Grand Rapids Pugilistic Society

[Asianplvr]

I am pretty sure I have heard those exact words from someone here on the board. Interesting.

One more quick note that I didn't include earlier. If you have to be "friends" with someone to get a password don't you think you should know that person personally like actually have met the person? What classifies you as a friend of anyone then, your keyboard skills? I know I have personally seen certain "friends of" and they were the biggest assholes I have ever met and they got the boot quickly. Again verification is a very simple safe process if done correctly and efficiently.

I understand there are certain mongers out here that genuinely have the providers best interest at heart and want to help them out,These guys actually pay for the service. I am certainly not saying that all password holders are like this but in my experience certain ones only want free services or actually they expect it. I also believe that giving digits vs passwords is a BIG difference. Giving a girls number to a select few people that you can trust is different than having control of passwords and who can and cannot see your UTR. That is where the line gets crossed, when you start to encroach in the negotiations (ie asking to give discounts to certain friends) and also essentially picking the clientele for the provider.

Again my warning for all. If you are seeing a provider with a "password" handler you are only asking for trouble. If someone offers to give your number to a select few people to help you out that's a totally different situation and obviously a relationship has been built between the provided and the person handing out the number.

Looking at all the aspects of safety and I can understand how people would think a password is a safe bet but obviously that has now been proven to be fake news.

I agree with you totally! I have been a member here longer than most, at one time very active on the board and Always giving contact info to trusted members without needing to be my friend per say. I would never pretend or act as a pimp or handler to any of the providers. I'm not active here like I once was, several reasons for that that I won't go into but I will admit this password friend thing is a real turn off for me. This board is here to share information so we can find and have a great experience, share freely, don't hide behind passwords.

Thanks A2 if you let me be heard this time. Stay safe guys and girls, play nice!

[DjBiker]

Well once again "the king" is proven to be a bullshitter, he seemed to know about a providers business and she responded to counter his nonsense, when the fuk you idiots going to see him for what is and quit putting $$ in his pocket j / c man.

Congrats for the person that spoke up with great advice.

[VetteMan6981]

Well, probably not the best attitude and post to put out there if you were hoping to get to the good UTR's. Just my humble opinion.

If you read my post, it wasn't meant to be rude or disrespectful. Just stating that the couple UTRs that were shared with me weren't what I was hoping for or imagining. It was basically just a comment since everyone was talking about UTRs that day and was in no way meant to be disrespectful. If you read my reviews, I try to be open and honest and fair, even if it means saying a provider didn't live up to my expectations. Other side of that coin is I will give high praise when one goes above and beyond or does something that impresses me even if it is something little like being extra friendly or talkative.

[Benz1]

You'd think, but not really. I would say I've left more bad reviews of Benz's UTRs I've seen than good reviews. It hasn't affected my ability to get referrals from him. Most of us don't require obedience. Its not a cult. Be respectful and truthful. Don't mistreat the girl so she stays active.

They don't all start out good, they're not pros.

Hopefully they improve and don't fuck up and when they do we need real reviews like Monger01's to give us the real story.

If they screw up I'll be the first to say so. It's been awhile but it happens. Back when Lilliana was A UTR, fucking up and playing her games. Pretty girl knows the hobby well and hopped to get away with some bullshit. When a member asked about had anyone seen this one? I said don't go see her and Realtree40 had bad stories to match.

If any provider is no good, We need to Expose their Bullshit.

[HornyFlyer]

I am reasonably sure A2 can IP ban people. Forum engines I've used have that feature. Yes, they can use other sources but eventually you run out of alternate IPs. Paying for a proxy that changes IPs constantly is likely beyond what these children will bother with.

Yes, I too have ran businesses that had forums and IP banning is very effective, but sometimes you have to block a whole class of IP's, such as perhaps a kid in a college dorm room with dynamic IP's, or even cellphones, which can be tougher.

It's really quite a shame the immaturity of a lot of these guys is what it is. You don't have to like each other, but we are all trying to help each other. Trolls should be broomed swiftly and made examples of. Maybe we need more admins who could jump on it quicker. Being gone for a week it took me over an hour to wade through the whining BS from the same very few jerks who as usual, have nothing positive to provide, only attacking anyone and everyone.

[Blackfire]

Well now I am going to speak up.

I am going to give my perspective on passwords now that I am now being brought into it.

Passwords are used by handlers and those that are looking for freebies. Now its up to the girl to decide if they are going to oblige with those requests from those gentlemen, and I hate to even refer to these guys as gentlemen. I look at them like the pimps they are TRYING to be. Most are fat washed up old men who feel power behind a keyboard and looking for a blow job here and there.

Most girls are nave and are willing to do whatever to make money and see passwords as a "safe" way of doing so. I can tell you that they DON'T work 100% and they only lead to bigger headaches a lot of the time. If a girl is actually intelligent and not a drug user she could easily handle the verification process on her own. We just don't see a lot of women with basic common sense doing this line of work.

Just look at Debra Hollander or Zara? Does they use a passwords? Look at their reviews and their verification process, do you ever hear about these providers ever having any issues? I guess its all about the clientele you are also trying to attract as well. I am very picky on who I see and if a picture isn't accompanied with a text I AM NOT seeing you. End of discussion.

I also don't agree with certain tactics on how these girls are being brought in to the industry by certain people but that's a post for another day.

Red flags. When they try and text you saying "look at how much money I brought you" those guys are a P I M P and you need to run and stay FAR away from them. They will turn to other tactics to stalk if you don't comply with their requests. It ain't worth your safety in the long run.

IDK take my opinion as whatever but I am just offering my POV as a provider.

XOXO Hunter.

It's nice to get a perspective from a reputable provider. Thanks for speaking your opinion. Hopefully others who seldom speak out on the subject will also share their independent thoughts in such a respectful and forthright manner!

[Monger01]

we know they'll start over with new profiles, but at least they won't be senior members anymore, and it will be obvious who they are before they can re-establish that rank.

I am reasonably sure A2 can IP ban people. Forum engines I've used have that feature. Yes, they can use other sources but eventually you run out of alternate IPs. Paying for a proxy that changes IPs constantly is likely beyond what these children will bother with.

[Monger01]

Well, probably not the best attitude and post to put out there if you were hoping to get to the good UTR's. Just my humble opinion.

You'd think, but not really. I would say I've left more bad reviews of Benz's UTRs I've seen than good reviews. It hasn't affected my ability to get referrals from him. Most of us don't require obedience. Its not a cult. Be respectful and truthful. Don't mistreat the girl so she stays active.

[HornyFlyer]

Thanks to those who understand and will support the process positively.

Exactly correct.

I've been here in GR for a year now, starting from scratch, and although I've gotten some digits privately from several of our senior members, I've never even asked for a UTR's yet, for a couple reasons - 1) I don't have the play budget to do this very often. I play with permission, and try to keep it moderate, and 2) because of that, I usually can't jump right on a new UTR as they pop up on the radar from Benz or the others, and 3) I still feel like I'm building that rapport and trust in this forum by seeing known providers and providing accurate reviews when I see them to share to others. I try to be the example I'd like others to be. If only we all did that.

I am fairly new to USASG, but I'm over twenty years in the hobby. Patience and respect go way further. These young idiots ruin it for everyone. I hope the moderators hurry up and delete this riff-raff. They are a cancer and need to be cut out, and we know they'll start over with new profiles, but at least they won't be senior members anymore, and it will be obvious who they are before they can re-establish that rank.

For you guys with the UTR's. Thanks for the efforts and keeping them safe. I for one appreciate the efforts and hope to indulge some day with them, whether they are UTR or come out as a full provider.

HF.

[MissHunter]

With all the talk about passwords lately.

It reminds me of something a provider once told me that was said to her from someone on this board. "If I do for you, you do for me."

Just some food for thought.

Have a great day.

I am pretty sure I have heard those exact words from someone here on the board. Interesting.

One more quick note that I didn't include earlier. If you have to be "friends" with someone to get a password don't you think you should know that person personally like actually have met the person? What classifies you as a friend of anyone then, your keyboard skills? I know I have personally seen certain "friends of" and they were the biggest assholes I have ever met and they got the boot quickly. Again verification is a very simple safe process if done correctly and efficiently.

I understand there are certain mongers out here that genuinely have the providers best interest at heart and want to help them out,These guys actually pay for the service. I am certainly not saying that all password holders are like this but in my experience certain ones only want free services or actually they expect it. I also believe that giving digits vs passwords is a BIG difference. Giving a girls number to a select few people that you can trust is different than having control of passwords and who can and cannot see your UTR. That is where the line gets crossed, when you start to encroach in the negotiations (ie asking to give discounts to certain friends) and also essentially picking the clientele for the provider.

Again my warning for all. If you are seeing a provider with a "password" handler you are only asking for trouble. If someone offers to give your number to a select few people to help you out that's a totally different situation and obviously a relationship has been built between the provided and the person handing out the number.

Looking at all the aspects of safety and I can understand how people would think a password is a safe bet but obviously that has now been proven to be fake news.

[HornyFlyer]

Since UTRs seem to be the subject of the day, I have to say I am a bit disappointed in the few UTRs that have been shared with me. I keep getting all excited thinking they are going to be young Hotties that look so good they don't need to advertise due to a line of guys waiting for their change to be next. Then I see the pic and realize it is just some woman who is so plain I could probably pick her up for free if I saw her at a bar and would even pass on the chance then. Maybe I have just not been lucky and introduced to the good UTRs yet.

Well, probably not the best attitude and post to put out there if you were hoping to get to the good UTR's. Just my humble opinion.

[JMaul]

I didn't reply in the thread, apparently your post can be compromised (deleted) if you respond to someone else's and that individual deletes their post.

Private Parts. You bring up good points. The risk of providing general remarks means that they don't fit every single person or provider. None of my negative remarks about password hoarding (or is it whoring?) pertain to people who doing it in the interest of the provider.

I still think passwords are stupid AF. How someone can determine the validity of another individual on this forum simply by the remarks they make is beyond me. I want nothing to do with people who use it for their own personal benefit. To say that everyone is using it to their own personal benefit was a bit too much, but why'all got to It does happen . And probably more so than you may be led to believe.

I've had to communicate via email with providers to gain their trust. Send a PM in this forum. Use another provider for reference. But a password from one member to another does not validate a client for a provider. At best you may think it does. At worst it's no different than a handler. Maybe we will have to agree to disagree there LOL.

Personally I'd prefer to keep you all out of my discussions with the beautiful women of GR and although the thought of a hot threesome is appealing, it unfortunately doesn't include you. Two ladies you bet, but not you.

The best providers you hear about on these forums don't use passwords because they don't need to. They find ways to ensure they see reasonable clients and not assholes. And per other posts it sounds like there's great providers that aren't reviewed here because they are truly UTR.

To each their own. It's pretty easy for me, I've found some people have the same experience I do with someone and it helps me to understand who I may want to visit based on the trustworthiness of their other posts. There are those I don't trust.

Some of the worst experiences I've had were from providers being unnecessarily promoted, many with a password.

Every single one of my great experiences didn't require the help of another member or password to make it happen.

Maybe I'm just lucky, but I think for me it's a pretty tried and true method to just go on my own and not let someone else moderate.

[SlippingDog]

With all the talk about passwords lately.

It reminds me of something a provider once told me that was said to her from someone on this board. "If I do for you, you do for me."

Just some food for thought.

Have a great day.

[Monger01]

Luckily she said you are a small little guy (in all aspects)

Ahh Napoleon complex. This explains all the over the top over compensation. You now need to buy a red sports car titlover to complete the stereotype.

[Benz1]

OMG I can't believe you decided to brag about this! At first I was pissed but then I called her. Yes, she did confirm that she saw someone at the hotel but it didn't go quite like you said. She said "he didn't even last long enough for me to remove his pants" LOL. She also said you spent the better part of the hour watching really weird porn on your phone trying get it up again. What exactly did you watch? She said it was disturbing stuff so you just watched it by yourself while she waited. Luckily she said you are a small little guy (in all aspects) so she was never threatened by you but she said it was a very awkward experience. She said the second time you got "a little chubby" and it wasn't much better, just not as messy like when you came on your own clothes. The biggest issue she had is you tried to weasel out of the 1 hr donation because the total time you let her touch you was less than a short stay. WTF, she's not an escort so she doesn't even know what "SS" even means! She said no way would she ever see you again so she's blocked your number.

She also said a few other funny things that I can't post publicly. It's frickin hilarious so I'll probably PM a few of the senior members. Actually I may have to post it because it's too good not to share. I can't believe you thought it was a good idea to troll and then brag about it! Too funny.

If we can't trust any of these assholes, I'll be keeping Lilliana and SBJ's sister to myself.

Sorry guys but this messed up BS is your fault for spreading shit you shouldn't be.