One can go on and on about computer OpSec but it's hard to beat TAILS for privacy and security; it's a more technical solution than a VPN, of course, but VPNs are (as you discovered) blockable.
Let me put it this way: if you're an agent in China working to support dissidents, you're probably using TAILS.
I think it is very important to use a VPN while contacting providers. I use an app phone number and use mobile data with a vpn. Just to mask my IP address etc. Anyone else use a vpn when using certain sites and contacting providers? A VPN should work on any site and app. Wifi or mobile data. Sites that all of a sudden stop certain access due to a presence of vpn are weird IMO. Speaking of this. Anyone having trouble using this site at times with a VPN.
One can go on and on about computer OpSec but it's hard to beat TAILS for privacy and security; it's a more technical solution than a VPN, of course, but VPNs are (as you discovered) blockable.
Let me put it this way: if you're an agent in China working to support dissidents, you're probably using TAILS.
I think it is very important to use a VPN while contacting providers. I use an app phone number and use mobile data with a vpn. Just to mask my IP address etc. Anyone else use a vpn when using certain sites and contacting providers? A VPN should work on any site and app. Wifi or mobile data. Sites that all of a sudden stop certain access due to a presence of vpn are weird IMO. Speaking of this. Anyone having trouble using this site at times with a VPN.
Your spare phone will not show YOUR location, it will show the location of your SPARE PHONE.
Keeping those two from being associated with each other is another thing to be aware of.
Keep the fact that you have a SPARE (I. E "old and busted" phone) that you are STILL using to yourself. PERIOD.
I have a shoebox full of old tech at home. I have 3 phones that I know I could use if I wanted to in there, and the "Obama Phone" that I currently use (yes, it's THAT OLD) goes in that box (it's set to silent, LOL) whenever I come home.
I didn't mean to intimate that the application could avoid cellular network tracking, so thanks for pointing that out.
A spare phone without a SIM would work for me. But if I was at an AMP and using their wifi on my spare, would my spare phone give up my location? I guess if I was not sharing it to Find My iPhone and didn't have any other apps such as Life360/ Verizon Family Base / etc. I would be incognito, right?
Your spare phone will not show YOUR location, it will show the location of your SPARE PHONE.
Keeping those two from being associated with each other is another thing to be aware of.
So, this doesn't quite do what you think it does. It will work for some applications by setting a mock location, but its only for apps on the phone itself. What this won't do is protect your location from.
1). Law Enforcement.
2). Cell network level location provides (think Verizon Family Base for instance).
Both of those use a combination of GPS + Cell tower triangulation to determine location. Now, if you are really worried about that stuff, the easiest work around would be a second phone. I for instance tend to upgrade a phone every 2 years and still have older phones laying around. They don't have a sim so they can't talk to the network towers, but with google voice, I just turn my phone on to forward calls to the google voice number. My real phone sits at home, while I use my spare phones GPS + OSM maps app (offline maps so I don't need a network connection) to navigate around. I'll pop up near a coffee shop for the free wifi, check if I got any messages / VMs, then off I go again.
Now I understand that might not be feasible for some (college SB for instance), but, in that case, to hide your location, just throw the phone in a signal proof bag, do your traveling and what not, then when you get back home, pull it out the bag. Sure, that inconvenient for her not being able to snap pics of food for the gram, but, at least it shows that the last place she was at was home and it looks like she never left, just dropped signal for x hours.
I didn't mean to intimate that the application could avoid cellular network tracking, so thanks for pointing that out.
A spare phone without a SIM would work for me. But if I was at an AMP and using their wifi on my spare, would my spare phone give up my location? I guess if I was not sharing it to Find My iPhone and didn't have any other apps such as Life360/ Verizon Family Base / etc. I would be incognito, right?
It's $20 per quarter, which isn't cheap, but it's cheaper than getting busted. Also, as I think you discerned, it will work with whatever iPhone that you plug it into. Doesn't use an app on the phone, works off a Mac / PC tethered. You set the location, unplug the phone, and the phone's GPS is locked in until you reboot the phone.
My intention was to revive this thread with other tactics that are more modern than 2017. And GPS tracking a la Find My iPhone and especially Life360 are much more pervasive than they were four years ago. So, hopefully users will add some more updated strategies for staying undercover.
So, this doesn't quite do what you think it does. It will work for some applications by setting a mock location, but its only for apps on the phone itself. What this won't do is protect your location from.
1). Law Enforcement.
2). Cell network level location provides (think Verizon Family Base for instance).
Both of those use a combination of GPS + Cell tower triangulation to determine location. Now, if you are really worried about that stuff, the easiest work around would be a second phone. I for instance tend to upgrade a phone every 2 years and still have older phones laying around. They don't have a sim so they can't talk to the network towers, but with google voice, I just turn my phone on to forward calls to the google voice number. My real phone sits at home, while I use my spare phones GPS + OSM maps app (offline maps so I don't need a network connection) to navigate around. I'll pop up near a coffee shop for the free wifi, check if I got any messages / VMs, then off I go again.
Now I understand that might not be feasible for some (college SB for instance), but, in that case, to hide your location, just throw the phone in a signal proof bag, do your traveling and what not, then when you get back home, pull it out the bag. Sure, that inconvenient for her not being able to snap pics of food for the gram, but, at least it shows that the last place she was at was home and it looks like she never left, just dropped signal for x hours.
Not only would this be useful for hiding *my* location, it would also be exceptionally helpful for those of us who have college age SB's. Last year I was seeing this smoking hot sorority girl at UGA and her parents had her locked down with the Life360 app. She had a workaround, but it was a real pain in the ass every time she spent the night with me or we went out of town. She was always worried about her parents keeping up with her location anytime we got more than a few miles outside of downtown Athens. This would have helped a lot.
It's $20 per quarter, which isn't cheap, but it's cheaper than getting busted. Also, as I think you discerned, it will work with whatever iPhone that you plug it into. Doesn't use an app on the phone, works off a Mac / PC tethered. You set the location, unplug the phone, and the phone's GPS is locked in until you reboot the phone.
My intention was to revive this thread with other tactics that are more modern than 2017. And GPS tracking a la Find My iPhone and especially Life360 are much more pervasive than they were four years ago. So, hopefully users will add some more updated strategies for staying undercover.
This product is a game changer for my mongering tendencies.
Nice find, thanks!
Not only would this be useful for hiding *my* location, it would also be exceptionally helpful for those of us who have college age SB's. Last year I was seeing this smoking hot sorority girl at UGA and her parents had her locked down with the Life360 app. She had a workaround, but it was a real pain in the ass every time she spent the night with me or we went out of town. She was always worried about her parents keeping up with her location anytime we got more than a few miles outside of downtown Athens. This would have helped a lot.
I suspect many of us have a need to have our personal phone with us at all times, but are worried that we are being tracked by our SO, children, etc. And if you have an iPhone, it's way harder than with Android.
You connect your iphone to a laptop, launch the app, then enter in the address you want your phone to display in GPS. Then you go wherever you want and the GPS location on your iPhone will not change. When you are done hiding your location (from Find My iPhone, Life360, etc.) then you just reboot the phone and the GPS is accurate again. The application can also do some other cool tricks, but this one alone is worth the price of admission. You can trial the application a few times before you have to pay for it, and it doesn't add an application to your phone either.
This product is a game changer for my mongering tendencies.
I use Google Voice for all texting and voice calls unless they already know who I am. Plus, it is nice to be able to switch between texting on the phone and texting on a computer. It would be wise to use a burner phone for everything anyway. Go reverse search your phone number at truepeoplesearch dot com.
For those whom I trust enough to give them my personal digits, but I still want to hide from my SO, I use Handcent. It has a separate password protected inbox. You can even change the notification icon and create a discreet notification for private box messages-great if she gets a hold of your phone and looks at the notifications on the lock screen.
For those who are tech savy, root your phone and install LineageOS. It has a feature for hiding apps you select from the app folder and putting them into a password locked folder. This is fantastic if someone does get ahold of your phone.
If you use WhatsApp, try WhatsApp lock. It hides the app and creates a discreet notification when a msg is received.
I use Google Voice for all texting and voice calls unless they already know who I am. Plus, it is nice to be able to switch between texting on the phone and texting on a computer. It would be wise to use a burner phone for everything anyway. Go reverse search your phone number at truepeoplesearch dot com.
For those whom I trust, but I still want to hide from my SO, I use Handcent. It has a separate password protected inbox. You can even change the notification icon and create a discreet notification for private box messages-great if she gets a hold of your phone and looks at the notifications on the lock screen.
For those who are tech savy, root your phone and install LineageOS. It has a feature for hiding apps you select from the app folder and putting them into a password locked folder. This is fantastic if someone does get ahold of your phone.
If you use WhatsApp, try WhatsApp lock. It hides the app and creates a discreet notification when a msg is received.
So here's my situation: I have a live-in SO and mostly joint bank accounts, she sees the phone bill every month / etc. We have a pretty hard agreement on not snooping on each other after she got really possessive on me earlier in the relationship, I had to shut that shit down. I've built some policy around how I handle seeing other women to ensure I don't have any issues, I'm also stupidly consistent with it despite not being a serial monger (I may see a girl once a month / every other month at most).
My current mongering rules / setup is the following:
1. Phone Hardware. My phone is locked down exceptionally hard. I already have multiple phones due to work, carrying yet another is just an annoyance I cannot / do not want to handle. I have an Android personal phone, my work phones aren't relevant here. My personal phone screen locks after 30 seconds of inactivity and has pattern locking enabled. As a general rule (IANAL, read up on it), you can be compelled by the court to give up something you have (a phone) or something you are (like fingerprints or DNA), but not necessarily something you know (a password or information). 5th amendment protections have generally been ruled to not apply to the first 2, but they do for things in your head. This is not settled yet by a Supreme Court ruling, but it will eventually make its way there as there have been several privacy issues at Appellate. Locking your phone with a fingerprint may seem secure, but if it's the ONLY method you're using on your phone you are doing yourself a disservice. You've already lost pretty hard if you're at that point, but layering your protection starting with your SO or the public and working your way up to criminal protection is the best strategy.
My phone will delete all data and brick if the pattern code is entered too many times incorrectly, and the number is high enough to survive my drunken attempts to unlock it but is low enough to blow away my data if someone tries to brute force it. I keep no data on the phone I care about that isn't synced elsewhere, what I mainly want to prevent is anyone viewing my open applications or other related data I can't easily see.
2. Phone Data. I have a daily google account I have used for nearly 15 years, I also have a monger account that only exists on my phone. I have never logged into it anywhere else and never will. I only use it for emailing on craigslist, being my email account of record for things like SA, etc. I have a google voice # associated with the monger gmail account that I use for calling and texting girls, I do not have integration enabled to call by default in place of my normal number and texts are the same way. If I want to call someone on the gvoice number, I have to go in and manually do it. I never have wifi enabled when I monger or do anything over wifi that I wouldn't want someone to see. I always use incognito mode to view material like this site, I am a very frequent reader (some of you guys crack me the fuck up when I have a couple minutes of downtime to read) so I just leave the tab open along with backpage and a few other sites at various times. There's always a risk someone grabs my phone and sees it, but that's not a high risk for me and I'm not super concerned. I save no incriminating data on the phone ever for any reason, I immediately remove anything that's dangerous same day. I keep the various things I need in google drive for the monger gmail account, again not setup to sync anywhere / login anywhere / etc. All that information is in my head. I also have MFA enabled for the monger account using a phone # for the MFA piece that actually goes to another gvoice number on a different unrelated account. All passwords used for the monger accounts are not shared anywhere else, they are unique. Same for usernames, you won't find something like Reaper anywhere near the rest of my accounts anywhere online. As some of you have noticed, Google Maps will track where you've gone, you can deal with that by disabling the GPS on the phone. I do that before I leave for a monger session and enable it when I get back. I also regularly clean that information out as part of my data retention policy (I nuke shit regularly to avoid too much building up).
3. Home PC. Besides making posts like this in Incognito mode I never use my home PC (or any device for that matter, beyond my phone) to do anything monger related. That won't stop a search warrant for ISP data information, but along with a proper cache cleaning will prevent anyone from finding data on the PC that's worthwhile. If I wanted more security I'd use a VPN that runs through a non-US country, but I don't need that level of security as I'm not doing anything *that* illegal (no underage, no runaways, no pimping, etc) that might land me in federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison. Again none of my mongering accounts / etc are ever used from a PC except this site and occasionally a BP browse, and those are all done with incog on. You could also use Tor in place of a real VPN, but again that won't protect you if you're doing some Federal shit since the FBI operates exit nodes in multiple countries. They won't care about a guy buying pussy unless it's underage / trafficked / etc. I don't do much on the PC, so I don't have a heavy security presence for it beyond a unique password for the login and I keep it locked when I'm not on it. I do have an encrypted SSD with all my data on it that uses TPM, so you have to have a specific USB device plugged in to actually power the PC on and have it boot. You're not recovering the data on it without the key, and I carry the key with me at all times. I haven't tested how easy it is to destroy the USB key beyond just stepping on it, it would honestly be easier to just drop it in a toilet or the ground and no one would know how to use it honestly.
4. Car. I like to do street walkers with the occasional UTR / BP / SA side piece, and I always do incalls or car dates. That means girls always see me with my car, I take steps to remove 'memorable' things about my car. Try to be as plain and inconspicuous as possible. I carry a 9 mm handgun with me at all times even when I'm not on monger patrol, it always has a round in the chamber with the hammer cocked and the safety on while in a CCW holster. If I'm not wearing it, it's in the same spot in the car always. I have another 9 mm pistol that's 24/7 in the center console and never leaves the car except for using it on the range or cleaning. Training yourself to always do things in a repeatable manner prevents panic in a crisis. My weapons are always in the same position with the same configuration, I don't even have to think about where they are or whether they're loaded, etc. I do the same for everything else, I always put my money in the same spot in the car, I put my wallet and valuables in the same spot in the car, I clean it and keep anything loose in the car in the same place all the time, etc. I often even fill up the car and put a couple drinks in the center console for going cruising. I take any personally identifying information of mine and where I work removed from the car, it's usually in the trunk since I have to keep a lot of work related stuff with me at all times. I inspect the inside and outside of the car before I ride off to FIB or the nearest hooker hotel, it's stupid things like broken tail lights that get someone's attention so don't have anything busted on your ride. I also inspect the car BEFORE I get home after a session and fix anything that needs it. Putting stuff back in the car seats that was in the trunk, making sure some crack ho didn't leave her equipment in my backseat (and yea I've found a fucking pipe in my back seat before after a session), make sure any condom wrappers are removed and disposed of at a public trash can, etc. I keep condoms and cash in my work bag in a small compartment that's not easily visible, I store nothing else in that section of the bag and I always inventory what I take out and put back in to make sure I'm not missing anything.
5. Money. I have a personal account that isn't visible to anyone but me, I use it for play money I siphon off my main SO shared account every month. I do personal investments, projects, and things like that from this account. I pull cash via the ATM (ATM fees are refunded by the card issuer) and NEVER use the credit part of the card. If I need to pay for something like SA, I buy a gift card with cash and use that to do it. I use the same fake name / address / etc for those cards, the address is legit but it's a PO Box. I never use my normal accounts for anything monger related, even if I want some food it comes from the private account if it's related to a monger trip. This avoids doing something stupid like fueling up on FIB when I live in the northern suburbs and the SO noticing the gas station location. I keep that life completely compartmentalized as much as possible, especially finances.
6. Personal Info - I have a monger persona I use, this includes a name, address, phone #, etc. I've already mentioned most of this, but this is how it's tied together. I always use that info if I have to, and I change some of it on a schedule (phone # every 6 months for example). It hasn't happened yet, but I had a LEO run-in I would provide my legitimate information. There is no overlap in my monger and legit identity beyond my vehicle, if I was really concerned about that I would actually use a rental or just steal a set of plates I could use only during a monger encounter. That seems more dangerous to me than just doing things as I do, so I haven't considered it legitimately. I am looking into ways to prevent photos from being taken of my plates, since I think that's the only significant weakness in my setup. Not so much for the cops, but for some trick that gets knocked up to come after me for support. I try to avoid that by being careful how I park and approach a situation and ensuring that I don't put myself in a situation where a chick gets knocked up and is riding around in my car. I love blasting loads in chicks as much as the next guy, so it is a weakness of my setup that I'm aware of and have just accepted for now. It's a bit of a thrill that I enjoy honestly, but I know that it could come back to bite me until I get fixed.
You're doing great, the only thing I would suggest you change is getting an actual separate burner phone and stash it somewhere that way it's not connected to your personal phone at all, the other thing is I would not monger on my home computer at all I only do it on my cell phone and in case of an emergency I'll ditch that as well and the insurance will give me another one and the last thing and this is just my personal opinion I would get rid of gun that will only bring more trouble. So if you're in a situation where you being robbed just drop the money and walk away. If the gun comes out the police comes out and you're on the news and your SO knows about it.
Any service like Google voice or the one you have right now is going to be on your phone and it will be somehow attached to either your phone number or your IP address or both, what I do and I suggest you do as well, is go to Walmart get a cheap non-smart phone and by the year-long prepaid card that is worth about 80 bucks so you don't have to be reloading all the time.
When all the agencies got busted about a year ago they had a bunch of mongers contact phone numbers and it was a huge investigation with RICO charges, if anything like that were to happen again (and more than likely it will at some point) you can just toss your phone out the window and buy another one for 30 bucks.
Stash this phone somewhere safe and never turn it on neither at home or office.
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