Sugar Babies and Arrangements 2. 0

[Madaboutmax]

Thanks for the re-post.

I still use essentially the same process and it works well for me and my target demographic.

Here is Madaboutmax's advice post 14689 on the Richmond SB thread. Very useful!

[JonnyRockett]

I know we all probably have different expectations from our SD / SB relationships, but it seems to me she wants am awful lot and has only hinted at platonic companionship in return.

If you're ok with that, then she seems like a good catch. She sounds smart and she's mature enough to know what she wants and not afraid to ask for it.

Good luck, brother.

JR.

Any info on her?

https://www.seeking.com/member/2e034...8-08fb54cd25e6

[BumbaCloth]

Any info on her?

https://www.seeking.com/member/2e034...8-08fb54cd25e6

[Snake27]

In my pursuit of "Amateur" SBs, I've learned a few things I've found to be important.

1) I catch them right after they first join. Like its been said, before they get jaded or chased away by the p4p offers.

2) I have a profile pic and an interesting profile, but not arrogant profile. Show a sense of humor and humility.

3) I compliment them in my first message and demonstrate I read their profile. Many are looking to be treated better then guys their age so I play the part by being a gentleman.

4) I share my success in past long term arrangements. Most newbies want someone who knows what they are doing and can show them the ropes.

5) I express an interest in developing a friendship, but not a serious relationship. They don't want to feel like escorts, but also don't want a boyfriend.

6) I make sure they know I understand the concept of an allowance, but never discuss specifics and that I make it clear i won't try to be the highest bidder. This weeds out the gps girls.

7) I subtly introduce my interest in intimacy, but i don't focus on it. This makes them feel like less of an escort, but also weeds the platonic girls.

8) I move offline quickly. I need to get them before they get jaded and disable their profile.

9) I don't push too hard, because I don't want to appear desperate or spook them away.

10) I schedule a meet and greet quickly. I never provide an allowance for the meet and greet, but also make it clear there are no expectations from them.

11) I always show a sense of humor. This takes the tension out of the discussion ad helps then feel comfortable.

12) I expect this to take a lot of work and I get rejected often, but I enjoy the challenge and the hunt. Persistence has paid off. Finding a straight p4 p deal with an escort doesn't meet my need for the "thrill of the chase".

I've had some great experiences that keep me coming back for more. I've had all night multiple rounds with extremely beautiful and freeky women where we never discussed an allowance (I've just slipped them something on their way out). This type of "relationship" allows many women to explore their freeky side in a comfortable non-judgemental setting.

I'm sure I've missed some other points and would be interested in things others do to pursue the elusive "Amateur" SB.

Here is Madaboutmax's advice post 14689 on the Richmond SB thread. Very useful!

[Snake27]

Madaboutmax's advice post is number 14689 on the Richmond SB thread. Whenever I click on that link your post is down the page by varying amounts, like sometimes 3rd, sometimes 7th. So that's why I'm giving the post number, at least that probably doesn't change. BTW, you could consider updating it or posting it here. Also, I didn't mean to imply that there is a right way or wrong way to go about this game. It's right when SB and SD agree and are happy. For example there is some stuff I'm not into, but who am I to judge?

[Madaboutmax]

I forgot I wrote that back then. I'm glad my experience has helped others. Sounds like you have a great SB. The best SB's I've been with have become friends. I'm still friends with my first long term SB from almost 9 years ago. We text each other a couple of times a week and have met for dinner a few times recently even though we haven't dated in maybe 7 years.

Nice to see someone knows how to do it. I still remember your advice on pursuing the kind of girl I like -- the "amateur".

http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...Not&p=3729118. . (3rd post down on that page.).

Report on the girl I've dated since May. She's a thin muscular girl with pitch black skin who ran track in HS. Very sweet and affectionate, but not too affectionate. We text 3 times a week and date about once a week, 300 ppv, usually at her house but sometimes at a hotel because she's afraid of her reputation. She says she's exclusive to me and made a point of showing me screenshots of herself deleting her SA account. She was shy and scared on our first meet. It seems she had a bad childhood and has trouble trusting people. She's attending community college and is smart enough, but not very intellectually curious.

When we meet at her house, she meets me at the door naked and smiling. The sex is great, we have a great rapport, the best I've had with an SB. After a couple months I told her I should stop because I'm spending too much, my usual problem. But she wouldn't let me go. She said we should work it out -- the frequency, the amounts, maybe even free sometime. She persuaded me. It's difficult to find someone like her on SA, so I'll continue. I've spent more money on her than on any other SB, but it's not too bad because I don't go anywhere anymore -- an unexpected benefit of COVID-19.

[Snake27]

I was finally able to get her to meet for a M&G. Took me weeks. She seemed very nervous and cautious at first, but loosened up. We agree to start an arrangement and our first real date was last night. I was not disappointed. At all! She spent the night and we went multiple rounds. She is a keeper!

Nice to see someone knows how to do it. I still remember your advice on pursuing the kind of girl I like -- the "amateur".

http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...Not&p=3729118. . (3rd post down on that page.).

Report on the girl I've dated since May. She's a thin muscular girl with pitch black skin who ran track in HS. Very sweet and affectionate, but not too affectionate. We text 3 times a week and date about once a week, 300 ppv, usually at her house but sometimes at a hotel because she's afraid of her reputation. She says she's exclusive to me and made a point of showing me screenshots of herself deleting her SA account. She was shy and scared on our first meet. It seems she had a bad childhood and has trouble trusting people. She's attending community college and is smart enough, but not very intellectually curious.

When we meet at her house, she meets me at the door naked and smiling. The sex is great, we have a great rapport, the best I've had with an SB. After a couple months I told her I should stop because I'm spending too much, my usual problem. But she wouldn't let me go. She said we should work it out -- the frequency, the amounts, maybe even free sometime. She persuaded me. It's difficult to find someone like her on SA, so I'll continue. I've spent more money on her than on any other SB, but it's not too bad because I don't go anywhere anymore -- an unexpected benefit of COVID-19.

[RavensFan2012]

Had high hopes for this one. Mature and nice. Made plans for a meet and greet today. Confirmed this afternoon but she ghosted me. Couldn't even have the decency to cancel. I should stop being surprised by the type of women I encounter on this damn site.

[Madaboutmax]

I'm looking to see her as well let us know.

I was finally able to get her to meet for a M&G. Took me weeks. She seemed very nervous and cautious at first, but loosened up. We agree to start an arrangement and our first real date was last night. I was not disappointed. At all! She spent the night and we went multiple rounds. She is a keeper!

[EyeGetsPussy]

Curlyxshaa. Donated 200. Bubbly chick with an athletic body and good personality; followed guidance given. Foreplay included BJ, DATY, and some fondling of the breasts. After I was at full erection, we proceeded to covered full sex and had a pleasurable time. Rocked her world nicely in missionary, and I put her on all fours with a great view from rear stroking in and out. It was time to finish up activities so I went hard to the end letting my semen seep out in the condom. We cleaned up and left.

https://www.seeking.com/member/ffd48...d-f713e4b17cb6

[EyeGetsPussy]

I appreciate the feedback.

Thanks for the great reviews, is it possible you could provide the profile links to these ladies. The seeking search engine is HORRIBLE so a link could help. Thanks. I have spoke with Amazon a few times and she always seems to go ghost when we text. Hard to get up with her.

[MrDarkSkin1991]

Tiia. Withdrew 180 from the ATM and donated the entire amount to cover fun with this chocolate treat. She is the real deal behind closed doors. Nice smooth brown body, round ass and firm breasts. Started off with her giving one hell of a sloppy BJ. She can deep throat and didn't mind playing with the balls. Lots of eye contact & dirty talk which was a huge turn on. After my dick was hard I honed in on her firm perky breasts and took them in my mouth. Great feedback from her and then dove in for a little pussy tasting. Nice pretty clit and pink pussy lips and she easily climaxed as my tongue devoured her. Chick loves DATY and didn't object when I placed finger in her asshole. Grabbed protective device to cover up and explored her in multiple positions (CG, MISH) and finished in doggie. Great rear view while smacking that booty. She's great with the sound effects and I could tell I was stretching that tight pussy to the limit from her reactions. Pussy creamed up nicely and after about 15 minutes thereabouts in doggie, it was time to blow my load. I pulled out and yanked off protection and jerked hard until I released warm cum all over her chest and breasts. As customary we freshened up, said goodbye and left the establishment.

Dutchess. Nice thick brown skin sister in all the right places and had a good time. Good attitude and aims to please. Contributed 150 donation and the sexual proceedings began. Overall cool meeting, started with BJ which got me nice and stiff. Dutchess has a decent set of breasts and I enjoyed sucking on her nipples. Went down below and paid attention to her fat juicy clit. Worked her good with some finger play until she was good and wet. Pulled out the condom to protect myself and went to work. Laid her down on her back and enjoyed myself for a while in missionary. Decent moans as I stroked deep. After MISH, put her on all fours at edge of bed and rammed home hard in doggie. She loved her ass being spread apart and smacked in the process. We both were into it and after a decent amount of time it was time to let go. Pulled off condom and turned the Dutchess over and had her watch as I massaged my dick with a vengeance until I cummed all over pussy! Both of us were fully satisfied, we washed up, gave each other a hug and went on our way.
Carolina Gal. Handed over 200 donation and had a perfect encounter with this chick. Will definitely be seeing her again! Girl has a banging body, super smart, and loves to please and be pleased as well. After getting formalities out of the way, we commenced with some light kissing and fondling which heated things up. Stretched her out flat across the bed and dined at the why, and other areas below. She got super moist and in almost no time she was panting until she reached her first O! Changing positions she seductively looked at me as she began a nice, soft and sensual BJ. Nice sounds and use of hands, along with her tongue and lips running the length of my pole. It didn't take long at all for me to achieve full erection and I was ready for more. After covering up, I had fun digging her out in CG and Doggie before finishing up in missionary. Enjoyed having those pretty legs over my shoulders as I pounded hard until finally busting in the condom. After finishing we engaged in a bit more small talk before finally cleaning up, saying goodbyes and leaving.

Lady Empress. Very good meeting despite no oral provided on first meet up. She's a mature lady and we settled on 120 as a donation. She arrived at the destination and was very friendly. She's very talkative and the touchy type. LOL which didn't bother me. After getting undressed, I laid down for a wonderful massage. She has a decent body and I had no trouble getting hard without the BJ. I then took a trip downtown for some DATY action immediately and we both got into it. Great feedback from sounds I was getting out of her and she let it be known when she came. Satisfied she had gotten her first O, I put a bag over my hard dick and placed her on all fours in the bed. With that pretty face in the pillow and ass up high, I went to work pounding that kitty out straight doggie style until I busted in the bag. We freshened up and made some more small talk before finally saying goodbye and leaving.

Thanks for the great reviews, is it possible you could provide the profile links to these ladies. The seeking search engine is HORRIBLE so a link could help. Thanks. I have spoke with Amazon a few times and she always seems to go ghost when we text. Hard to get up with her.

[EyeGetsPussy]

Tiia. Withdrew 180 from the ATM and donated the entire amount to cover fun with this chocolate treat. She is the real deal behind closed doors. Nice smooth brown body, round ass and firm breasts. Started off with her giving one hell of a sloppy BJ. She can deep throat and didn't mind playing with the balls. Lots of eye contact & dirty talk which was a huge turn on. After my dick was hard I honed in on her firm perky breasts and took them in my mouth. Great feedback from her and then dove in for a little pussy tasting. Nice pretty clit and pink pussy lips and she easily climaxed as my tongue devoured her. Chick loves DATY and didn't object when I placed finger in her asshole. Grabbed protective device to cover up and explored her in multiple positions (CG, MISH) and finished in doggie. Great rear view while smacking that booty. She's great with the sound effects and I could tell I was stretching that tight pussy to the limit from her reactions. Pussy creamed up nicely and after about 15 minutes thereabouts in doggie, it was time to blow my load. I pulled out and yanked off protection and jerked hard until I released warm cum all over her chest and breasts. As customary we freshened up, said goodbye and left the establishment.

Dutchess. Nice thick brown skin sister in all the right places and had a good time. Good attitude and aims to please. Contributed 150 donation and the sexual proceedings began. Overall cool meeting, started with BJ which got me nice and stiff. Dutchess has a decent set of breasts and I enjoyed sucking on her nipples. Went down below and paid attention to her fat juicy clit. Worked her good with some finger play until she was good and wet. Pulled out the condom to protect myself and went to work. Laid her down on her back and enjoyed myself for a while in missionary. Decent moans as I stroked deep. After MISH, put her on all fours at edge of bed and rammed home hard in doggie. She loved her ass being spread apart and smacked in the process. We both were into it and after a decent amount of time it was time to let go. Pulled off condom and turned the Dutchess over and had her watch as I massaged my dick with a vengeance until I cummed all over pussy! Both of us were fully satisfied, we washed up, gave each other a hug and went on our way.

Carolina Gal. Handed over 200 donation and had a perfect encounter with this chick. Will definitely be seeing her again! Girl has a banging body, super smart, and loves to please and be pleased as well. After getting formalities out of the way, we commenced with some light kissing and fondling which heated things up. Stretched her out flat across the bed and dined at the why, and other areas below. She got super moist and in almost no time she was panting until she reached her first O! Changing positions she seductively looked at me as she began a nice, soft and sensual BJ. Nice sounds and use of hands, along with her tongue and lips running the length of my pole. It didn't take long at all for me to achieve full erection and I was ready for more. After covering up, I had fun digging her out in CG and Doggie before finishing up in missionary. Enjoyed having those pretty legs over my shoulders as I pounded hard until finally busting in the condom. After finishing we engaged in a bit more small talk before finally cleaning up, saying goodbyes and leaving.

Lady Empress. Very good meeting despite no oral provided on first meet up. She's a mature lady and we settled on 120 as a donation. She arrived at the destination and was very friendly. She's very talkative and the touchy type. LOL which didn't bother me. After getting undressed, I laid down for a wonderful massage. She has a decent body and I had no trouble getting hard without the BJ. I then took a trip downtown for some DATY action immediately and we both got into it. Great feedback from sounds I was getting out of her and she let it be known when she came. Satisfied she had gotten her first O, I put a bag over my hard dick and placed her on all fours in the bed. With that pretty face in the pillow and ass up high, I went to work pounding that kitty out straight doggie style until I busted in the bag. We freshened up and made some more small talk before finally saying goodbye and leaving.

[Johnny 5]

Has anyone else been seeing things like this?

I had a girl message me two days ago on SA. The seeking line sounded maybe platonic, but the about me said "I am going through a very hard financial situation due to COVID-19 and willing to talk about any arrangements you have in mind," so I followed up. I replied and she sent her phone and email. We exchanged a few pleasantries thru email and I went back to her profile before turning to "business" and it now has added "As much as people want to have an arrangement with sex, I am saving myself for marriage," still with the "any arrangements" line. I can see missing a word in a long paragraph, but no way I missed that whole line. WTF, ok whatever. She replied back this morning, but I've cut off comm.

Another sent me a "hello" message late last night. I checked out her profile, it said "Spoil me and you won't regret it. I'm down for whatever you're interested in" and had tags of NSA, FWB. Was tired, so I only replied "hi" back. Went back to look at it this morning to reread the profile to come up with a better reply and it has that same "whatever" line with "Online ONLY" added at the very end. Again, no way I missed that. Still has the NSA FWB tags.

I've never seen profiles do a 180 in what they're seeking in the couple years I've been on there. Now there's two in 36 hours. Is this some new time wasting or bait and switch game, or just two weird coincidental cases?

I have seen it before with new profiles in their first couple of days, not so much with the ones who have been around a while. Even if they changed it to indicate platonic, I would still talk with them for a few more messages and let them confirm it directly to me. Sometimes they'll say online only or platonic in an attempt to avoid getting more explicit messages.

[Nymking]

Has anyone else been seeing things like this?

I had a girl message me two days ago on SA. The seeking line sounded maybe platonic, but the about me said "I am going through a very hard financial situation due to COVID-19 and willing to talk about any arrangements you have in mind," so I followed up. I replied and she sent her phone and email. We exchanged a few pleasantries thru email and I went back to her profile before turning to "business" and it now has added "As much as people want to have an arrangement with sex, I am saving myself for marriage," still with the "any arrangements" line. I can see missing a word in a long paragraph, but no way I missed that whole line. WTF, ok whatever. She replied back this morning, but I've cut off comm.

Another sent me a "hello" message late last night. I checked out her profile, it said "Spoil me and you won't regret it. I'm down for whatever you're interested in" and had tags of NSA, FWB. Was tired, so I only replied "hi" back. Went back to look at it this morning to reread the profile to come up with a better reply and it has that same "whatever" line with "Online ONLY" added at the very end. Again, no way I missed that. Still has the NSA FWB tags.

I've never seen profiles do a 180 in what they're seeking in the couple years I've been on there. Now there's two in 36 hours. Is this some new time wasting or bait and switch game, or just two weird coincidental cases?