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06-10-19 22:19 #386
Posts: 79Enjoy the Fruits
Originally Posted by HeadShot [View Original Post]
I know I feel a lot more comfortable meeting someone for the 1st time if he has vouched for her and I would imagine the girl does too. Damn, what a fuckin tool.
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06-10-19 10:31 #385
Posts: 2Originally Posted by Comrad [View Original Post]
I hope he or someone would be there for them if they look of other options. It appears Benz is looking out for the ladies, keeping them safer and helping their business.
Comrad is right, the gals are in a vulnerable situation with a stranger they don't know if is a gentleman, abusive or a serial killer. It has to be scary. I hope Benz is more than a client but could also be considered a true friend to the ladies.
I would also hope the gals do communicate among themselves to pass along information and warnings. I hope they are looking out for each other.
I was suspicious of your first post but after this one I'm pretty sure you're a chick.
These ladies make 100's of dollars an hour having sex, how is it in any way the responsibility of the guys paying them a lawyers wage to make sure they have educational or vocational training for their post hooker career?
You need to go
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06-10-19 09:08 #384
Posts: 260I agree
Originally Posted by ChipCharger [View Original Post]
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06-10-19 07:39 #383
Posts: 639Benz
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06-09-19 22:54 #382
Posts: 604Originally Posted by Wolverines [View Original Post]
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06-09-19 18:16 #381
Posts: 519Reference / Vouch system / Benz
Not long ago many of us remember and were part of what we sometimes refer to as the "old boards". The girls were usually a step or three or four up from the ladies on STG, CityXGuide, Adult Look, etc. Recall the posts not to long ago lamenting or talking about old providers such as Schorcy. It was the rule, not the exception that you needed two references in order to schedule with one of those providers. The references came from other providers you have recently seen. Providers would call another provider and ask them about you, using a screen name. There were other review boards back then as well and girls would post on those boards. The key thing is, they wanted a reference from 2 providers. Being a newbie was tough. You had to see a provider to get a reference. Turns out a few providers would accept newbies bt they would do their own screening. Once you saw one of them, you were usually good to go. Providers talked with each other and were probably more collegial with one another than now. It would take a while to schedule but was essentially a saker system than what we have now. This system still exists in the higher end of our system on sites such as Eros and others. There are other online places now where you can get vouched for, but have to pay a fee and then have access to their providers. For guys on the road, it is a plus. They check you out in unobtrusive ways and verify you. It costs though.
Benz is providing the same thing for free. Based on nothing more than his looking into your status and maybe reading posts, you get a reference.
Does Benz benefit? I don't know but probably. Perhaps that is not such a bad thing. Is he coercive with potential and existing providers. Not that I know of and I have asked. It almost seems the opposite.
Benz has been around for a long time. He will be around for a long time. For many guys, he helps a lot. He has developed skills in developing utr providers that most have not, and he shares. I have my own utr providers, I'm on the list but very rarely ask for a number.
You know we have bigger fish to fry, like somehow keeping increasing donations down.
I don't always agree with Benz but I consider him a big asset to our community. Does he over promote? Maybe, but that is up for you to decide. Then chill. If you don't like his posts, move on. None of those who have cast any stones here have done anything at all to support this community like he has. Benz is using a very old approach, the reference or vouch system, in a different form. The vouch system was about safety, his system offers a bit of that, not like one provider consulting like a professional would with another professional but it still offers a degree of comfort to new providers. A2 talks about what a pimp is, I don't consider Benz a pimp personally. We have both been around a long time. I'm sure he was a member of the old boards but I don't know what is mane was. What he is doing is just a variation on what has been going on successfully for many many years.
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06-09-19 07:21 #380
Posts: 416A2
Originally Posted by Admin2 [View Original Post]
Thanks.
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06-09-19 04:37 #379
Posts: 2994Password System
I think this is a really good topic to discuss so I thought I would throw in my two cents. When these women put their numbers on sites like STG and cityx they have no idea who they are setting up appointments with (LE, pimps, time wasters, future stalkers, etc). If I was a provider I know I would much rather get my customers thru some sort of verified process. And I agree with what Comrad said about how most of these girls, that are currently taking advantage of this password system, were first introduced to this hobby by Benz. I am sure most of them would say that without this system they probably would have never dipped their toes in the water. And Benz is taking a risk. He is trusting these women to not screw over the frenz he sends their way which would damage his credibility. And he is trusting these women to not screw him over (ie they know his face and his USA username and that opens him up to the possibility of blackmail). I won't elaborate on that as I do not want to put specific ideas in anyone's head. So if Benz is getting any sort of discount from these ladies then it is well deserved in my opinion. And yes you are at his mercy when it comes to being on his frenz list. That is what it is. If we don't like it then there is nothing preventing us from doing the same thing that he is doing.
One last thing. The password system doesn't necessarily work long term for all of these UTR providers since the customer base is limited, which means the income will be limited. For that reason some of these UTR providers will eventually seek new customers on sites like STG, Cityx, USA Classifieds, Seeking, etc. So if your not on the Frenz list then hang in there because some of them will surface somewhere eventually.
Originally Posted by Comrad [View Original Post]
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06-09-19 00:40 #378
Posts: 374Originally Posted by NoseJelly [View Original Post]
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06-08-19 23:12 #377
Posts: 2Safety First
I don't like the password system but I am comforted that the ladies are being protected.
I have worked in the hospitality business since the 70's and have been around the hobby for a long time. There use to be a time when gals would set at the hotel bar and wait for men to come up to them. As a bellman I made great tips pointing out which girls where a sure thing if they had the funds. Until the police told me it was pandering and illegal.
Some of the ladies became friends at a time I was not involved in the hobby and where treated like co-workers. I got to know some of the girls and learned to respect what they do. Many of them are good people wanting to provide a better life for their children. They not only risk their freedom, they risk their physical safety and even their lives.
We need to remember the ladies are someone's daughter, someone's mother, and should be able to work without fear of their client. The password system might not be the best but I am for anything that help get the lady home safely.
I recently moved to the area, I am a newbie there but respect that the ladies are concerned about their safety. I don't know if the password system is the best but it is better than nothing. I am in the same boat as any newbie. I don't have passwords or recommendations. I don't have local references. I'm hoping to book a lunch date, just simple lunch and good conversation to show that I am not a creep and am a gentleman. None of the gals I have contacted so far have gotten back with me, but I trust in time I will find some company to share lunch with, I will find m foot into the door.
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06-08-19 22:41 #376
Posts: 929Popcorn
My popcorn machine barely had time to cool down and I have to fire it up again! This time no gourmet, just plain old heavy butter.
Professor Benz is an Innovator. He's saved me a lot of legwork and drama. I got a top 3 UTR because of the Professor way before the whole Frenz thing started even. She raves about the Benz. He's a Monger's Monger. So what if he gets a little extra pussy? And has a Chesire Grin on his face? I would too, if I wasn't old and lazy!
NJ.
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06-08-19 21:31 #375
Posts: 99Thank You
Originally Posted by Admin2 [View Original Post]
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06-08-19 21:12 #374
Posts: 4931For the purposes of this forum yes
Originally Posted by HeadShot [View Original Post]Originally Posted by DjBiker [View Original Post]
I think of it like this. Who's in control of the relationship and the money. Does the chick control the relationship and all her money? If she does, if she's free to leave the relationship at anytime and controls the money she's not being pimped. She's ALLOWED to let people earn a fee for helping her with her business. I have a guy who has deep ties with a bunch of German FKK's. He pretty much manages our advertising relationship with them and for that he receives free advertising on the USASG. Is he a pimp?
What about the person who runs an escort service and gets 10% but takes care of all the administrative shit about booking and advertising? The law says they are a pimp but they don't tell the chick when to work or how much they have to earn. They also don't handle the money, the chick gets the money and handles their payment. Is she pimped? The law says yes.
I don't really like this Friends of Benz bullshit but the chicks don't seem to mind, not a single one has ever written me to complain about him.
I think you guys like complaining about shit. Otherwise you would put him on your ignore list and go about the business of getting pussy.
I addressed this because by calling him a pimp you imply we tolerate his business. You're going to have to prove to me that chicks are being abused by an unequal power dynamic before you can make that case. If they aren't and the guys who fuck them are happy then it's not your business.
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06-08-19 18:51 #373
Posts: 416Handler
Originally Posted by Benz1 [View Original Post]
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06-08-19 18:49 #372
Posts: 416Originally Posted by Benz1 [View Original Post]
Plus other providers have said you ask for freebies and you will create this and promote just be honest dude.