Grand Rapids Pugilistic Society

[Jon Doe2]

So you benefit financially, while "protecting" sex workers, and also gain favor from said workers for services, yep. That's a pimp you moron. I've said it about you before, and I'll say it again. The logic you use to justify it, is just ridiculous wordsmithing and utterly paper thin. So yeah, fuck you and your "friends list".

Sit back, SHUT THE FUCK UP and enjoy the fruits of his labor! What do you care if Benz is somehow benefiting from the relationships he takes the time to cultivates and develop and then proceeds to share with us?? You jealous?

I know I feel a lot more comfortable meeting someone for the 1st time if he has vouched for her and I would imagine the girl does too. Damn, what a fuckin tool.

[ScareCrow413]

"I agree, the thing to remember is that these girls wouldn't even be in the hobby if not for Benz. It has to be scary for these girls, single moms trying to make it. If they got busted they could lose their kids. I don't blame them for trying to be safe, hasn't always worked out for me either, but I respect the process. ".

I don't know Benz, wouldn't know him if we knocked on my door. I am not the one to judge him or his motives but I do hope Benz also not just supports the ladies while in the hobby but also givens them support if they wanting to leave the hobby. I hope he is there for them to support a bright future, to encourage them to get an education or vocational training, so the ladies will have options. Some enjoy the work, they enjoy the life style and the freedom, other can become trapped into the profession.

I hope he or someone would be there for them if they look of other options. It appears Benz is looking out for the ladies, keeping them safer and helping their business.

Comrad is right, the gals are in a vulnerable situation with a stranger they don't know if is a gentleman, abusive or a serial killer. It has to be scary. I hope Benz is more than a client but could also be considered a true friend to the ladies.

I would also hope the gals do communicate among themselves to pass along information and warnings. I hope they are looking out for each other.

I was suspicious of your first post but after this one I'm pretty sure you're a chick.

These ladies make 100's of dollars an hour having sex, how is it in any way the responsibility of the guys paying them a lawyers wage to make sure they have educational or vocational training for their post hooker career?

You need to go

A2

[Ford1275]

Not long ago many of us remember and were part of what we sometimes refer to as the "old boards". The girls were usually a step or three or four up from the ladies on STG, CityXGuide, Adult Look, etc. Recall the posts not to long ago lamenting or talking about old providers such as Schorcy. It was the rule, not the exception that you needed two references in order to schedule with one of those providers. The references came from other providers you have recently seen. Providers would call another provider and ask them about you, using a screen name. There were other review boards back then as well and girls would post on those boards. The key thing is, they wanted a reference from 2 providers. Being a newbie was tough. You had to see a provider to get a reference. Turns out a few providers would accept newbies bt they would do their own screening. Once you saw one of them, you were usually good to go. Providers talked with each other and were probably more collegial with one another than now. It would take a while to schedule but was essentially a saker system than what we have now. This system still exists in the higher end of our system on sites such as Eros and others. There are other online places now where you can get vouched for, but have to pay a fee and then have access to their providers. For guys on the road, it is a plus. They check you out in unobtrusive ways and verify you. It costs though.

Benz is providing the same thing for free. Based on nothing more than his looking into your status and maybe reading posts, you get a reference.

Does Benz benefit? I don't know but probably. Perhaps that is not such a bad thing. Is he coercive with potential and existing providers. Not that I know of and I have asked. It almost seems the opposite.

Benz has been around for a long time. He will be around for a long time. For many guys, he helps a lot. He has developed skills in developing utr providers that most have not, and he shares. I have my own utr providers, I'm on the list but very rarely ask for a number.

You know we have bigger fish to fry, like somehow keeping increasing donations down.

I don't always agree with Benz but I consider him a big asset to our community. Does he over promote? Maybe, but that is up for you to decide. Then chill. If you don't like his posts, move on. None of those who have cast any stones here have done anything at all to support this community like he has. Benz is using a very old approach, the reference or vouch system, in a different form. The vouch system was about safety, his system offers a bit of that, not like one provider consulting like a professional would with another professional but it still offers a degree of comfort to new providers. A2 talks about what a pimp is, I don't consider Benz a pimp personally. We have both been around a long time. I'm sure he was a member of the old boards but I don't know what is mane was. What he is doing is just a variation on what has been going on successfully for many many years.

I want to say first I'm not a member of the friends of Benz club but I agree with everything that is said above and was going to post pretty much the same thing. The old boards worked just like as described and what Benz is doing is simar not exactly the same but similar. If he wants to go through the work of doing what he's doing then good for him and the people that benefit from it. It's my understanding that if you want to get in on the action then all you have to do is contribute to the site in a positive and helpful way and you can get in on the action. I don't understand where the problem is.

[ThrobbinWood]

This!! For me, the risk isn't even close to worth any reward he may recieve in the way of free pussy. More power to him. I'm sure he is easily target #1 if LE were to ever care to pursue anyone on this board, annt to mention as Wolverine pointed out the risk of blackmail from any of the ladies. And we all know how trustworthy, or NOT, some of these ladies can be. Ain't no way that "free" pussy could be worth the cost if it ever crashed on him.

Benz is like The Fonz. The girls want to run their fingers through his hair and all the mongers want to touch his leather jacket. Fonz made Happy Days and Benz makes the GR board. LOL.

[Blackfire]

And Benz is taking a risk.

This!! For me, the risk isn't even close to worth any reward he may recieve in the way of free pussy. More power to him. I'm sure he is easily target #1 if LE were to ever care to pursue anyone on this board, annt to mention as Wolverine pointed out the risk of blackmail from any of the ladies. And we all know how trustworthy, or NOT, some of these ladies can be. Ain't no way that "free" pussy could be worth the cost if it ever crashed on him.

[ChipCharger]

Not long ago many of us remember and were part of what we sometimes refer to as the "old boards". The girls were usually a step or three or four up from the ladies on STG, CityXGuide, Adult Look, etc. Recall the posts not to long ago lamenting or talking about old providers such as Schorcy. It was the rule, not the exception that you needed two references in order to schedule with one of those providers. The references came from other providers you have recently seen. Providers would call another provider and ask them about you, using a screen name. There were other review boards back then as well and girls would post on those boards. The key thing is, they wanted a reference from 2 providers. Being a newbie was tough. You had to see a provider to get a reference. Turns out a few providers would accept newbies bt they would do their own screening. Once you saw one of them, you were usually good to go. Providers talked with each other and were probably more collegial with one another than now. It would take a while to schedule but was essentially a saker system than what we have now. This system still exists in the higher end of our system on sites such as Eros and others. There are other online places now where you can get vouched for, but have to pay a fee and then have access to their providers. For guys on the road, it is a plus. They check you out in unobtrusive ways and verify you. It costs though.

Benz is providing the same thing for free. Based on nothing more than his looking into your status and maybe reading posts, you get a reference.

Does Benz benefit? I don't know but probably. Perhaps that is not such a bad thing. Is he coercive with potential and existing providers. Not that I know of and I have asked. It almost seems the opposite.

Benz has been around for a long time. He will be around for a long time. For many guys, he helps a lot. He has developed skills in developing utr providers that most have not, and he shares. I have my own utr providers, I'm on the list but very rarely ask for a number.

You know we have bigger fish to fry, like somehow keeping increasing donations down.

I don't always agree with Benz but I consider him a big asset to our community. Does he over promote? Maybe, but that is up for you to decide. Then chill. If you don't like his posts, move on. None of those who have cast any stones here have done anything at all to support this community like he has. Benz is using a very old approach, the reference or vouch system, in a different form. The vouch system was about safety, his system offers a bit of that, not like one provider consulting like a professional would with another professional but it still offers a degree of comfort to new providers. A2 talks about what a pimp is, I don't consider Benz a pimp personally. We have both been around a long time. I'm sure he was a member of the old boards but I don't know what is mane was. What he is doing is just a variation on what has been going on successfully for many many years.

[DjBiker]

And I'm happy to explain the difference. As far as the law is concerned if any person gets any kind of benefit from a working girl they are guilty of pandering. That would mean if some chick, paid another chick to ONLY answer her phone and schedule her appointments, then the chick answering the phone is a pimp. End of story.

I think of it like this. Who's in control of the relationship and the money. Does the chick control the relationship and all her money? If she does, if she's free to leave the relationship at anytime and controls the money she's not being pimped. She's ALLOWED to let people earn a fee for helping her with her business. I have a guy who has deep ties with a bunch of German FKK's. He pretty much manages our advertising relationship with them and for that he receives free advertising on the USASG. Is he a pimp?

What about the person who runs an escort service and gets 10% but takes care of all the administrative shit about booking and advertising? The law says they are a pimp but they don't tell the chick when to work or how much they have to earn. They also don't handle the money, the chick gets the money and handles their payment. Is she pimped? The law says yes.

I don't really like this Friends of Benz bullshit but the chicks don't seem to mind, not a single one has ever written me to complain about him.

I think you guys like complaining about shit. Otherwise you would put him on your ignore list and go about the business of getting pussy.

I addressed this because by calling him a pimp you imply we tolerate his business. You're going to have to prove to me that chicks are being abused by an unequal power dynamic before you can make that case. If they aren't and the guys who fuck them are happy then it's not your business.

A2

I apologize if me calling a pimp I was just asking him to show a difference from what he does and a pimp, your above definition is on track, but his continually calling out and denouncing providers that have handlers that HE is exactly the same, that's the point I was trying to make, this frenz bullshit gives him a personally site to advertise his shit, but you are correct to many other things to do to worry about his shit, as they say his story his b / s.

Thanks.

[Wolverines]

I think this is a really good topic to discuss so I thought I would throw in my two cents. When these women put their numbers on sites like STG and cityx they have no idea who they are setting up appointments with (LE, pimps, time wasters, future stalkers, etc). If I was a provider I know I would much rather get my customers thru some sort of verified process. And I agree with what Comrad said about how most of these girls, that are currently taking advantage of this password system, were first introduced to this hobby by Benz. I am sure most of them would say that without this system they probably would have never dipped their toes in the water. And Benz is taking a risk. He is trusting these women to not screw over the frenz he sends their way which would damage his credibility. And he is trusting these women to not screw him over (ie they know his face and his USA username and that opens him up to the possibility of blackmail). I won't elaborate on that as I do not want to put specific ideas in anyone's head. So if Benz is getting any sort of discount from these ladies then it is well deserved in my opinion. And yes you are at his mercy when it comes to being on his frenz list. That is what it is. If we don't like it then there is nothing preventing us from doing the same thing that he is doing.

One last thing. The password system doesn't necessarily work long term for all of these UTR providers since the customer base is limited, which means the income will be limited. For that reason some of these UTR providers will eventually seek new customers on sites like STG, Cityx, USA Classifieds, Seeking, etc. So if your not on the Frenz list then hang in there because some of them will surface somewhere eventually.

"I agree, the thing to remember is that these girls wouldn't even be in the hobby if not for Benz. It has to be scary for these girls, single moms trying to make it. If they got busted they could lose their kids. I don't blame them for trying to be safe, hasn't always worked out for me either, but I respect the process. ".

[Comrad]

My popcorn machine barely had time to cool down and I have to fire it up again! This time no gourmet, just plain old heavy butter.

Professor Benz is an Innovator. He's saved me a lot of legwork and drama. I got a top 3 UTR because of the Professor way before the whole Frenz thing started even. She raves about the Benz. He's a Monger's Monger. So what if he gets a little extra pussy? And has a Chesire Grin on his face? I would too, if I wasn't old and lazy!

NJ.

"I agree, the thing to remember is that these girls wouldn't even be in the hobby if not for Benz. It has to be scary for these girls, single moms trying to make it. If they got busted they could lose their kids. I don't blame them for trying to be safe, hasn't always worked out for me either, but I respect the process. ".

[ScareCrow413]

I don't like the password system but I am comforted that the ladies are being protected.

I have worked in the hospitality business since the 70's and have been around the hobby for a long time. There use to be a time when gals would set at the hotel bar and wait for men to come up to them. As a bellman I made great tips pointing out which girls where a sure thing if they had the funds. Until the police told me it was pandering and illegal.

Some of the ladies became friends at a time I was not involved in the hobby and where treated like co-workers. I got to know some of the girls and learned to respect what they do. Many of them are good people wanting to provide a better life for their children. They not only risk their freedom, they risk their physical safety and even their lives.

We need to remember the ladies are someone's daughter, someone's mother, and should be able to work without fear of their client. The password system might not be the best but I am for anything that help get the lady home safely.

I recently moved to the area, I am a newbie there but respect that the ladies are concerned about their safety. I don't know if the password system is the best but it is better than nothing. I am in the same boat as any newbie. I don't have passwords or recommendations. I don't have local references. I'm hoping to book a lunch date, just simple lunch and good conversation to show that I am not a creep and am a gentleman. None of the gals I have contacted so far have gotten back with me, but I trust in time I will find some company to share lunch with, I will find m foot into the door.

[NoseJelly]

My popcorn machine barely had time to cool down and I have to fire it up again! This time no gourmet, just plain old heavy butter.

Professor Benz is an Innovator. He's saved me a lot of legwork and drama. I got a top 3 UTR because of the Professor way before the whole Frenz thing started even. She raves about the Benz. He's a Monger's Monger. So what if he gets a little extra pussy? And has a Chesire Grin on his face? I would too, if I wasn't old and lazy!

NJ.

[JeepsRule]

I don't really like this Friends of Benz bullshit but the chicks don't seem to mind, not a single one has ever written me to complain about him.

I addressed this because by calling him a pimp you imply we tolerate his business. You're going to have to prove to me that chicks are being abused by an unequal power dynamic before you can make that case. If they aren't and the guys who fuck them are happy then it's not your business.

A2

Thank you for this before it got to be ugly.

[Admin2]

So you benefit financially, while "protecting" sex workers, and also gain favor from said workers for services, yep. That's a pimp you moron. I've said it about you before, and I'll say it again. The logic you use to justify it, is just ridiculous wordsmithing and utterly paper thin. So yeah, fuck you and your "friends list".

Just everyone talks about pimps and handlers and you denounced them but are you really doing anything different?

And I'm happy to explain the difference. As far as the law is concerned if any person gets any kind of benefit from a working girl they are guilty of pandering. That would mean if some chick, paid another chick to ONLY answer her phone and schedule her appointments, then the chick answering the phone is a pimp. End of story.

I think of it like this. Who's in control of the relationship and the money. Does the chick control the relationship and all her money? If she does, if she's free to leave the relationship at anytime and controls the money she's not being pimped. She's ALLOWED to let people earn a fee for helping her with her business. I have a guy who has deep ties with a bunch of German FKK's. He pretty much manages our advertising relationship with them and for that he receives free advertising on the USASG. Is he a pimp?

What about the person who runs an escort service and gets 10% but takes care of all the administrative shit about booking and advertising? The law says they are a pimp but they don't tell the chick when to work or how much they have to earn. They also don't handle the money, the chick gets the money and handles their payment. Is she pimped? The law says yes.

I don't really like this Friends of Benz bullshit but the chicks don't seem to mind, not a single one has ever written me to complain about him.

I think you guys like complaining about shit. Otherwise you would put him on your ignore list and go about the business of getting pussy.

I addressed this because by calling him a pimp you imply we tolerate his business. You're going to have to prove to me that chicks are being abused by an unequal power dynamic before you can make that case. If they aren't and the guys who fuck them are happy then it's not your business.

A2

[DjBiker]

Not to long ago you and a few others made comments on this forum about how you thought the use of passwords was BS. So I took you and the others off the Frenz of Benz list. It's all about the safety of providers not getting busted, like a few have recently.

I used the same password system for Angel Luv while she was in Kentucky, she made enough money to make the trip back to GR a few different times. Ask Angel how she liked the system, were there any problems and did she feel safe. Some UTRs just starting out are very nervous, for a lot of good reasons. Most of them don't want to see our members that break the rules on this site. Getting redacted posts shows unpredictability.
As for your comment about criticism of providers, I will always criticize providers using old or fake pics. Old outdated pics are fake pics. I will not stay and pay a provider using fake pics , even if shes hot.
I'm just trying to help both sides stay safe.

Happy Hunting.

Just everyone talks about pimps and handlers and you denounced them but are you really doing anything different?

[DjBiker]

Not to long ago you and a few others made comments on this forum about how you thought the use of passwords was BS. So I took you and the others off the Frenz of Benz list. It's all about the safety of providers not getting busted, like a few have recently.

I used the same password system for Angel Luv while she was in Kentucky, she made enough money to make the trip back to GR a few different times. Ask Angel how she liked the system, were there any problems and did she feel safe. Some UTRs just starting out are very nervous, for a lot of good reasons. Most of them don't want to see our members that break the rules on this site. Getting redacted posts shows unpredictability.
As for your comment about criticism of providers, I will always criticize providers using old or fake pics. Old outdated pics are fake pics. I will not stay and pay a provider using fake pics , even if shes hot.
I'm just trying to help both sides stay safe.



Happy Hunting.

So your trying to tell this whole site you don't get free benefits out of this whole system you devised I personally think that's not true.

Plus other providers have said you ask for freebies and you will create this and promote just be honest dude.