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  1. #18431
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    Posts: 1258

    Right on

    Quote Originally Posted by BastardChorum  [View Original Post]
    I am throwing it out there that asking for and / or verifying donation first has always been SOP in this hobby, especially outside of kgirls. The safety and security afforded by the kgirl model has mitigated a lot of the horrible outcomes you sometimes come across or hear about. As a matter of fact, it's been so successful to the point that money can be verified after the fact, out of sight and out of mind. Usually and unfortunately, if they verify first then something must of happened to institute this practice.

    I just don't want mongers to equate and conflate verifying donation first as a foreshadowing of bad service. It could or could not. But if it does turn out bad, false equivalence and confirmation bias may be incorrectly established and applied. Logically, how exactly does the act of counting money in any way inform you of how a girl is going to perform?
    BC is absolutely right. This protocol and has been forever or at least 25 yrs. That I know of personally.

  2. #18430
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    Posts: 1258

    The real Nana is underated

    Quote Originally Posted by RocketManP  [View Original Post]
    Mixed reviews are an understatement.

    Nana averages out to a 6.4 performance on TER, and that's even with your three high scoring reviews of her, out of 35 total reviews!
    The new KWapvibe Nana? Don't know about. However the real Nana is the Energizer bunny Nana and she spoils most and gets taken for granted. She is built like a gymnast. Young, tight, compact with curves. If she slowed her roll rather than her usual frenetic pace everyone would be happy. Nevertheless, she is still an E-Ticket ride at Disneyland!

  3. #18429

    Ivy vs Allie

    For all you have visited Ivy, what do you think about her comparing to Allie?

    They seem like the same body type or age.

    Thanks.

  4. #18428
    Quote Originally Posted by BastardChorum  [View Original Post]
    If the point of the trick is to invoke pity and see her more often, then I rather pity the monger that falls for it. Want me to come more often (no pun intended)? Then you need to show and prove it through service. This pricematching shenanigans is deja vu all over again like in the past with Rebecca and Chloe. Hana starts it all off at the $300 mark, then others push up or start at that price. Jealously, envy, and face is damn ingrained in Korean culture and it's a ***** to be caught in the crossfire. Each provider has a right to charge whatever they want and think they can command. However, mongers will ultimately determine if that gambit succeeds or not.
    But the little head down there will prevail. Guys had no complaints about paying Jamie 360 hr well over a year ago and now here we are at 420 hr 2 pop. That ship has sailed and these are the new dates until real new arrivals come. But if 300 with Hana or Ara doesn't satisfy a monger then that guy is one picky dude. They both set a standard for service and attitude. Depending on preference look wise. They set a good standard for the price range. Allie Hana Ara Pepsi well deserving of their rate in today's market.

  5. #18427
    Quote Originally Posted by PlutoKiller  [View Original Post]
    This was my post of like 6 weeks ago.

    "Well, in recent months she lost a couple of her girls to better paying bookers. Money talks and an extra 100 is an irresistible argument for the girls. Providing good looking girls with a good service attitude for a much lower pay will be the challenge for M. ".

    M will have to change her biz model. Sub 300 BBFS is history and she has to take on the better paying competition. M has a huge, loyal customer base and should still be able to offer a better rate than the competitors.
    Loyal customer LOL. Customer will just go wherever the good looking girls are going. If there is a girl I like I will see her doesn't matter which booker she is with. M, B,D or S doesn't matter what alphabet the booker he / she is. Just look at the Hana situation, are the John's more loyal to Hana or M?

    Unless this mythical M thing is the only person in Los Angeles that could bring in girls that are 10/10 in looks then we could talk about being loyal to a booker.

  6. #18426

    My bad

    Quote Originally Posted by BastardChorum  [View Original Post]
    I am throwing it out there that asking for and / or verifying donation first has always been SOP in this hobby, especially outside of kgirls. The safety and security afforded by the kgirl model has mitigated a lot of the horrible outcomes you sometimes come across or hear about. As a matter of fact, it's been so successful to the point that money can be verified after the fact, out of sight and out of mind. Usually and unfortunately, if they verify first then something must of happened to institute this practice.

    I just don't want mongers to equate and conflate verifying donation first as a foreshadowing of bad service. It could or could not. But if it does turn out bad, false equivalence and confirmation bias may be incorrectly established and applied. Logically, how exactly does the act of counting money in any way inform you of how a girl is going to perform?
    My bad for not being more clear. I mentioned it was always a bad sign to me. That's just based on MY OWN experience. I've been in the hobby for about 8 years and I'd say most of the time where I was asked for donation first, the service was not that great. As always, this is just my own experience. Everything in this hobby is YMMV. Just sharing my own experience. Things could be totally different for everyone else.

  7. #18425
    Quote Originally Posted by BastardChorum  [View Original Post]
    I am throwing it out there that asking for and / or verifying donation first has always been SOP in this hobby, especially outside of kgirls. The safety and security afforded by the kgirl model has mitigated a lot of the horrible outcomes you sometimes come across or hear about. As a matter of fact, it's been so successful to the point that money can be verified after the fact, out of sight and out of mind. Usually and unfortunately, if they verify first then something must of happened to institute this practice.

    I just don't want mongers to equate and conflate verifying donation first as a foreshadowing of bad service. It could or could not. But if it does turn out bad, false equivalence and confirmation bias may be incorrectly established and applied. Logically, how exactly does the act of counting money in any way inform you of how a girl is going to perform?
    I agree with you here. Asking for donation upfront is not necessarily correlated with bad service. Some of my best sessions happened with upfront donations. I have heard from more than one booker that they have had customers leave without paying so they have the girl ask for beforehand, but if they already know you, likely they'll skip it. Upcharge girls will usually ask for it before, for obvious reasons.

  8. #18424
    Senior Member


    Posts: 1109
    Quote Originally Posted by BastardChorum  [View Original Post]
    I am throwing it out there that asking for and / or verifying donation first has always been SOP in this hobby, especially outside of kgirls. The safety and security afforded by the kgirl model has mitigated a lot of the horrible outcomes you sometimes come across or hear about. As a matter of fact, it's been so successful to the point that money can be verified after the fact, out of sight and out of mind. Usually and unfortunately, if they verify first then something must of happened to institute this practice.

    I just don't want mongers to equate and conflate verifying donation first as a foreshadowing of bad service. It could or could not. But if it does turn out bad, false equivalence and confirmation bias may be incorrectly established and applied. Logically, how exactly does the act of counting money in any way inform you of how a girl is going to perform?
    Girl told me that some guys pay with counterfeit bills. They take the donation into the other room and mark it with fake detector pen.

  9. #18423
    Quote Originally Posted by BastardChorum  [View Original Post]
    I am throwing it out there that asking for and / or verifying donation first has always been SOP in this hobby.
    Funny cause before I dove dick first into this hedonistic hijinx, I've read that exact same sentiment in the book "Hobbying for Dummies."

    On a related note, most sessions I just conspicuously place the fun tickets on the dresser, then help myself to the BA to wash my hands and BT. Whether she counts it or not is up to her, but the point is to get it out of the way.

  10. #18422

    Alyssa

    With SFK.

    Photos: It's her.

    Looks: A bit of an exotic face but attractive, nostrils are abnormally angled and sharp (surgery probably), has a constant look as if she's squinting at you with a look of doubt, 5'2", man made C's (a bit on the firm side), little ass but looks decent in K9 surprisingly, shaven pussy. Slender figure with soft curves. Pale skin tone, no tattoos, small birthmark under right breast.

    English: A little bit.

    Attitude: Flippant and aloof.

    Service: Overall below average. Limited LFK, no DFK. She moves on to different position at her discretion and insistence. BBBJ was simple and short. K9 was pretty good as her ass become quite shapely in this position. Mish was difficult in particular because she kept her legs stiff preventing deep penetration. As soon as I CIP, she motioned me to get off and went to clean herself. BBFSCIP.

    Expense: $300.

    Repeat: For the price and performance, definitely a no. Her service needs an overhaul along with that attitude.

  11. #18421

    Jool Gina

    With SA.

    Photos: It's her, but P.S. 'ed to trim off excess curves.

    Looks: Very cute face, 4'10", amazing natural D's, OK ass, shaven pussy. Pale skin, short and stocky frame. IMO, she's quite chubby and borderline fat. I do love thick and curvy girls but she's out of my preferred rotundity profile. When your hands are beginning to plump up like hers, you are either pregnant, have periphery edema, or overweight.

    English: Decent amount.

    Attitude: Friendly, bubbly, and aims to please.

    Service: Overall above average. She's gung-ho and cooperative on what you want of her. She enjoys breast play and is very proud of her naturals. Easy going personality lends to a very organic session. Audio feedback was decent. Good DFK throughout. BBBJ was good. Not much DT or BLS though. She was engaged in CG. K9 was Ok. Mish was best with her cute face and bouncing tits. BBFSCIP.

    Expense: $280.

    Repeat: Leaning towards no. Service was good but looks dropping her rating down hard. She would easily be top 5 if she could lose some weight.

  12. #18420
    Quote Originally Posted by MauiDiver  [View Original Post]
    She's always had very mixed reviews. Anybody who decides to see her should keep that in mind.
    Mixed reviews are an understatement.

    Nana averages out to a 6.4 performance on TER, and that's even with your three high scoring reviews of her, out of 35 total reviews!

  13. #18419

    Donation first

    I am throwing it out there that asking for and / or verifying donation first has always been SOP in this hobby, especially outside of kgirls. The safety and security afforded by the kgirl model has mitigated a lot of the horrible outcomes you sometimes come across or hear about. As a matter of fact, it's been so successful to the point that money can be verified after the fact, out of sight and out of mind. Usually and unfortunately, if they verify first then something must of happened to institute this practice.

    I just don't want mongers to equate and conflate verifying donation first as a foreshadowing of bad service. It could or could not. But if it does turn out bad, false equivalence and confirmation bias may be incorrectly established and applied. Logically, how exactly does the act of counting money in any way inform you of how a girl is going to perform?

  14. #18418
    Quote Originally Posted by PumpNDump  [View Original Post]
    Just out of curiosity who was it that you tried as your intial bb experience? Was the pep due to your own precaution?
    It was with Hana, who is my ATF and the only girl I would even think to go BB with. To be clear, I have zero reason to believe Hana has anything, the pep is just me trying to eliminate the albeit low risk because at the end of the day she is extremely popular. I was just saying that the BB game is not for everyone. I've seen Hana many many times and always covered because I just like to play it safe.

    No regrets though, it was amazing and I wouldn't have tried it if it was with anyone else. I imagine if Hana had something everyone would know within minutes, haha.

  15. #18417
    Quote Originally Posted by GoldDust58  [View Original Post]
    Oldest trick in the book. She is getting the business. For the non upcharge girls at orgs do you not notice the popular girls are at $300. Hana Allie Pepsi. I think Ara is well worth her 300. She will literally BBBJ you beyond what other girls will do. She is one of the top in our market currently as far as service and value. She is one of my CF I rotate often. Others are paying 420 for mediocre girls who were once 280 and don't complain. I welcome more good girls like Ara please. Spread the word to NorCal, come down here.

    For the profit comment, they do make more money here. With the NorCal increase, the orgs took half of that increase while LA doesn't change fee. So at the non upcharge rate, SoCal girl would make 20 more still per. The real reason why they stay up there is because it's a smaller market and a large supply of clients. More tech guys obsessed with Asians and they are more consistent. My monger buddy sees 4-5 girls a week but their rate is much lower so they monger more often and book multiple hours. I used to book 2-3 hours often too but I don't down here.
    If the point of the trick is to invoke pity and see her more often, then I rather pity the monger that falls for it. Want me to come more often (no pun intended)? Then you need to show and prove it through service. This pricematching shenanigans is deja vu all over again like in the past with Rebecca and Chloe. Hana starts it all off at the $300 mark, then others push up or start at that price. Jealously, envy, and face is damn ingrained in Korean culture and it's a ***** to be caught in the crossfire. Each provider has a right to charge whatever they want and think they can command. However, mongers will ultimately determine if that gambit succeeds or not.

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