American Politics During the Trump Presidency

[Worf359]

FWIW, it was Trump who signed the FOSTA' bill targeting online sex ads, this hobby has been so fucked up ever since.

I just want to know if Kamala wins will she give Willie Brown "The old married man she fucked to get ahead in politics in California" a job in the White House? Also will he serve under or over her?

[Sgt Soros]

Yes, and then those of us out here with common sense can crush them by voting Trump. Trump ain't Abraham Lincoln, that's for sure, but right now he's the only thing standing between us and the anarchists and socialists of the Democratic Party who are doing their damned best to undermine this country. Maybe Joe and or Bernie will have Stacy as their running mate to make it even sweeter when they lose again. I'm no Repub, but the Democratic Party has become the party of the New Nazis. Fear them. Just look at this poster's words about Karmala Harris, a race-baiting duplicitous witch if ever there was one.

FWIW, it was Trump who signed the FOSTA' bill targeting online sex ads, this hobby has been so fucked up ever since.

[AsainsLoveBbc]

Yes, and then those of us out here with common sense can crush them by voting Trump. Trump ain't Abraham Lincoln, that's for sure, but right now he's the only thing standing between us and the anarchists and socialists of the Democratic Party who are doing their damned best to undermine this country. Maybe Joe and or Bernie will have Stacy as their running mate to make it even sweeter when they lose again. I'm no Repub, but the Democratic Party has become the party of the New Nazis. Fear them. Just look at this poster's words about Karmala Harris, a race-baiting duplicitous witch if ever there was one.

Lets be honest this type of hobby isn't going to be legal for a while even though strip clubs are basically escort lounges but please vote Bernie so I can at least smoke my blunt in peace while get a BBJ! LMAO.

[SpaKing]

Yes, and then those of us out here with common sense can crush them by voting Trump. Trump ain't Abraham Lincoln, that's for sure, but right now he's the only thing standing between us and the anarchists and socialists of the Democratic Party who are doing their damned best to undermine this country. Maybe Joe and or Bernie will have Stacy as their running mate to make it even sweeter when they lose again. I'm no Repub, but the Democratic Party has become the party of the New Nazis. Fear them. Just look at this poster's words about Karmala Harris, a race-baiting duplicitous witch if ever there was one.

Anyone who doesn't see the direction of the Democrat party is blind, deaf, and stupid. Weird how they couldn't get anyone to run against Clinton. Bernie is an independent. Like that old dumb ass who wrote fantasy porn and never had a job could give her a run for her money. He looks moderate compared to some of those newbies. How the hell can Hillary call the republican party a bunch of deplorables? Look at that party. 60% deplorables if not more. Give me free shit.

[HobbyMan51]

https://reason.com/2019/04/23/harris...eason-roundup/

Of course, she is the same one who persecuted the Backpage owners and got the site taken down. Now she wants to lock more of us up.

It's like not arresting anyone who sells marijuana, but imprisoning anyone who buys it.

Let's just hope Biden and Bernie stay healthy through the rest of the campaign.

Yes, and then those of us out here with common sense can crush them by voting Trump. Trump ain't Abraham Lincoln, that's for sure, but right now he's the only thing standing between us and the anarchists and socialists of the Democratic Party who are doing their damned best to undermine this country. Maybe Joe and or Bernie will have Stacy as their running mate to make it even sweeter when they lose again. I'm no Repub, but the Democratic Party has become the party of the New Nazis. Fear them. Just look at this poster's words about Karmala Harris, a race-baiting duplicitous witch if ever there was one.

[Peter Johnson]

https://reason.com/2019/04/23/harris...eason-roundup/

Of course, she is the same one who persecuted the Backpage owners and got the site taken down. Now she wants to lock more of us up.

It's like not arresting anyone who sells marijuana, but imprisoning anyone who buys it.

Let's just hope Biden and Bernie stay healthy through the rest of the campaign.

[Chase Star]

The good old boy Dixiecrats who always have run everything in Hillsborough, Pinellas & Pasco, are all on the take! They run the police, sheriffs, courts, organized crime, they bring in the drugs, and they control where the "crime" takes place. They run everything! Crime is allowed in black and Hispanic areas only!

Skiper, I normally love your contributions to this board, but with all due respect on this one I will have to vehemently disagree.

First of all, the "Dixiecrats" is an outdated term referring to a political group organized in the summer of 1948 by conservative white southern Democrats committed to states' rights and the maintenance of segregation. Everyone of those who were of that political persuasion, moved over to the Republican party following the civil rights reforms that were led primarily by national Democrats during the late 60's (e.g. Strom Thurmond, Jesse Helms, Sonny Purdue, etc.). Secondly, as I already pointed out, though Hillsborough County may tend to lean Democrat in national elections, it has actually been run by a Republican majority for nearly the last 15 years up until this past election when the Dems finally regained the majority. Plus it is precisely those blacks who make up 1/6 of the county population and vote 90% Democrat and Hispanics who make up 1/4 and vote over 60% Democrat that give the Dems whatever edge they might have, so its hard to imagine why it would be them who would have it out to get them (I might add that the 4th vote on the County Commission that gives them that edge is Les Miller, the sole black county commissioner, and 2 of the 3 Republican commissioners are its only remaining white men). These are objective verifiable facts that you can Google if you don't believe me, not a conspiracy-laden gut-level feeling about some dark Democrat-run cabal out to stick it to the blacks and hispanics. Third, to the degree there might be any corruption, in local politics, there is no basis to say it is any more pervasive among Democrats than it is among Republicans in places where they control things. Fourth, and more to the point of this forum, there is no evidence that Dems, to the degree they might be in sole control of policy in the Tampa area, crack down on various aspects of our hobby any more than do Republicans in other areas. In fact, quite the contrary, though they might not allow a Wild Wild West, where anything goes as to P4P, as all of us would personally prefer, in many ways this area is FAR more free in that regard than most other areas of the country. Need I remind anyone that it was an overwhelming majority of BOTH national parties, that passed FOSTA that shutdown our beloved Craigslist personals (going after actual Sex Trafficking is all fine and good, but FOSTA did it with a hammer rather than a scalpel).

To try to politicize this issue and suggest that it is entirely the responsibility of one party or the other is, frankly IMHO, completely absurd and unfair, and I might add a discussion that shouldn't even be in this forum.

BTW, Buster, actually I think you and I are really in complete agreement about the actual rarity of those things relative to the sorts of things that the vast majority of us restrict ourselves to, but, PLEASE, don't even get me started on the often times poor boyfriend choices so many of these girls WILLINGLY make. If anything, the ability to make a higher potential income through P4P probably enhances the likelihood that they'd be able to break off on their own rather than enslave them (unless their boyfriends are also their d-boys who provide them drugs, in which case let the authorities go after the ones who use their dependency to take their money rather than those like us who help support them)

[Ausse Salt]

Hee Hee! . About Prez Trump. Maybe so, A-Rod. But the economy is BOOMING and unemployment levels are some of the lowest ever!

I'll take THAT type of result from Trump any day!

And for Skiper and Buster and you other mates: I've surely mentioned before that the subject of "prostitution" doesn't seem to be a Democrat or Republican issue. BOTH partys seem to move both to and froe with the issue. "Human trafficing" Ye Christ! Give me a break! Got to wonder what's next. Prostitution causes Altzheimer's? Enough is Enough.

Surely need to see common sense win the day between hobbyists, providours, police, and politicians.

## Salty.

[Buster Hymen]

I will agree with your basic point that what these morality police folks always rail about is much much rarer than they would have everyone believe. But it does happen.

I know of at least one strip club dancer personally who started dancing BEFORE she had turned 18. I didn't know it at the time and fortunately I never did anything with her in the club myself (though I was tempted), but I found out about it later from a mutual dancer friend who I know and trust. I'm not sure how she got hired by the club and was allowed to dance (really really good fake ID perhaps or slack background check by whomever did the hiring at that club), but to the best of my knowledge at least she was there completely by her own choosing (i.e. like so many girls drawn by the "easy money") and the club owner himself was duped. But the point is if it happened at least once that I know about, then I'm sure there are other instances of it.

As for trafficking, we can never be totally sure where that may be happening either. Certainly, the vast majority of the girls at these places seem to be there because its exactly where they want to be. Usually it's because they don't have the job skills or drive to make the sort of money they think they're making in the clubs anywhere else (combined with the loose personal morality that it takes to be willing to disrobe before a roomful of lecherous men and often to do much more in the private rooms). Sometimes it's because the low paying jobs they might otherwise get simply are not enough to cover their financial needs (whether it be for kids at home, drug habits, or other more benign reasons). The funny thing is many don't wind up saving as much money as they might expect, either because of a lack of business savvy in how they approach their work at the club, laziness in their approach to their work or simply because they wind up wasting whatever they do make on after hours partying or work-related expenses (such as a surprising quantity of stripper outfits, shoes, nails & make-up). But I digress. Admittedly, some, perhaps even a majority, don't exactly love stripping but do it because to them it just seems better than the alternatives. Of course, not liking your job is not something unique to strippers and thus doesn't make it equate to trafficking. HOWEVER (finally I come to the point), I do recall at least one instance several years back where a bunch of people (including 1-2 who actually worked at the club in other capacities) were arrested for coercing (aka trafficking) girls to make them dance at a club (and do, ahem, "other" things), requiring to make a certain amount (which they then collected). I'm not sure if any of the dancers were also under-age. I'm also foggy on the exact nature of the coercion (perhaps the girls were undocumented immigrants) but its important to note that, to the best of my knowledge, the management of the club itself was not involved. I'm referring to the club (since closed) that used to be on Gandy next to the dog track (Showtime?) Perhaps, someone else can help fill in my Swiss cheese memory. Anyway, at the very least sex trafficking at local clubs is not entirely unheard of either. So, Caveat Emptor.

With all this being said, I think it's at least safe to say, that to the extent these things happen at all, for every rare instance there are many more which are just the actions of 2 consenting adults and it is grossly unfair to paint the whole hobby with the same morality brush. But then to these morality police the trafficking and the underage "issues" are really just their excuse to go after the WHOLE thing which to them is immoral, consenting adults or not.

I am not saying that it doesn't happen. There are obviously situations where this has happened. I am just saying that it is pretty rare, because I am always on the hunt, and if it was common, I would see it, and I don't. I just get pretty pissed off where the moralists are lumping in consensual sex between adults with trafficking. The real burners are the ones that say "She is being trafficked because her boyfriend is making her suck dicks for money". This is no different from a "boyfriend is making me get my ass up in the morning and go to work at McDonalds" In both cases, the girl is totally free to say no, and dump his sorry ass. Just because they stay with the boyfriend and do what the boyfriend asks doesn't make them victims of trafficking, it makes them stupid.

I do not believe we will ever see prostitution legalized. However, the police should turn a blind eye to it in cases where consenting adults are involved. If they focus on real trafficking, and real underaged crime, so be it. I would never participate in either, and most men wouldn't.

[Skiper]

And your point is? First of all, the city of Tampa itself may have had a lot of recent mayors who were Democrats but the Hillsborough County Commission had been controlled by Republicans from 2004 until just this past election. Moreover, one of the most famous strip clubs in the US (the Mons) is in Tampa. There are also, in terms of sheer number if not quality, more strip clubs in the Tampa Bay area (including both sides of the bay) than you typically find in most other similarly sized metropolitan areas. There are certainly more, in terms of BOTH quantity and quality, than you find in Republican controlled (and biblically minded) Jacksonville and a much better strip club selection than anything you'll find even in Orlando. And need I remind anyone the most extreme local county official against us hobbyists is not here in Tampa but is Republican Sheriff Grady Judd next door in Polk County.

The good old boy Dixiecrats who always have run everything in Hillsborough, Pinellas & Pasco, are all on the take! They run the police, sheriffs, courts, organized crime, they bring in the drugs, and they control where the "crime" takes place. They run everything! Crime is allowed in black and Hispanic areas only!

[Chase Star]

Tampa has been run by Democrats for countless years.

And your point is? First of all, the city of Tampa itself may have had a lot of recent mayors who were Democrats but the Hillsborough County Commission had been controlled by Republicans from 2004 until just this past election. Moreover, one of the most famous strip clubs in the US (the Mons) is in Tampa. There are also, in terms of sheer number if not quality, more strip clubs in the Tampa Bay area (including both sides of the bay) than you typically find in most other similarly sized metropolitan areas. There are certainly more, in terms of BOTH quantity and quality, than you find in Republican controlled (and biblically minded) Jacksonville and a much better strip club selection than anything you'll find even in Orlando. And need I remind anyone the most extreme local county official against us hobbyists is not here in Tampa but is Republican Sheriff Grady Judd next door in Polk County.

[Skiper]

Castor is a liberal Democrat.

Tampa has been run by Democrats for countless years.

[AlexRodriguez]

Alex Rodreguiz?? . "A-ROD" Blimey, I'd surely reckon that you'd STILL be on yer honeymoon with "J-LO".

But surely we can discuss the President. Or anything else you'd like in a reasonable manner.

## Salty.

Ain't nothing "reasonable" about trump. The nicest thing I could say is that he is great at being a racist, lying fat sack of shit.

[Buster Hymen]

Castor is a liberal Democrat.

Unfortunately for our hobby, we have dipshits on both ends of the spectrum, liberal dems that want to "protect all those poor trafficked women! And right wing religious nutjobs that want to stamp out this stuff due to "loose morals".

I have never come across any trafficked or underage chicks in all my Tampa escapades, and those "loose moral" champions are the most depraved bastards out there.

[Buster Hymen]

From the look of the Tampa hot sheet recently, it seems LE may be using a fresh tactic to ensnare the Brotherhood.

4/18 shows one provider (the infamous Alaskan Toni of smelly-punani fame) and seven mongers popped at FALKENBURG RD S / PALM RIVER RD. This area is common ground for hotels the online advertisers to work from and has seen some LE presence in the past, but not to this extent. LE may have busted a provider in her room then used the location to lure Mongers in or have formed some sort of agreement with hotel management to run reverse stings.

Please be safe out there, fellers and be studious with your research!

Monger on!

Actually, it looks like they popped three providers at that location as well as the gaggle of sorry saps that got caught up in the sting. I think you are right, got the girls, then took over the rooms and their numbers. Surprise, Surprise!

(by the looks of the girls, I wouldn't have fucked any of them, pretty worn).

Now, the one that got popped on Dale Mabry on the 19th, I would be all over that one!