2005 Archived General Reports

[Steve M]

Hello All,

I was watching "CSI" last night and saw they showed a party bus complete with beautiful strippers & a full bar that went from club to club picking up & dropping off customers. The story went that the activities on the bus were relatively "unsupervised" as opposed to what goes on in the clubs.

Fact or Fiction? Does this sort of thing really exist?

Probably fiction 'cause those guys were having WAY too much fun.

Have fun.

Steve

[Rocker25]

Hi guys,

I've been reading the board for a while. But, a first time poster.

I've been to Vegas twice in the past year. Most recently just a few weeks ago. Thanks to this board, I've done a lot of sight-seeing. However, yet to take part.

I have a question that I hope somebody can answer? The first time I was in Vegas back in June. I noticed this CW sitting and working the high-roller slot machine area in front of the bar in that corner of the MGM.

This past time I was in Vegas, just a few weeks ago. I noticed the same CW working the Casino at Mandalay. This CW is about 5'0-5'5, medium build, seems to be in her early to mid twenties, has shakira style and colored hair and dresses very classy, usually in a nice tight dress that shows her nice size chest.This past time I also noticed she has a tattoo on her shoulder, which appears to be a name of some sort? I'm not sure what nationality she is? She looks like she could maybe be white, latina, mualto, or a mix of something? Does anybody know whom I'm talking about, and anything about her? She has to be one of the most attractive woman I've ever seen! Not just CW.

I should also add I saw her between 12-4AM. Also, she tends to walk around with at least one or two other CW.

Thanks Rocker25

[KR Blade]

Stayed at the Palms for business. Action was extremely nice. Most of the time, CGs can be found between 1am - 5am either sitting at the bar as soon as you walk in or in the center bar. Donation for time starts off at 1k from the girls but all agreed for 300.

During the stay, hooked up with a very cute brunette girl, 9 out of 10. She must have been 22, 5ft 1, 90lbs. Around 4am in the morning, she agreed for 300.

Very nice girl, friendly, honest and trustworthy, BBBJ, CG, GREEK!!

Since the experience was rated high, Repeated again in the following night.

She did warn that usually 2 girls working together means trouble.

During another night, there were several girls sitting by the bar playing the video slots. Obviously, they were working girls. Most of them were 8++

[Speck]

I know these two. They both used to be sw in Los Angeles, staying on Sunset Bl. at a motel across the street from where Denny's used to be...near Sunset and Gardner. I have seen them a few times at Aladdin. They are all about money...getting you in and out. At $300 for the pair, let alone $1000, you would consider them rob's.

I got lucky one night and got them both for $150 for what amounted to 20 minutes of fun until I finished. Next time I picked up the brunette only and she said she had a place. We went to that hotel, went in to the bathroom and I handed her $100 expecting sex. Didn't happen. Only CBJ and I never picked either up again.

Too bad the yahoo group for Los Angeles streetwalkers is no more. Their pics were posted there.

Around 1230.

Was walking around and past 2 girls, a blonde maybe a 6 and a brunette around a 8 playing at a machine. The brunette was talking with an onlder fella. She gave him her number and told him to call her later. I made eye contact with the blonde, but I didnt stay around. Didn't want it to look like these girls had a line.

I ran into them again at the slot machines just outside of the south tower head. As I walked by the brunette called me over. We chatted for a min. she told me 1500 for both of them for the hour. She told me that they had a room upstairs and that I could meet them there. Seeing that the brunette was cuter and more appealing I said 1000 for the night. The blonde told me that they were a pacage deal and it was their place or no place. At that point something just didnt set right. Told them not tonight then and walked off.

By the way these 2 looked, they seemed too clean, too young, and too non-local to know the ins and outs.

[Zippy2853]

Around 1230.

Was walking around and past 2 girls, a blonde maybe a 6 and a brunette around a 8 playing at a machine. The brunette was talking with an onlder fella. She gave him her number and told him to call her later. I made eye contact with the blonde, but I didnt stay around. Didn't want it to look like these girls had a line.

I ran into them again at the slot machines just outside of the south tower head. As I walked by the brunette called me over. We chatted for a min. she told me 1500 for both of them for the hour. She told me that they had a room upstairs and that I could meet them there. Seeing that the brunette was cuter and more appealing I said 1000 for the night. The blonde told me that they were a pacage deal and it was their place or no place. At that point something just didnt set right. Told them not tonight then and walked off.

By the way these 2 looked, they seemed too clean, too young, and too non-local to know the ins and outs.

[Zippy2853]

130-230am:

Saw this younger blonde bouncing from a guy at a slot machine to some guy at the bar. Finally caught her eye and she nodded. She went back to the guy at the slot machine talked for a min. and landed with the guy at the bar. As they walked off, she looked back at me and shruged her sholders as to say "sorry". A min later the slot guy got up, shot me a look and followed the pair off. Oh well, so close.

I thought about flashing the blonde some cash, but I thought it would have been too obvious.

I also noticed that this blonde, another big titted brunette, and a couple other girls on the floor all were wearing this silver necklace with a heart on it. I also notice that there were a few guys at slot machine who didnt see to into the machine play. Maybe a trend or maybe a sign. Not sure, but I'll keep my eye out.

[Big Joe 11]

In the bar next the Syn Night Club in Riviera, a good looking and busty blonde is sitting by herself. When I checked her out, she looked at me as she was interested (I ain't no eye candy but any strench of imagination. I am more like an eye sore)! Unwilling to pay the price and I just got released by an AMP, I passed and move on. I would love to do her!!! She is still there!

[Zippy2853]

I leave for wonderful Vegas Friday @ 8:20 pm. I should be in town by 11:30 local time. I will be traveling the the wife, but have already told her we WILL have some "alone" time. Im looking for some last min. travel tips.

Anyone have any thoughts?

Zippy

[Cienega32]

I used to work surveillance in a large casino and I can tell you they have many blind spots. We would get calls asking if we got something on camera, and we would say out of camera range or too far to tell.

In the case of the woman getting her purse taken, that would be classified as strong arm robbery, because force was used. That is also a felony crime.

Times have changed from bucket theft. By the way, anything over $250 in value is a felony theft. The crooks have not given up because the new machines issuing tickets, as matter of fact, I think there is more theft.

With the new ticket system, you don't have to run with a heavy bucket. Just grab the ticket and go. Now, they do have a system that can void a stolen ticket, but you have to beat the crooks to the cash out booths. They cash that ticket so fast, the victim doesn't even have a chance to tell security before they can stop it.

They said on the news, Las Vegas is ranked 7th in the nation in crime. Just to let you know whats happening in this fair city.

People talk about trick rolls, they don't talk about how some girls burg. rooms after they have been with a guy. Yeah, the pimp is on them hot and heavy to make that green, so he can pay for his escalade.

These girls walk the halls, looking for open doors. Rob the guest of their valuables. If they get the attention of the guest, they just say they went into the wrong room, sorry.

The guest will believe her or hesitate long enough for her to leave the hotel safely. If a man tried that, there would be a different outcome.

The casino could care less about cw's. With the exception of feeding the high rollers, they aren't worth anything to the casino. Do you think they bring in customers? Do you think they give the casino any of that untaxed money?

They are, for the most part, a nusiance to the casino.

One last note and I am out of here. heading to the international posts. I am not on this to debate what I see and know.

Be careful who you stick, she could stick you right back. Metro used to send over photos of girls highly infected and asked sec. to watch it if they were taking any of them into custody. There is alot going on in this town.

Keep informed.

Gee - I hope you don't think we're debating anything. I'm only trying to enhance the available information. However - if you DO think I'm trying to debate what you see & know...

The point of whether or not a purse snatch, or a bucket grab of $250 or more is a felony, has nothing to do with my point. SHowing your knowledge and use of terminology means nothing to me as far as my point.

My point is the odds of the subject getting caught is damn near nil. No one gives a crap. If there was personal injury it'll have a better chance of being pursued and even then don't hold your breath over some skinned knees. Shit is going to happen.

A purse snatch is a purse snatch - regardless of strong-arm. No one gives a crap. After the purse is found in some garbage can, or another casino calls to trace the key and ownership, the vic is usually just glad to have their ID back. Look at the severity of the crime other than the legal definition of it. Being a felony doesn't mean shit for any reason other than the conviction.

If these victims don't know or aren't informed that the chances of the subject being caught is small, then they are living in a fantasy world. That's the real world.

I'm not a big fan of "crime stats" for Vegas. Mainly because we are a tourist town with many, many stupid tourists who leave themselves open to crime. Another reason is those stats are based on crimes reported. Many of those crimes reported come from stupid people who leave their purse next to them on the floor, are too drunk to make sure their room door is closed, forget to close their car door let alone lock it,etc,.etc.. Those are crimes commited against stupid people and they report it. It skews the numbers.

A hotel/casino cannot provide security for every guest nor can they provide it every 10 feet on every floor of the hotel. Shit is going to happen and people need to excercise some smarts when they leave the confines of their home. People need to protect themselves from themselves first.

There are some smarter ones that realized they boneheaded themselves into the situation and won't even report it. Our larceny/theft stats are a bit lower than national averages. Our GTAs are thru the roof. Most people want their cars back and the subject caught. It goes on a hot sheet and if it's found - it's found. If it's noticed - it's noticed.

For ANY security to think a manhunt should commence (not in a literal sense) because it's a felony is either living in a fantasy world or has, what I call, a Robo-Cop attitude and usually becomes a problem to the department, property and/or guests.

One needs to look closely at the severity of the crime and how it affects the real world. A purse snatch can be either unfortunate or just stupidity. A bucket grab is stupidity - either on the part of the victim for not assessing their environment and/or on the part of the casino for not addressing the potential problem to begin with. Once upon a time there weren't partitions between machine rows and it was a effortless hobby for many.

Now when you apply that potential Robo-Cop mentality to our monger world we can have a problem. "BLOWJOB!!! It's a crime!!! I have a badge!!!" Those are the guys that have long days and think that the more they fill their event log and have more IRs than everyone, then the better they are at their job. Some guys can assess the situation - others can't see the forest thru the trees. Now what to do - crime against nature, sodomy, indecent shit, pay for play? Oh my!

As far as black holes in surveillence - I didn't say that were no blind spots. I said there doesn't have to be. A casino isn't going to cam every square inch of a remote area unless that area is somewhat hot. Most will address the hole after a crime against a person. A second event in the same place could be defined as negligent and be a costly settlement. ANy area that has a reasonable amount of traffic, guest or employee, should have a solid grid, or at least minimal loss of coverage. If an individual gets lost in a zone after leaving one field of view within that zone, then that coverage is severly lacking and needs to be addressed.

But for myself - I would be leary of parking garages, tho' the Barbary used to be good 20 years ago!

Again, Guady1 - my intent wasn't to debate anything you said but to add to it. That line of work isn't black & white. There's a lot of grey area that comes from many things and one of those things can be personal judgement calls, by security, on a situation.

Like in parking garage BJs.

[AlabamaSam]

Hey,

Can you move the camera talk somewhere else? I want to talk about hot b*tches.

A

[PsyberZombie]

I'll add to that a general parking rule I have wherever I park: I don't leave my keys dangling in the ignition switch, and my other keys are not attached to it. No prize for guessing that came from some specific experience..

I don't even use the Original manufacturer's key when mongering , just a cheap hard·ware store copy ; and I keep another copy hidden on board , too

Not that I've ever had a Bad Experience involving keys , but there are enough stories out there — like Wastrel's — that pre·emptive action seems adviseable

Wherever we choose to go we will still have fewer legal rights against stop, search, and seizure and more more legal dangers (where did that come from, it's not mine, I swear) in any motor vehicle, almost anywhere except your garage at home

A General Principle is that it's better and safer to have your Date on Private Property than in Public , where LE can just stumble up·on you at any given moment , and might very well routinely patrol public areas known to be used for these purposes

That's why I prefer places like Casino Garages or surface lots when I'm in LV ; and at home places like large apartment complex or factory parking lots ; cemeteries ; golf courses ; or the outer fringes of other private land

No matter how many other girls use the spot and how well known it is , LE doesn't generally patrol on Private Property ; and I'd rather take my chances with Security Guards then the local Police any day

[Guady1]

I used to work surveillance in a large casino and I can tell you they have many blind spots. We would get calls asking if we got something on camera, and we would say out of camera range or too far to tell.

In the case of the woman getting her purse taken, that would be classified as strong arm robbery, because force was used. That is also a felony crime.

Times have changed from bucket theft. By the way, anything over $250 in value is a felony theft. The crooks have not given up because the new machines issuing tickets, as matter of fact, I think there is more theft.

With the new ticket system, you don't have to run with a heavy bucket. Just grab the ticket and go. Now, they do have a system that can void a stolen ticket, but you have to beat the crooks to the cash out booths. They cash that ticket so fast, the victim doesn't even have a chance to tell security before they can stop it.

They said on the news, Las Vegas is ranked 7th in the nation in crime. Just to let you know whats happening in this fair city.

People talk about trick rolls, they don't talk about how some girls burg. rooms after they have been with a guy. Yeah, the pimp is on them hot and heavy to make that green, so he can pay for his escalade.

These girls walk the halls, looking for open doors. Rob the guest of their valuables. If they get the attention of the guest, they just say they went into the wrong room, sorry.

The guest will believe her or hesitate long enough for her to leave the hotel safely. If a man tried that, there would be a different outcome.

The casino could care less about cw's. With the exception of feeding the high rollers, they aren't worth anything to the casino. Do you think they bring in customers? Do you think they give the casino any of that untaxed money?

They are, for the most part, a nusiance to the casino.

One last note and I am out of here. heading to the international posts. I am not on this to debate what I see and know.

Be careful who you stick, she could stick you right back. Metro used to send over photos of girls highly infected and asked sec. to watch it if they were taking any of them into custody. There is alot going on in this town.

Keep informed.

[Cienega32]

As far as casino parking garages, the cameras do not see everything. They have blind spots. Many areas are covered when the surveillance person "pans" the camera to that area.

And even with stationary cams, or with auto PTZ cams, the cluster is set up to give some degree of continuity from one to the next. That reduces the blind spots. With stationary cams you can eliminate blind spots all together, if not for some obstruction such as a support pillar. The frames on the monitor can be aligned to give an easy read. You enter one cam's field of view as you leave another's. Another consideration is not all cams need to be in bubbles as in the gaming areas or in a secured "mailbox". Most cams are in place as a visual deterant, like weapons used to be years ago. Most cams are meant to be seen - not all.

I worked at a local casino(security) about two years ago and that was only two days a week (it was actually for mongering money, or waste money as I used to call it). Just in those two days, the things that was happening and at a local casino at that, was unbelievable.

I actually quit, because I got tired of the crime against people who came, and how the casino didn't do much to protect them. That goes for all of them, they do very little to protect you, its all about the bottom line.

I have seen crimes live and played back, who are these people? This guy waited at the elevator(in the garage) and as soon as the door opened, he grabbed a womans purse and got clean away(also knocked her down in the process) and nobody has a clue who this guy is.

Do you think the casino will put his picture on the news? Let's say its digital clear, I don't think so, because they don't want people to know "their" casino has that kind of activity.

One last note, look at the previous years crimes, they list hundreds of robberies, thefts, rapes, etc., do you think all of that is on the news?
Since there is 365 days in a year, That would be "news" all day to tell you all the crime "that was reported".

Another reason you won't see anything on the news is the fact that it's a useless endeavor. It'll mean nothing as it's only a snatch crime. Ranks up there with bucket grabs. No one really gives a crap that a $250 bucket of quarters got snatched. You're the dope for leaving them accessable. It's not a crime that earns priority, endangers the general population or has much chance of being solved.

The picture, if available, will be shared with other casino security forces, tho'. That network is also Metro accessable as they established it in the 80's with printers attached to old dial-up modems for text messages related to events ("Crime Alert Terminals" or CATs). Now if the subject appears on other events around town (or even in the same joint) commiting crimes over & over, with no real leads available, you'll see it on the news.

I've spent over 20 years in casino security (not any more) - many as Chief (No further info needs to be provided). I've worked with the huge fucking NASA type rooms and I've established smaller surveillance rooms that were well above and beyond what they call "minimum requirements" as set by Gaming COntrol. I've established patrol patterns & methods, policies & procedures that proved to be extremely effective. The biggest hole in any system, that relies on people's performance in order to work properly, is the people relied upon.

The details above are the main reason why I'm a bit outdated in the monger hobby. Lots of old-time memories with a huge void of info somewhere down the line. Sometimes it was just too hard to remain stealthy. It's an odd feeling when you go to some old Fremont Street shithole, notice some security checking you & the ho out and you realize that you recently fired the guy. Even stranger to be told you have a phone call and hear a friendly & familar voice say, "Look up to your left and smile!" Many houses consider such activities as "unbecoming" and possibly a conflict of interest to the department that you run. Better to lay low than to deal with a vengeful ex-employee or be the topic of gossip amongst "brothers in arms".

And like Wastrel, I still don't need any notoriety on the other side of the fence from various contacts and/or business relationships that have been established from that job. But I CAN tell you all a thing or two about how it works (in a pre 9-11 sense, of course).

[James64]

Picked up Angela at Budget Suites.

Nice girl.

Likes her crack, though.

No reliable digits.

[Wastrel]

I do NOT walk girls out to the garage and do my business there. No desire to meet Uncle Leroy or raise red flags among surveillance or garage security whose interest I might pique by walking out to my car through the casino. Instead these are always pickups I've made somewhere else on the street. The garage I select and the spot inside the garage are always of my own choosing...

...I separate that from occasions where I pick up a girl and take her back to the casino where I am staying. In that situation I think it's somewhat less likely that I'll run into her Uncle Leroy but admit there's some possibility of encountering Leroy the Stranger Opportunist.

I'm probably more suspicious and cautious about this stuff than the majority of guys here, and may be in danger of becoming the resident old maid always nagging to look both ways before crossing the street, but I do think there are some general principles embedded in that plan that are good to think about almost anywhere you do it.

It is much harder to pull any kind of set-up if she had no way of knowing the destination in advance and it isn't near the spot of the pickup or is inaccessible to anyone else without my permission. It's also less convenient for someone planning to do the old plain vanilla cash and dash. I only follow my own advice about 90% of the time, but having these rules in mind makes me think about what I'm doing if I'm about to make an exception. I think many of the unhappy surprise hangovers from hell in Las Vegas involve someone who comes to town with more dollars than sense and has about twelve too many free drinks and/or is hypnotized by her looks, putting their ordinary healthy skepticism into a temporary vegetative state when doing something they would never have done elsewhere, on the vague theory that if it's in Vegas reality is suspended and there can't be any of the normal consequences that would have made them think twice about doing the same thing in the same way back in Buffalo. "Clueless tourists travelling while stupid" stories serve as an entertaining local spectator sport substituting for the absence of a major professional sports franchise. The transient nature of the business in the resorts also might contribute to it, since they don't think there's much chance they'll ever run into you again.

On any one single roll of the dice I don't think these are extremely high probability events if I use the same ordinary horse sense I'd want to use anywhere else, but I do this stuff often enough that if I allow myself to get too complacent and careless it would just be a matter of time before I crapped out.