Philly Sugar

[Newbie1961]

Lots of questions. But lots of answers in these forums. Start reading them in all cities. Thats how I learned a lot. The more you have to lose / risk in your lyfe the less SA makes the best sense as an option. Your going to have to take more risks and exposure (to make it really pay off and get your moneys worth out of it) than meeting a high end pro discretely at a 5 star hotel for an hour.

Getting tired of poor experiences in escort scene and thinking of transitioning to SA. Great forum very informative and just had a few questions for more experienced SA users.

Married and in professional world, so hesitant to give pictures or credit card. Are picture necessary for success on site? (Decently attractive, more concerned they get in wrong hands). Looks like some using visa gift cards, can you typically just buy at local target type store and they work internationally as site requires?

Can't host locally, do you find many on SA will host after a positive m&g off-site? Not a huge fan of car dates.

I see Lots of people getting banned. How do you make it clear you do not just want platonic while not going too far and being banned?

[Rubber Ducky Boston]

Getting tired of poor experiences in escort scene and thinking of transitioning to SA. Great forum very informative and just had a few questions for more experienced SA users.

Married and in professional world, so hesitant to give pictures or credit card. Are picture necessary for success on site? (Decently attractive, more concerned they get in wrong hands). Looks like some using visa gift cards, can you typically just buy at local target type store and they work internationally as site requires?

Can't host locally, do you find many on SA will host after a positive m&g off-site? Not a huge fan of car dates.

I see Lots of people getting banned. How do you make it clear you do not just want platonic while not going too far and being banned?

I believe you need a picture to be able to do some stuff on the site? I forget, its been a while since I was premium. But I just took a picture of myself, blurred out the face and stripped it of all potentially identifying info, and used that with no problem (I'm in decent shape though, and dress well IMO). Also for the picture make sure its one you're not using anywhere else. Even with blurring and modification, it might be possible for people to reverse image search it and link it to you.

I believe you can use anonymous credit cards to pay for it. There are some out there. I believe the ones you get from like Target and such do require you to register your personal info though, so they aren't completely anon. Not sure though.

Almost NO SBs on SA will host. They're either living w / family or roommates, and doing this for extra money, so they aren't usually in a place financially where they have a private place to host. So factor hotels into your costs. Car dates are not really a good idea, you're going to look stingy or poor, either way not what a SB is looking for, not to mention WTF are you going to do for a several hour date in a car? Also I'm single, and not super old, so discretion isn't as important for me, but if you're meeting up in public places, people you might know might see you around.

Regarding avoiding platonic, you can make it clear in your profile (without being explicit and getting banned) that you're looking for something less platonic, more physical. You can also read people's profiles to see what they're looking for. Some will straight up say platonic, others won't but it will be clear from what they say. Also when you talk to them, you can ask them what they're looking for, why they joined the site to get an idea what they want. You can also make it clear in your messages that you're looking for fwb, nsa, hookup buddy, whatever term that connotes non-platonic. Then try to move them off the site and onto texting where you can speak more openly without getting banned.

Note that most SBs do NOT want to think of themselves as sex workers. They think what they're doing is something different, more elegant, enhanced dating, whatever, even though it really isn't. If you treat them like that (cut too much to the chase, make it too direct about $$ for intimacy, whatever) many will reject you. This is another reason why the whole car date thing is a terrible idea, its going to make them think you think of them as just a random streetwalker, and that won't work. The exception are pros and semipros on the site, but those are the people you said you're trying to avoid by going into sugaring anyways.

[Burbs Monger]

She is on the pricier end of the scale at 4. 5 with no travels to Greece, however it appears no translator is required but no cip based on my conversations with her. I have no taken the chance yet, but to those that have is she that thin in real life? The pics she sent me she is awfully thin?

Thanks and Be Safe.

I might see her next week. Can I ask what the damage was?

https://www.seeking.com/member/b39a1554-36a7-42d3-b09a-95a2b4baa1c0

[DaveHebner]

Getting tired of poor experiences in escort scene and thinking of transitioning to SA. Great forum very informative and just had a few questions for more experienced SA users.

Married and in professional world, so hesitant to give pictures or credit card. Are picture necessary for success on site? (Decently attractive, more concerned they get in wrong hands). Looks like some using visa gift cards, can you typically just buy at local target type store and they work internationally as site requires?

Can't host locally, do you find many on SA will host after a positive m&g off-site? Not a huge fan of car dates.

I see Lots of people getting banned. How do you make it clear you do not just want platonic while not going too far and being banned?

[Newbie1961]

Yes I broke the bank this month. I spend honestly 150-300 (which is normal for the STL area) each with the average about 200-250. Some months when I have an active membership I can go through 2000-2500 a month. I don't pay for M&G, coffee / diner dates or shopping sprees. They all come to my house. So all funds go directly towards the pussy. Of course this tapers off after I just live off the numbers I collected. Many of these girls I decide not to see again so it was just a one time thing. You do have to strike when the iron is hot on many, but some are out of town or at school so I catch them when they return. Sometimes the ones that I wouldn't pay their price will text me weeks / months later when times are tough saying well what are you comfortable with? I cast a wide net so this month the age range was 18-37. The oldest was listed as 32 but I found out her real age after we met. At my age I can't do 2 a day or every day, so when I am active on there probably 3 a week is about my average. I am broke and exhausted, but with a big smile on my face.

I see your point.

Getting the number is not that difficult. It's managing those. If you are not able to meet them within say 1-2 weeks, most of them will ghost. And I wonder how you managed seeing 11 new within a month. Given an average 250-300, and meeting someone new every 2-3 days, I am guessing you did shell out about at least 3 k in that month I wonder what age group and type were those?

[Apothecary]

I see your point.

Getting the number is not that difficult. It's managing those. If you are not able to meet them within say 1-2 weeks, most of them will ghost. And I wonder how you managed seeing 11 new within a month. Given an average 250-300, and meeting someone new every 2-3 days, I am guessing you did shell out about at least 3 k in that month I wonder what age group and type were those?

I use ExpressVPN but many are available. So its not a plug for that company. Remember an IP address is your fingerprint. Regarding SB if you read one of my post in another forum it is my opinion that it is one the biggest rip off sites out there. I have used it twice and will never return. Yes I know everybody hates Wade and his SA / WYP sites but SA is the only game for me. Any credit based site has less girls and never a good value. At least with SA I pay the house 3 bucks a day to message every girl on there if I want. SB is loaded with Fembots that do not really exist. You sit on you hands waiting before you spend credits on someone that might be fake or not work out. With SA you can carpet bomb every girl that you might be interested in with messages. I join for a month, fill up my dial-a-ho directory and take a break. I did my 30 days to catch the girls home on Holiday break and returning to school after. In 30 days I got 48 phone numbers and was able to fuck 11 new ones. I will try to work the rest of the numbers when my membership expires and I take a break for a while.

[Hobbyist777]

Hi, are you willing to share her digits? I no longer has a paid subscription to seeking.com. Trying to see if you can help. Also, what are the damages and is that a incall or outcall?

I've met with her. She is a semi-pro. Not as good as her pics but who actually is these days?

[BuffBill75]

I met her. Paid the Full Freight. It was worth every single penny. Great find. ANd yes, I look forward to seeing her again and again.

She is so sexy, dresses sexy, and made me feel happy, excited, and satisfied. Ill forget the cost over time, but not her. Recommend.

I might see her next week. Can I ask what the damage was?

https://www.seeking.com/member/b39a1554-36a7-42d3-b09a-95a2b4baa1c0

[DocHolidayNJ]

https://www.seeking.com/member/fcd1e...5-23e09784076d

Reached out to her. She's has a vision involving 400 roses.

As an aside, just found this forum. Amazing resource. Thank you all. Intent to pay it forward.

[Mongerian]

Seen her a few times, girl next door quality is you don't mind all the ink.

Dtf from the get-go and rate was very reasonable. Was in fish town but was moving to center city area last I spoke to her.

BBBJ, cfs (let me go BBFS last time but no cip).

https://www.seeking.com/member/db595...d-987301517647

[Max #01]

Was in the area for business recently and met up with second one on list. Was a bit of back and forth to get things scheduled, but it all came together finally. She is very sweet and friendly, and truly seemed to enjoy hanging out. Very pretty girl, and even better body than expected. Anal not on the table, but seemed open to everything else. BBFS no CIP because she said she is not on BC. Damage was 300, although could probably get her a little bit lower. Would definitely repeat if I was in the area.

Yeah -- She's pretty hot. I'm only here for one night, so there's not a chance for her to be spontaneous. If you have contact info, I'd be happy to receive a PM!

[Michael3900]

I use ExpressVPN but many are available. So its not a plug for that company. Remember an IP address is your fingerprint. Regarding SB if you read one of my post in another forum it is my opinion that it is one the biggest rip off sites out there. I have used it twice and will never return. Yes I know everybody hates Wade and his SA / WYP sites but SA is the only game for me. Any credit based site has less girls and never a good value. At least with SA I pay the house 3 bucks a day to message every girl on there if I want. SB is loaded with Fembots that do not really exist. You sit on you hands waiting before you spend credits on someone that might be fake or not work out. With SA you can carpet bomb every girl that you might be interested in with messages. I join for a month, fill up my dial-a-ho directory and take a break. I did my 30 days to catch the girls home on Holiday break and returning to school after. In 30 days I got 48 phone numbers and was able to fuck 11 new ones. I will try to work the rest of the numbers when my membership expires and I take a break for a while.

I got banned after being active for 6 months, and having an account for years. They gave the reason as soliciting sex for money. I'm careful about what I say and never mention any sex acts or even intimacy. I think that scammers reported me in retaliation after I made the mistake of calling them out. Platonics will report you too. A few times I asked a question of Platonics and they blocked me without answering. I have also noticed that SA considers it soliciting if you even mention PPM. They are trying to push this illusion of giving a big allowance at the beginning of the month, as if the SB would ever show up again. They are blocking IP addresses, they are also looking at other things, like the pictures, name, location, email, everything. It is clear to me that a human is doing it. I tried several times to set up a new account and a it would get approved and then a day later it gets deleted. I was using a VPN to change my IP as well. The last time I was in a different city, put that location, used a different picture, changed my birthday, different email, everything different and still it got deleted a day later. SA is totally over reacting to the new laws. Unfortunately it is the only game in town. WYP is a waste of time, same with SB, and several other sites. I'm trying Tinder but not much action so far. Just lots of Snapme's, Instagrammers, and Venmo me money now girls. During the 6 months when I reactivated after moving to a new town I viewed about 500 profiles, wrote at least 100 to 200 of them and met 22 girls in person and had a good time. It was a lot of work but paid off. Then I got fed up with the hundreds of Platonics and the scammers and told them off and got banned. Those types outnumber the real girls many times over. So I agree, stay low and just focus on finding the good ones. I still have enough to keep me busy. About 6 to 8 that will come back for a repeat, but I need a way to freshen the pot since they often move on.

[Burbs Monger]

It seems a lot of us use the same strategy. I have used express, ghost and norton vpn services all have been fine to use. When I got banned, I changed profile names, pics and discussion tactics, seems to have worked as I have not been banned in the past 3 years. As far as SB, I had limited success, found 2 SBs, both smoking hot, one I have been seeing regularly for 3 months and the other only saw 4 times before she ghosted me. Most of the time SB is crap with lots of fake bots. I believe SA has better value even at the monthly rate of 89 because you can go to town with unlimited messaging but it is a big time investment in order to bear any fruit.

Best of luck and stay safe.

Agreed! That was my strategy as well. Get on for a month- message everyone that I had ANY interest in, then work my way through those numbers / women for a couple of months, or longer. When they all dried up / I got bored of them, then sign back up again. First ban in 7 years, so figured I'd enquire about other options and ways to get back on. Thanks for the info / advice!

[Socalcasualguy]

I use ExpressVPN but many are available. So its not a plug for that company. Remember an IP address is your fingerprint. Regarding SB if you read one of my post in another forum it is my opinion that it is one the biggest rip off sites out there. I have used it twice and will never return. Yes I know everybody hates Wade and his SA / WYP sites but SA is the only game for me. Any credit based site has less girls and never a good value. At least with SA I pay the house 3 bucks a day to message every girl on there if I want. SB is loaded with Fembots that do not really exist. You sit on you hands waiting before you spend credits on someone that might be fake or not work out. With SA you can carpet bomb every girl that you might be interested in with messages. I join for a month, fill up my dial-a-ho directory and take a break. I did my 30 days to catch the girls home on Holiday break and returning to school after. In 30 days I got 48 phone numbers and was able to fuck 11 new ones. I will try to work the rest of the numbers when my membership expires and I take a break for a while.

Agreed! That was my strategy as well. Get on for a month- message everyone that I had ANY interest in, then work my way through those numbers / women for a couple of months, or longer. When they all dried up / I got bored of them, then sign back up again. First ban in 7 years, so figured I'd enquire about other options and ways to get back on. Thanks for the info / advice!

[Newbie1961]

I use ExpressVPN but many are available. So its not a plug for that company. Remember an IP address is your fingerprint. Regarding SB if you read one of my post in another forum it is my opinion that it is one the biggest rip off sites out there. I have used it twice and will never return. Yes I know everybody hates Wade and his SA / WYP sites but SA is the only game for me. Any credit based site has less girls and never a good value. At least with SA I pay the house 3 bucks a day to message every girl on there if I want. SB is loaded with Fembots that do not really exist. You sit on you hands waiting before you spend credits on someone that might be fake or not work out. With SA you can carpet bomb every girl that you might be interested in with messages. I join for a month, fill up my dial-a-ho directory and take a break. I did my 30 days to catch the girls home on Holiday break and returning to school after. In 30 days I got 48 phone numbers and was able to fuck 11 new ones. I will try to work the rest of the numbers when my membership expires and I take a break for a while.

Thanks for the advice, much appreciated. I was thinking about waiting for a while, using a new email, Visa gift card, new pic and new screen name. I didn't think about using a VPN service.

You find any other SD sites besides SA, or are you like me, and think they seem to be the best option?