you've already provided verification info and told them you're D / D free and have papers to prove it, they know you're not LE and they know you're serious.

Either they'll answer you candidly and tell you what's available and what isn't or they'll terminate the convo or they'll warn you about explicit talk and threaten to terminate the convo. Adonia at TLC will tell you to pick some providers and she'll find out for you.

Personally, I don't do guessing games or surprises and I've had LONG but polite arguments via email with some providers or their agents until they just flat out decided to speak with me over the phone.

Again, civility, kindness, decorum, and respect are key. Don't lose your cool. They understand that you're looking to make sure you're getting what you pay for and nobody wants misunderstandings in the bedroom. But you've got to be willing to spend a little time getting them comfortable with you before you can be straightforward about what you want. It varies with each provider and agent. Some are VERY straightforward like Chennin Blanc, Lacey Duvalle, Sexy Vanessa, and Kiki Daire. But they're also older and with the exception of Chennin Blanc charge A LOT.

Some who work through agents like Nicolette Shea (NO BBFS but BBBJ according to her assistant BTW as an FYI) aren't going to be so straightforward. You have to use your discretion, feel out the situation, and know that you can always take your money elsewhere.

Again just my experience.

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I'm tempted to ask for that now not that I would do it.

Isn't it awkward to ask for their papers?

Damn. Sounds like some really bad communication right there. How do you handle bad dates when that happens?

Sounds like she crashed hard. Reminds me of one of my ex's manic episodes. You might dealt with bipolar on an off day? Who the fuck knows. I assume you got out pretty clean MrFrench?

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I think Madison Ivy is available through TheLuxuryCompanion and Adonia is far more reasonable in terms of screening (or at least used to be). Anna Bell Peaks can often be found on cam sites like MyFreeCams. You can always book a private with her, talk with her, and discuss your desires with her directly. I don't think either of them do BBFS though. In fact, I'm pretty sure Anna Bell will shut you down if you ask but I could be wrong.

Run that last bit by me again. What did she do that made you so sure about that? And I take it shutdown means blacklisting huh. Don't want that and don't want to offend / make anyone uncomfortable either. I just want to fulfill a fantasy real quick, nbd.

[SpaspaHunter]

I've almost never had a second date with a porn star (my choice. I like variety) so, yes, the BBFS, when it happened, was on the first date.

You'd be surprised what will set someone off if they are having a bad day.

But, anyway, remember, that porn star I mentioned that freaked out? She didn't freak out because I asked for BBFS. She just turned me down and told me why. She also wouldn't do BBBJ, or even dfk. I was very disappointed by all that because this was a major hottie in the 80's and the subject of many of my wildest fantasies. So, I was having trouble getting hard and started stroking myself. She wasn't facing me at the time, saw out of the corner of her eye my moving my hand around my cock. And she accused me of trying to take the condom off to fuck her against her wishes (something I'd never do). She freaked out and it went downhill from there.

I'm tempted to ask for that now not that I would do it.

Isn't it awkward to ask for their papers?

Damn. Sounds like some really bad communication right there. How do you handle bad dates when that happens?

[DudeNJ]

I've almost never had a second date with a porn star (my choice. I like variety) so, yes, the BBFS, when it happened, was on the first date.

You'd be surprised what will set someone off if they are having a bad day.

But, anyway, remember, that porn star I mentioned that freaked out? She didn't freak out because I asked for BBFS. She just turned me down and told me why. She also wouldn't do BBBJ, or even dfk. I was very disappointed by all that because this was a major hottie in the 80's and the subject of many of my wildest fantasies. So, I was having trouble getting hard and started stroking myself. She wasn't facing me at the time, saw out of the corner of her eye my moving my hand around my cock. And she accused me of trying to take the condom off to fuck her against her wishes (something I'd never do). She freaked out and it went downhill from there.

Sometimes they catch something and get burnt badly then they stop. I had a regular BBFS at kiss kiss pop few years back and one day she said she not doing BBFS or BBBJ anymore. I got the memo LOL.

[MrFrench]

Who pays 1500 to 2000? I've raw-dogged Chenin Blanc, Dana Hayes, Kelly Leigh, Sammy Banks, Nastaya Simmons, Shasha Chanel (now retired), Harmony Heart, Briana Wildman, in LA and Vegas, and I never paid more than 400. In fact, many of those were around 250 or 300. In some cases, videotaping the session was included in the price.

But I agree, just because they are well-known porn stars with films of them getting inseminated online, that is not reason enough, alone, to select them over well-reviewed unknowns. But with "porn stars", you can, at least, see them in action beforehand, and that is worth something. I've found that most of the time, they do indeed perform pretty much just as in their films.

There used to be a list floating around TER about porn stars that could be had for under $500. That list is obsolete now. A lot of them having retired. But yes, a lot of "porn stars" are available for under $1000. These are porn stars that generally have less than 50 films to their credit. Once a porn star starts to become popular, and does more films, her fee goes up to the $1000-$1500 range. Those are ladies that have done 50-100 or so films. After that, the price goes up. The stars that have done 200 or more films generally charge about $2500 or more. In other words, the more films she's done, the more she gets for escort work. Other types of fame will drive up the cost too: Isabella Soprano used to be available for about $500/ hr at the BunnyRanch in Nevada until Dennis Hof featured her on his HBO series and then she went up to about $1500/ hr. Alas, she retired before I had a chance to see her, or to find out actual fees.

This is all generalities though and there are plenty of exceptions. But, if you want to figure out how much a particular porn star is likely to ask for a date, check IAFD.com and see how many films she's done. The more films, the more you can expect to pay.

My first porn star, BTW: Micky Lynn who still charges $250/ hr. .