Sugar Daddy & Other Related Websites

[Waxxon]

Bump of an old post. Can add to #5. Lot of fakes, wannabe sb's due to bad advising on the crap social media.

Welcome to the Bowl. First off, it is a learning process, is time consuming, can be frustrating if you let it get to you, but the bottom line it is very rewarding when you're reaping the fruits of your effort.

There are some basic tips / rules.

1. Do not forward $ in advance, or buy them a car and she says she will pay you back etc. Or you will learn the hard way. There are all kinds of stories of SD's losing out, even to an SB you "trust". Buyer beware.

2. Do not pay for M&G, this just encourages and perpetuates the problem. We all have something the other side wants. No honey. No money.

3. Do not overpay. Aka GPS. This is obviously subjective and some cities command higher allowances. Two. Three hundred seems acceptable to many sb's for a couple hours of their time. Not many jobs provide that kind of hourly compensation. Do the math. Of course, this is a free country and they can ask for whatever they want, and you can pay whatever you want. Simple market economics. There are a lot of fish out there, and you may not get the one that you "must have" unless you cough up big allowance. Give it a day, there will be other opportunities.

4. Have a rotation of as many sb's as you can handle physically and financially. It's not unheard of having a rotation of 4-5, some drop off for one reason or another, you may have 1 or two that are your #1 or #2 sb with some options that you keep in your harem.

5. There seem to be a lot more pros out there, you will quickly sense which ones. Nothing wrong with pros, I like them.

6. Develop some game.

7. Age is a personal preference. Everyone has what they feel is their sweet spot.

8. Don't let flakiness, no call no show (NCNS), ghosting, bother you. It happens on both sides. Sure it's irritating, write them off and find one that values your time and generosity as much as you value theirs.

9. Married, it's your choice whether to reveal. Some out there don't want to be home wreckers, some don't care, some prefer it, some will be upset if you mislead them.

10. PPM vs monthly? Most of us do ppm, monthly creates a situation where one side feels they get shortchanged if a date is missed, while there is no incentive for the other side to fulfill the agreement. After you have established a trustworthy sugar relationship, it may work well.

11. Enjoy yourself. Be safe. You're here for a mutually beneficial experience.

I've probably forgotten many things. Other experienced SD's out there with any comments?

Lots of good info on other places here. Visit other threads. See Richmond thread http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...-Index-and-FAQ.

[Waxxon]

Fair points. I guess I was thinking along the lines of if we're hanging out for a couple hours, a couple times a month, and the allowance / gift was averaging out to 20-30 bucks an hour, it might not be that lucrative for her if she was just trying to play me. But we still haven't settled on numbers yet, so she could want a lot more.

One girl I was talking to some time ago seemed really chill at first, and then said she wanted 3 k / month. But if that was a lot all at once I could give it to her in installments, 1 k every 10 days.

You can proceed in whatever way suits your needs. If she wants to just hang out and talk because she's lonely, OK. I don't provide any allowance just to be graced by their presence or watch them stuff their pie hole. I make it clear, no hunny no munny. See how well that goes over with these fakers. No allowance or gratuity for their time. They have something you want, you have something they want. If they don't want to take care of and keep you happy, NEXT. Giving $ away or overpaying promotes and encourages scams and GPS. There are others out there albeit it sounds like the scams and fakers are taking over. Keep at it and find a real sb, they are out there

[Dudeonthecouch]

Wrong. You never invite a hooker in your own home. Her gangbanger BF sitting in their beat up Honda parked in your driveway casing your place while you fuck her on the couch where you sleep at night.

Don't shit in your own backyard, especially if you live in one of the most expensive zip codes in CA. That's what hotels are for.

You're right it's safer no doubt. It's always better to meet somewhere else first if you plan to bring the girl to your place. I got my own place in a safe area have banged over 250 SA girls over the years. This is only for guys who are very experienced with SA. Obviously saves a ton of money if you have a regular its more comfortable and convenient for you.

There are risks, but if you are cautious you should be fine. Out of the 250 + I've banged only had issues 3 times.

One ***** stole my sunglasses, I got them back because she wanted to see me again, of course I never let her near my place again. Hide valuables.

Another one threw a pizza I ordered on the floor because she turned out to be a shitty, poor service escort that didn't want to do anything she agreed and gave me hey I have to go pick up my friend And I'll come back. So I gave her 60 told her her this isn't working for me and we're not a good fit and not to come back If you are going to reject someone, do it in a safe place. For 3/250, I'll take my chances. But lesson learned is reject outside of your place.

I've scored tons of gems. Truly regular college girls that are not seasoned hustlers, former strippers, escorts. True girls next door that are sweethearts and freaks in bed. Since the pandemic, the gems are fewer and fewer. I just came off the worst SA month I've ever had. Usually bang 12 minimum per monthly subscription. Out of the ones I bang, usually 3 will be worth a repeat for me and adding into a regular rotation.

Since the inception of cash app / Venmo, only fans, etc, quality of girls has dropped significantly. Have a spine, don't tolerate any bull shit. New girls are joining everyday. The best are the ones you get to mold into whatever you desire.

[Pay to Play]

Fair points. I guess I was thinking along the lines of if we're hanging out for a couple hours, a couple times a month, and the allowance / gift was averaging out to 20-30 bucks an hour, it might not be that lucrative for her if she was just trying to play me. But we still haven't settled on numbers yet, so she could want a lot more.

One girl I was talking to some time ago seemed really chill at first, and then said she wanted 3 k / month. But if that was a lot all at once I could give it to her in installments, 1 k every 10 days.

Those girls are either a scam or suffer from Golden Pussy syndrome. Either way I will usually block them and move on. In my several years time using SA, I would estimate about 5-10% of my initial messages would result in a conversation, and less then that would result in a date. And when I say date, I mean getting laid. YMMV.

[RyanE36]

These Sugar babies, you guys are willing to shell out 3 k / month or even more?

Why?

So, I was not willing to shell out 3 k for her. I can't remember what she had to offer. I think she was talking about sending pics and videos at first and them moving towards more intimate arrangements. I politely declined the 3 k. She hit me up a few more times asking what I could offer, she wasn't that hot, so I just kept saying sorry, no way I could get close to her original number and didn't want to disappoint her with a low ball offer.

[DrPornDawger]

Fair points. I guess I was thinking along the lines of if we're hanging out for a couple hours, a couple times a month, and the allowance / gift was averaging out to 20-30 bucks an hour, it might not be that lucrative for her if she was just trying to play me. But we still haven't settled on numbers yet, so she could want a lot more.

One girl I was talking to some time ago seemed really chill at first, and then said she wanted 3 k / month. But if that was a lot all at once I could give it to her in installments, 1 k every 10 days.

These Sugar babies, you guys are willing to shell out 3 k / month or even more?

Why?

[RyanE36]

SA is full of women with the same story. Not yours is not legit, but it is an art to keep you thinking there might be the potential of more so that you keep investing. IMO, you can do that for free through any dating site. If I don't get laid on the first date from SA I'm out. If she really just wanted company why would she be on a site that is entirely geared up the SB life style. Good luck if you choose to move forward, or you can keep searching and easily find one that will put out first meet. My average is 300-400 per meet. I have only had one date on SA where I didn't get laid first meet. That one it became pretty obvious she was playing me and never saw her again.

Fair points. I guess I was thinking along the lines of if we're hanging out for a couple hours, a couple times a month, and the allowance / gift was averaging out to 20-30 bucks an hour, it might not be that lucrative for her if she was just trying to play me. But we still haven't settled on numbers yet, so she could want a lot more.

One girl I was talking to some time ago seemed really chill at first, and then said she wanted 3 k / month. But if that was a lot all at once I could give it to her in installments, 1 k every 10 days.

[PussyPumper]

Yes. I am totally agree with no flight list. Please create one. Thanks.

Already reported here several times over last few years, IIRC.

https://www.seeking.com/member/0cdc3...0-600d6d5168a0

[Pay to Play]

Did a M&G with a girl the other day. Seems pretty cool. Actually I happened to message her on her first day of being on SA. Just went through a divorce, said she has a good job, just needs some emotional and physical support, and would appreciate some gifts here and there. Didn't specify any amounts, or what kinds of gifts. Said she's not necessarily looking for anything sexual right now, but more like platonic cuddling and movie watching and stuff. Also not looking to get involved long term.

Still new to the game, didn't want to potentially ruin something by being too forward. The vibe I got is something mostly platonic, someone to keep her company now that she's single, until she can find someone more her age to actually date. But who knows what happens when you're cuddling up on a couch watching a movie, right? She was cute, seemed cool, and pretty young. I think potential is there for this to be something good. Should I invest the time for something that may never move past platonic? How much would you give gift wise? Or just an allowance? Start small and see how it goes? Or actually try and nail down numbers we'd both be ok with?

SA is full of women with the same story. Not yours is not legit, but it is an art to keep you thinking there might be the potential of more so that you keep investing. IMO, you can do that for free through any dating site. If I don't get laid on the first date from SA I'm out. If she really just wanted company why would she be on a site that is entirely geared up the SB life style. Good luck if you choose to move forward, or you can keep searching and easily find one that will put out first meet. My average is 300-400 per meet. I have only had one date on SA where I didn't get laid first meet. That one it became pretty obvious she was playing me and never saw her again.

[RyanE36]

Did a M&G with a girl the other day. Seems pretty cool. Actually I happened to message her on her first day of being on SA. Just went through a divorce, said she has a good job, just needs some emotional and physical support, and would appreciate some gifts here and there. Didn't specify any amounts, or what kinds of gifts. Said she's not necessarily looking for anything sexual right now, but more like platonic cuddling and movie watching and stuff. Also not looking to get involved long term.

Still new to the game, didn't want to potentially ruin something by being too forward. The vibe I got is something mostly platonic, someone to keep her company now that she's single, until she can find someone more her age to actually date. But who knows what happens when you're cuddling up on a couch watching a movie, right? She was cute, seemed cool, and pretty young. I think potential is there for this to be something good. Should I invest the time for something that may never move past platonic? How much would you give gift wise? Or just an allowance? Start small and see how it goes? Or actually try and nail down numbers we'd both be ok with?

[Jedi69]

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8. Shitty escorts are taking over SA, that think that a shitty experience with them is worth $500. Had to kick a girl out of my house that wanted $600 for no kissing, CBJ, I told her I was insulted, and want to be treated like how she would treat a bf. She left promptly.

Wrong. You never invite a hooker in your own home. Her gangbanger BF sitting in their beat up Honda parked in your driveway casing your place while you fuck her on the couch where you sleep at night.

Don't shit in your own backyard, especially if you live in one of the most expensive zip codes in CA. That's what hotels are for.

[Dudeonthecouch]

1. Never ever pay for meet and greet, no play no pay.

2. always ask for a full view / recent pic showing the whole body, fatties zoom in on their face to hide their figure, preferably video call.

3. set the expectations ahead of time, be clear and confident in what you are looking for.

4. don't get stuck on one chic, these girls are fickle, you need a plan a, b, c, and D.

5. If you see a girl and bang her, her biggest fear is that you will never see her again, make sure to tell her you are looking for a regular that appreciates you and wants to make you happy, whatever it takes to please you. This is to ensure she gives it her all, there are a lot of lazy girls that think you a desperate and will accept a shitty time.

6. this should have been number 1, never ever send any money before meeting. Not even 1 cent, this is for sure a scam.

7. meet in a setting with an easy out, preferably coffee, smoothie, ice cream, drinks. Lunch or dinner can be awkward if a fatty that you don't want to be around shows up.

8. don't be afraid to discuss expectations beforehand. Shitty escorts are taking over SA, that think that a shitty experience with them is worth $500. Had to kick a girl out of my house that wanted $600 for no kissing, CBJ, I told her I was insulted, and want to be treated like how she would treat a bf. She left promptly.

9. never ever pay any cash upfront. Always after the deed is done. Another sneaky thing is they will pretend they were scammed or fucked and not paid, its bullshit, they are the scammers.

10. Also girls that want to text too much before meeting and chat too much, don't give in to their time wasting, tell them lets continue the conversation in person, lets meet at whatever day or time suits you.

11. You call the shots, you set the terms, this is your arrangement. If you she is cool with it great, if not there are plenty of others that are down with your program whatever it may be.

12. I've had to evolve and change my techniques over the years, in the past, I would take a lot more chances and score a gem, these days, can't take those same chances and risks anymore. Its a minefield, but there are still gems to be found.

13. Report all scammers and block their number and account, post a warning. I've had some bad experiences, some I am embarrassed about because I knew better, but stick to your guns and have confidence you will score.

14. Have fun and stay positive, have a friendly profile, any negativity in your profile can be a disqualifies for lots of girls.

15. Get Laid. That's what its all about, good luck out there.

[JWalker350]

Thank you so much for sharing and I am sorry for the experience.

We really should have a "no flight list" here on SA. At least within our SD County.

Yes. I am totally agree with no flight list. Please create one. Thanks.

[Waxxon]

As long as no one pays that much, the price has to be down. I hold very firm on max price of 300 when dealing with them. I still have my long term SB.

Don't cave and overpay. Things may have nudged up, but 500 seems crazy gps. My reasoning, just about all POT will immediately agree to 500 because that's like hitting a jackpot. Most will easily agree to 400 and with some negotiation quite a few will take 300. If you are a skilled negotiator, have some game, you can do even better. It's market dynamics, if guys fold their cards easily and overpay, it just drives up the ppm because it becomes too easy for them to cash in. I'm at 1200/ mo with my ATF and she is just as GFE and more as any serious GF I've ever had and we spend several hours together. Granted we've known each other for almost 2 years. A couple alternates I met early this year are happy with 200. I believe it works for them because I live nearby, they feel safe and it's convenient and fun. I just say no to gps, if they are not happy with 100+/ hr, they can go hungry. Don't forget, there are other POT sbs out there

[SNathan]

Gents.

Won't repeat.

Private message me for details.

Anyone seen her?? She is trying to get in touch with me multiple times.

Not sure if she is genuine.