Starting New Threads

[Nes NYC]

Thanks for the response Jackson. But I know for a fact that new posts aren't checked and posted right away. Sometimes I wait as much as two days for my posts to show up. So I know not to check this board freaquently, I check it once a day. I would check it more often if it was a real time board and add to the discussions.

I understand your fear of spam, but like I said, let the members use the "Report bad post" link and it will cut down the time it takes you to manage this board. Instead of checking and clearing 100 posts a day, you'll respond only to a few spam (if any) posts. Makes more sense to me?

But ultimately it's your choice, I'm only giving you some input and my opinion I like this board, even though I think it could be so much better.

Hi Nes NYC,

You may have overlooked a couple of things:

First, I moderate all outstanding reports several times every day. There's never more than a few hours before a report is displayed. I think it's a very small inconvenience compared with the SPAM that will surely flood this forum otherwise.

Second, the registration system has been changed. New members are activated immediately upon responding to the confirmation email. IN addition, there are no more viewing members, every new member is immediately given Regular Member status and thus is able to post reports immediately.

Thanks,

Jackson

[Third Eye]

Extra threads can be helpful, but their creation should be restricted. Maybe one senior member from each city forum could volunteer to be the moderator, and the other members would petition the moderator for new threads.

For example, I was thinking about starting a "Strip Clubs" thread in my city's forum. I think there's a lot of interest, but wonder if it's appropriate.

I'd also like to see defunct or empty threads deleted after a certain period of time.

[Nes NYC]

I think it's a good idea to compartmentalize specific topics. The old one topic thread format is confusing, cumbersome and very difficult to locate old information. I applaude the admins for taking this first step.

Now what needs to be done is to [de-moderate] all boards on this fourm. The time lag in posting defeats the informative nature of the vBulletin. Since registering to be a member is so thourough and time consuming, spammers are already discrouaged from posting here. Additionally, the [Report Thread] function can serve us to self police and would take a great deal of work away from the moderation of this board. Moderators would still be usful for catching prohibited content, but I think the Admin would do us all a favor by making this a fully functional and REAL TIME board.

We need to put more discussion on that is anything, the activation of thread posting in just the first in a series of steps to make this a better community.

Hi Nes NYC,

You may have overlooked a couple of things:

First, I moderate all outstanding reports several times every day. There's never more than a few hours before a report is displayed. I think it's a very small inconvenience compared with the SPAM that will surely flood this forum otherwise.

Second, the registration system has been changed. New members are activated immediately upon responding to the confirmation email. IN addition, there are no more viewing members, every new member is immediately given Regular Member status and thus is able to post reports immediately.

Thanks,

Jackson

[Southern Man]

At first blush, I thought it was a fine idea. But, it is a big distraction. It is so much more convenient to simply click on the cities you know best and see the goings-on around where you are or plan to be. The quote tool in the reply function is sufficient to allow users to see topic-specific posts and weed out quickly what may be irrelevant to their interests. New user-created threads just slow down the process of seeing info that is most important to each of us. I, for one, ask that the topic-specific user-created threads be removed and let us go back to the old way by-city or by-interest.

Thanks for giving it a think!

Southern Man

[SlownEasy]

Who are going around and starting new threads in cities where they have never posted. Can you put a muzzle on these characters; Hizark is one that I have seen starting threads everywhere.

[flat6]

Does anyone know a tall brunette by the name of DeeDee?

She lived at the VIP car lot. It has been a year or two since I saw her.

[James D 2004]

The main trend is to separate the data and the presentation. So the server can concentrate on streaming the highly organized data to the user client. And the presentation left to the highly customizable client browser to do whatever it wants. So there's not much to disagree with - you are not losing anything. Though those who can't handle the more structured data may complain, but it needn't be.

One example is the simple syndication of news so you can add it to your homepage in whatever way you like as in yahoo.

Another example is the world wide classified advertising site Craig's List, which I think is a complimentary of, not competitor to, the world wide review site WSG. Both are ranking high in the world according to traffic. With no need for advertisement from banners, the presentation is ultra primitive. On the other hand, it is actively promoting Firefox, a browser finally can do all (for me) that IE can do and much more, much more secure and private, and it's supposed to be infinitely customizable. Any time now there can be some CL specific clients to enable you to read CL advertisements whatever way you like it, without any extra load on the server. Even now, there are plenty of extensions allowing you to read the advertisements WSG style, by scrolling down the expanded posts, rather than clicking on each title of posts and expand it.

The key is structured data. If you don't tell the client machine that the report is about MP's, it's rather inconvenient to find that out automatically.

Without the new feature, it's not a lot of difference in the past. Because the lack of a large team of dedicated staff, the threads are determined in the past by some sort of democratic process. The result is that, in California, there were 20 or more geological threads. Each can be a small city of 30,000, or 10 million, a county, a combination (Inglewood and South Bay), a unofficial region, and most interestingly of all, a city (Pasadena) where the reports never occurred in the city itself.

Many of the negative comments are about difficult to find things, confusing, etc. What is more difficult to find things when one want to look for MP's but not SW's?

In Firefox, it's rather easy to do your busy as usual in the past and even better. You can just bookmark all threads in a folder and open all threads by with one click. Each thread appears in a different 'tab'. You go through the tabs easier and faster than scrolling down the window as in the past. Some general extension allow you to highlight the threads and open them all in tabs. You hardly lose anything, not more clicks. Indeed for most users, less scrolling around.

Allowing anybody to make new threads is arguable. But it's a practical solution. Who should be able to make new threads? Who should make sure these guys do what they are supposed to ? What should the new threads be? Everybody and anything is a practical solution. Many Wikki sites, where all user can contribute and edit the site, are alive and well, though that's is not a direct comparison.

Threads that do not have sensible titles, people will not post there. Overlapping and duplicating threads are also not problems. Some win over the others in number of posts. As I preferred, two threads about MP's is better than a thread about everything. Also, apart from IE, you can easily pick only one thread, expand all of the MP threads, or expand all of the threads as before. These threads can be better reorganized later as Jackson said. But without a specific title, you cannot organize anything.

Even irrelevant threads is better than irrelevant posts. You can easily skip the former but you have no way but to scroll pass the later.

Only Pay Pal presented some negative comments at length. But most aren't arguments. Well if you put your report in the wrong thread, or thread with a misleading title, should we miss the report? No. If you have no idea where to put it, or you want everyone to read it, you can put it in the general section. But nowadays in the infinitely customizable age, general is pretty useless. This guy is also a self appointed moderator wanting to go through each and every post. But IE is the only popular browser without tabs. You can open all the threads in tabs as simple as you open one thread in a single window. It's also faster to go through the tabs than scrolling.

As for specific features such as sticky threads, in the past the decision will be to please 90% readers, and sometimes only 50%. But now it doesn't need to be. Say since the split into USG and WSG, it's doesn't matter or even better in Firefox. I open all the discussions boards that I'm interested, and all the threads, by one click only. It doesn't matter how many sites or how many thread are there.

As for exercising control by who ever want to, even though members are 'Welcomed and encouraged to start new threads for specific topics', some members just don't get the message. Some newer members find it necessary to repost in the general section, otherwise risk being ignored and outclassed by older members. I think this lack of threads is more of a problem than superfluous threads. Argentina has plenty of threads and everybody is happy. I saw another comment about that he is afraid that the general section will become useless. I think 'welcomed and encouraged' are not strong enough. How about renaming the general 2005 section to misc section?

[Bukowski]

Jackson,

I agree with your decision to allow us to start new threads. I'm all for anything to help you lighten your workload. This will require us to take on some of your responsibilities and to be a little more circumspect about how we post our reports, but it will give us much more control over how each board is organized, which gives us better access to the info posted.

There will be some confusion in the beginning while people get used to the concept, but it sounds as if you have a good plan to weed out the dead wood.

Now, my only question is. . . why don't you let the int'l mongers do the same thing?

Thanks,

Bukowski

Hi Bukowski,

I intend to open up the WSG.info forum in the same manner. You may not have observed this, but I first try out new functions on ArgentinaPrivate.com (the smallest of my three forums), then on the USA site, then after I receive the membership' comments and make adjustments, I add the new function to the WSG last because it's the biggest site.

I am planning to add a series of new features to all the forums, including a new photo gallery, a new front page, a chat room, etc.

Stay tuned.

Jackson

[Momo Taro]

There are some obvious advantages and disadvantages. As stated before some of the new members are making new threads that are superfluous. For example the Honolulu Board has threads for every aspect of mongering making the 2005 reports obsolete (so to speak).

Now, a new member does not quite get the concept of men seeking women for sex. A new thread has started called T-Girls -- for reports on picking up TS, trannys, ladyboys etc. I feel that the member is not aware of the intent of this site.

BTW, this site is awesome!!! Keep up the good work!!

[Darealest1]

Jackson, I agree with a lot of the reasons that you have put forth for allowing members to start new threads, and I also now understand from your viewpoint how it makes your job a lot easier. At the same time, some of the threads being made are unnecessary and some members, particularly new ones think that everything has to be broken down into individual threads,which can actually make it harder to find what you want to know.

It is working well in some cases, such as different threads for sw's and amp's, and the reason I believe is that the more expeienced forum members know how and when to make useful threads for everyone to benefit from. I think that this feature should be restricted to senior members only, as they have enough savvy and know how to make it work properly as its intended. If not, then it should at least be restricted to more experienced regular members with a certain amount of time or reporting in. What I'm seeing is that a lot of new members who don't even really know the sport of mongerering yet are trying to reorganize and dictate how the forum should look, when they've only posted two or three reports. If some type of experience restriction were imposed, then I think this feature would work the way you intended to work and be good for everyone.

[Monaco GP]

Too many newbies not taking the time to learn about the forums creating a completely new thread for every post. The unfortunate reality is most people are either not smart enough or in some cases not considerate enough to consider their actions before making a nuisance of themselves.

[Member #1062]

Its my opinion that this policy will result in a lot more work for you and much more clicking and confusion for us.

Other boards with similar policies wind up to have NUMEROUS REDUNDANT threads and eventually become almost totally time-consuming and counter-productive.

I doubt that this board will go back to the way it was but I just wanted to add my 2 cents.

Thanks.

[MeatMan]

3. Members who wish to start arguing between themselves can do so in their own thread, while the rest of us can simple skip their flaming and move on to other threads. This will reduce my workload because I won't have to police these problems quite so intensely.

Kind of confused here, Does that mean the zero tolerance effect is nill when you start your own thread?

[Gpiper]

I only think Senior Members should be able to start new threads!

[Mr Fat G]

1st time post. Long time lurker. I've been around 22nd and California and I spotted some WSW in the AM hours. Some were fugly and one was decent a WSW. I picked up good bbbjtcim 20 + 5 tip. I drop her off at her home and told me I can cum and get her anytime.

Good luck and play safe.

Happy hunting,

Mr Fat G