Korean Agency BB

[GoldDust58]

Same for me.

That is the difference between north and south. Bay Area is used to just giving donation first and the majority of girls down here now are coming from Bay Area. The south is more used to it being end of session. I always give it to them in hand up front so they can count to see the pre session tip I am giving. If I leave it to the end I will forget especially if we go over 2-3 minutes and the next guys is waiting. I hear walk-outs have been an issue here. Not much of an issue in Bay Area where pay is usually upfront and sometimes they leave to put it away. Then smooth sailing session. Just my preferences, always up front and tip up front. But I really only see non-up charge girls so I am tip happy saving 100 plus every time.

[Hahasupz]

In all my years of hobbying there have been virtually no occasions where the donation was asked for up front. If it happened two or three times that would be a lot for me. Just my experience. Maybe because I enter as a trusted customer but it has been that way from the beginning.

Same for me.

[HapaBoy86]

Majority of the times when donations is asked up front is due to?

Girl was given fake moola and after she counted it was fake.

Girl opened the sealed envelope or un-sealed and when she counted it was short by 20,40 or even higher.

A girl told me or several have told me they trusted the guy since he repeated. But, when envelope was picked up it was heavier and had a lot 5,10, and only a few 20's that didn't add up to.

Prescribed amount.

A always dummies screw it up for everyone else!

[Toungsten]

Do you feel not trusted or something if it happens often? Idk I really don't care. Maybe it's because I go (or used to) to a lot of storefronts where house fee is upfront or something idk.

What I'm saying is that if it happens often or at all it shows a certain uneasiness or "mistrust" on the part of the girl. I don't know why I wound up doing it that way but I never offered the donation before the we began. Maybe I'm used to paying for a service after it's performed.

[Love Em]

In all my years of hobbying there have been virtually no occasions where the donation was asked for up front. If it happened two or three times that would be a lot for me. Just my experience. Maybe because I enter as a trusted customer but it has been that way from the beginning.

I don't remember being asked for the donation up front, but then, 95% of the time, I place an envelope on the dresser / night stand before we get past the preliminaries in the room. On only a handful of occasions has any of them even looked in the envelope when it's left without them saying anything.

[DHorn420]

I read more stories about those that pay after the session is over and are straight up offended if the girl asks for the donation at the beginning of the session, say it sours the experience for them if they get asked for it upfront LOL so you're definitely not in the minority.

Maybe I'm in minority, but how and when I give money for the session is completely irrelevant to me.

Two of my ATFs:

One always wanted the donation asap.

The other never even touched or looked at the money I put on the bedstand, with me in the room.

Both amazing k-women.

[CptfPower]

Has a few new ones that popped up in the site. Does anyone have any info on them.

[RocketManP]

In all my years of hobbying there have been virtually no occasions where the donation was asked for up front. If it happened two or three times that would be a lot for me. Just my experience. Maybe because I enter as a trusted customer but it has been that way from the beginning.

Do you feel not trusted or something if it happens often? Idk I really don't care. Maybe it's because I go (or used to) to a lot of storefronts where house fee is upfront or something idk.

[Toungsten]

Maybe I'm in minority, but how and when I give money for the session is completely irrelevant to me.

Two of my ATFs:

One always wanted the donation asap.

The other never even touched or looked at the money I put on the bedstand, with me in the room.

Both amazing k-women.

In all my years of hobbying there have been virtually no occasions where the donation was asked for up front. If it happened two or three times that would be a lot for me. Just my experience. Maybe because I enter as a trusted customer but it has been that way from the beginning.

[RocketManP]

Maybe I'm in minority, but how and when I give money for the session is completely irrelevant to me.

Two of my ATFs:

One always wanted the donation asap.

The other never even touched or looked at the money I put on the bedstand, with me in the room.

Both amazing k-women.

[TheAbc]

Avoid both unless you into 40's plus. Plastic surgery did not do enough for the 2. That specific org uses fake photos. Don't trust any of it. At least with some orgs there is some similar facial profile.

Rain and Hana is the best we will ever get and it comes once every 3 to 4 years.

If you want younger go on seeking arrange and bb the 20's for 400 but it will require some time and work and you have to put in 10 minutes a day to start the useless chit chat banter dance for several months before you land a 20 yr old that will bb you weekly. But once you get the plate rotation going its pretty worth it. Make them meet you at your schedule and place.

The third alternative is to go to Tj and drive several hours but you'll see quality better than the Korean organization, Hana is the exception.

Thanks for the info on Casey. I was thinking of going this week but I knew the pics were too good to be true. This agency is like the Palace and they look like they only stock older milfs hence the non upcharge. I really miss young talent with skill. Rain was one of the best in recent years. I've seen some since she left and maybe 1-2 were close in terms of both looks and service. Until this shit blows over, the scene is just upcharges, milfs and recycled girls.

[DHorn420]

I saw high end escorts before seeing Kgirls. So out of habit, I always lay out the money first. I do this now with Kgirls and 70-80% of the time when they see the donation first, their shoulders drop and are more relaxed. Does it make the service better? Shit if I know since I've been doing this since day 1 of seeing Kgirls LOL I've never paid after the session is over and wouldn't want, not sure what girls might have anxiety over not getting paid first or having that client run off because he didn't like the experience and is not going to pay anything in the end LOL so for me, lay it out then it'll be out of sight, out of mind and pure fun from that point on.

I am throwing it out there that asking for and / or verifying donation first has always been SOP in this hobby, especially outside of kgirls. The safety and security afforded by the kgirl model has mitigated a lot of the horrible outcomes you sometimes come across or hear about. As a matter of fact, it's been so successful to the point that money can be verified after the fact, out of sight and out of mind. Usually and unfortunately, if they verify first then something must of happened to institute this practice.

I just don't want mongers to equate and conflate verifying donation first as a foreshadowing of bad service. It could or could not. But if it does turn out bad, false equivalence and confirmation bias may be incorrectly established and applied. Logically, how exactly does the act of counting money in any way inform you of how a girl is going to perform?

[Kent747]

Wow, I've never seen M without anyone. Dying out like the palace?

Once girls establish themselves and deveop business connections, they realize that they can be indies with multiple bookers and sub rent apartments from various sources. Without M or other owners, girls can pocket that extra $80-120 to themselves. The reason there are a lot of same girls in different sites now is because they work as indies with multiple bookers. Before covid/closure of CV, girls exclusively were attached to just one booker and/or house.

[BrownPoopBB]

Avoid both unless you into 40's plus. Plastic surgery did not do enough for the 2. That specific org uses fake photos. Don't trust any of it. At least with some orgs there is some similar facial profile.

Rain and Hana is the best we will ever get and it comes once every 3 to 4 years.

If you want younger go on seeking arrange and bb the 20's for 400 but it will require some time and work and you have to put in 10 minutes a day to start the useless chit chat banter dance for several months before you land a 20 yr old that will bb you weekly. But once you get the plate rotation going its pretty worth it. Make them meet you at your schedule and place.

The third alternative is to go to Tj and drive several hours but you'll see quality better than the Korean organization, Hana is the exception.

[GoldDust58]

Idk dude, I have no horse in this race but to me it seems that money talks and Ms reputation, as good as it is, is struggling to compete against raw money. It's a quantity vs quality and safety issue, it seems, and it looks like many girls are choosing the former.

Oh for sure. Time will be the judge. Anything can happen. Newcomer org comes around with new young hotties and you will see how the business will change then. It's fickle because the only thing that matters is green paper.