Grand Rapids Pugilistic Society

[TitLover420]

So I just got flowerchilds new pw and number. You can't trust anyone. 😂.

[NoseJelly]

As riveting as this thread is, does anyone actually believe they're going to change the way someone else Mongers? I'll remain the same low level scumbag I've always been and DJblower will remain the same highschool droput, living in his Mom's basement!

[Rome123]

You guys and Hunter are trying for purity in a hobby that has little of it in the first place.

If there's a girl I'd like to see out there that does not advertise and I don't know about her getting her digits and a PW is only a plus. And why do I give 2 shits if some guy gets a cut or a free BJ? You think most of the girls you see are spending their money on cancer research or tuition? I'd bet 98% have a drug and or alcohol habit. Some have a pimp / boyfriend. Kamila Blue from a few years back comes to mind. Unemployed druggie who used his "girlfriend" the 19 year old Kamila to fund his habit and pay for their room at Lazy-T. I watched him hop on his bike numerous times as I pulled in to see Kamila. But WHOA, Benz might be getting a free BJ! OMG! So you are ok giving your STG girl money to buy meth but not ok if a monger gets a discounted blow job for helping advertised her? Sounds like selective morals to me!

I don't know if Benz gets anything for his PW deal and do not care for the reasons above. Don't pretend you care so much guys. This hobby is not full of saints.

I can tell you 100% I've received nothing of value for UTR digits I've shared. I do admit it gave me an edge booking the girl later. But I never got a freebee or discount for it before.
Hell, I bought Destiny (not UTR mind you) a cellphone and got no freebee - and never expected one either. Here again, the plus was her old phone was crap and caused issues in communication so in a way it helped me but it also helped her.

BP sold them ads. Were you mad at BP? Get real!

You're still talking about Destiny. The dead heroin junkie who broke your heart. You could see the track marks on her arms in her Backpage ads. Benz is a joke. His so called UTR girls are a joke too. The guy has a fake Facebook page where he tries to talk normal girls into becoming prostitutes. I don't see druggies. I don't see girls with pimps or handlers. The last two girls I saw on a regular basis were both drug free full time college students. Some of us do care where are money goes.

[JMaul]

You guys and Hunter are trying for purity in a hobby that has little of it in the first place.

If there's a girl I'd like to see out there that does not advertise and I don't know about her getting her digits and a PW is only a plus. And why do I give 2 shits if some guy gets a cut or a free BJ? You think most of the girls you see are spending their money on cancer research or tuition? I'd bet 98% have a drug and or alcohol habit. Some have a pimp / boyfriend. Kamila Blue from a few years back comes to mind. Unemployed druggie who used his "girlfriend" the 19 year old Kamila to fund his habit and pay for their room at Lazy-T. I watched him hop on his bike numerous times as I pulled in to see Kamila. But WHOA, Benz might be getting a free BJ! OMG! So you are ok giving your STG girl money to buy meth but not ok if a monger gets a discounted blow job for helping advertised her? Sounds like selective morals to me!

I don't know if Benz gets anything for his PW deal and do not care for the reasons above. Don't pretend you care so much guys. This hobby is not full of saints.

I can tell you 100% I've received nothing of value for UTR digits I've shared. I do admit it gave me an edge booking the girl later. But I never got a freebee or discount for it before.
Hell, I bought Destiny (not UTR mind you) a cellphone and got no freebee - and never expected one either. Here again, the plus was her old phone was crap and caused issues in communication so in a way it helped me but it also helped her.

BP sold them ads. Were you mad at BP? Get real!

To each their own right? Side B is a probable druggie (you said 98% right?) being handled by Frenz and Choice B is a non-pimped clean provider.

It's not about being righteous. Drugs are bad m'kay? At least to me, and they bring about a bunch of unwanted attention and nasty habits with them. They're all yours dude, have at it.

Brook Billions was the final straw for me. Constantly promoted on the boards, with passwords no less. Guess what? Didn't need one. I wish I never met her. What a drugged out train wreck. Which is sad because I'm sure at one point she was pretty and decent. Not to mention the shit house she was in was busted. From that point forward it was clear that if I had any inclination to think hard drugs are involved, I'm out. Before you go by saying I'm some holier than thou twat I'm not condemning anyone who does it. It's your choice, your time, your money, and your safety. Seems a bit comical when there are constant complaints on the board about this type of provider yet still people pay because pussy is pussy. No thanks.

Following your example, below is a list of clean providers that fall into your 2%. I guess there really is a lot of options in GR when you take that into perspective.

Alyssa.

Anyone from body works (Brit runs a clean shop).

Sarah.

Jaye.

Miaa (HH).

Morgan.

Sweet Megan.

Delilah.

Julia Sweetcheeks.

Jenna / Tabitha.

Hunter.

Natalie (panacea).

Aliese (maybe still panacea?

And the list goes on.

Know what else every single one of those ladies had in common? No passwords, reliable service, decent human beings and won't waste your time. Oddly enough, I think all of them also share disdain for certain individuals who like to work the "password protected" circuit themselves, but I won't speak for them. Ask them yourself.

I'm trying to keep an open mind with what you're saying but I think your blurring a lot of different lines together. Ultimately I guess it comes down to what we consider a good provider.

[MissHunter]

And here we go with another handler tactic. Fill up the board with bullshit so nobody sees the true colors.

[DjBiker]

Now that Mr wonderful has been called out his 5 fuks rush to his Russia Russia hoax 😂128514;. And correct me but one of his buddies states the providers are hooked and users humm didn't he always say he was helping the addicts? What a line of bullshit, he was and is a troller of down on their luck addicts usually toothless and not top notch so he can benefit on others issues, now it comes to light but his 5 "jerry nadlers" who by the way seem to like fake news will back that dipshit and not call him out, but. On a positive I see snot nose's fat old lady took him off internet time out and as they say "he isss back" 😂128514; till she catches him again that is lmao.

[NoseJelly]

Tit for tat is an English saying meaning "equivalent retaliation". Insult for Insult, like here in the Pugilistic Thread!

Quid Pro Quo is a favor or advantage granted or expected in return for something.

A Pimp gets a cut of the money and dictates what the lady does 24/7!

Helping with passwords in exchange for a BJ is Quid Pro Quo and SMART!

Why would anyone help a Hooker for Free unless it's their Job or "called to" Vocation? This is a Forum for finding hookers to fuck and suck! If you want to "appear" Righteous, go complain on FB or Twitter!

[Monger01]

That's interesting. And good food for thought. For those that are strong on passwords would it bother you at all if that was one of the reasons and method used for the password holder to be doing it? Or is that just kind of understood? If it's understood and a normal practice to do that "tit for tat" "blow for promotion" where's the line between pimping and "helping someone out"?

You guys and Hunter are trying for purity in a hobby that has little of it in the first place.

If there's a girl I'd like to see out there that does not advertise and I don't know about her getting her digits and a PW is only a plus. And why do I give 2 shits if some guy gets a cut or a free BJ? You think most of the girls you see are spending their money on cancer research or tuition? I'd bet 98% have a drug and or alcohol habit. Some have a pimp / boyfriend. Kamila Blue from a few years back comes to mind. Unemployed druggie who used his "girlfriend" the 19 year old Kamila to fund his habit and pay for their room at Lazy-T. I watched him hop on his bike numerous times as I pulled in to see Kamila. But WHOA, Benz might be getting a free BJ! OMG! So you are ok giving your STG girl money to buy meth but not ok if a monger gets a discounted blow job for helping advertised her? Sounds like selective morals to me!

I don't know if Benz gets anything for his PW deal and do not care for the reasons above. Don't pretend you care so much guys. This hobby is not full of saints.

I can tell you 100% I've received nothing of value for UTR digits I've shared. I do admit it gave me an edge booking the girl later. But I never got a freebee or discount for it before.
Hell, I bought Destiny (not UTR mind you) a cellphone and got no freebee - and never expected one either. Here again, the plus was her old phone was crap and caused issues in communication so in a way it helped me but it also helped her.

BP sold them ads. Were you mad at BP? Get real!

[JMaul]

That's interesting. And good food for thought. For those that are strong on passwords would it bother you at all if that was one of the reasons and method used for the password holder to be doing it? Or is that just kind of understood? If it's understood and a normal practice to do that "tit for tat" "blow for promotion" where's the line between pimping and "helping someone out"?

Exactly. Personally I've spoken to several ladies that came in under a "password protected" system and had to break free. Apparently it's not all it's advertised to be.

I don't need anyone moderating my engagements, thank you very much.

Just look at the posts about passwords and you'll see for yourself. Maybe there would be a longer retention of ladies in the hobby if they weren't being groomed by people who are using YOUR money for THEIR benefit.

[Blackfire]

With all the talk about passwords lately.

It reminds me of something a provider once told me that was said to her from someone on this board. "If I do for you, you do for me."

Just some food for thought.

Have a great day.

That's interesting. And good food for thought. For those that are strong on passwords would it bother you at all if that was one of the reasons and method used for the password holder to be doing it? Or is that just kind of understood? If it's understood and a normal practice to do that "tit for tat" "blow for promotion" where's the line between pimping and "helping someone out"?

[Rome123]

Well now I am going to speak up.

I am going to give my perspective on passwords now that I am now being brought into it.

Passwords are used by handlers and those that are looking for freebies. Now its up to the girl to decide if they are going to oblige with those requests from those gentlemen, and I hate to even refer to these guys as gentlemen. I look at them like the pimps they are TRYING to be. Most are fat washed up old men who feel power behind a keyboard and looking for a blow job here and there.

Most girls are nave and are willing to do whatever to make money and see passwords as a "safe" way of doing so. I can tell you that they DON'T work 100% and they only lead to bigger headaches a lot of the time. If a girl is actually intelligent and not a drug user she could easily handle the verification process on her own. We just don't see a lot of women with basic common sense doing this line of work.

Just look at Debra Hollander or Zara? Does they use a passwords? Look at their reviews and their verification process, do you ever hear about these providers ever having any issues? I guess its all about the clientele you are also trying to attract as well. I am very picky on who I see and if a picture isn't accompanied with a text I AM NOT seeing you. End of discussion.

I also don't agree with certain tactics on how these girls are being brought in to the industry by certain people but that's a post for another day..

Looks like they're no longer friends and now we all know why.

[Benz1]

A few years ago a few senior mongers were getting a little disappointed by the majority of members not willing to Take One for The Team. Just cruising on the site Lurking actually complaining that there's not enough talent.

I've taken one for the team many times more than I can count.
Like this one
Alisha / Lacy, Ms. Bad Bitc.
New name, new attitude. I know she always has a duo partner, so I was thinking with both heads when I told her that her gf can stay in the room. No reason she should have to sit in the parking lot. I thought she might lend a helping hand if needed.

She said her new menu was very open when we texted. 2 call setup, I parked in a restaurant next door. She wouldn't discuss the menu until I was naked on the bed, yes BBBJCIM ws was available but more money (upsell). I'm always ready to walk out of an upsell, so I told her I would get dressed take my donation and Leave. She said, this time because you're new, I'll do it for you at the regular rate. That blows any GFE if they start with upsell, so I thought this was going to be a short stay, she needed instructions, kept stopping hoping to miss the shot. I've been through this before, screw it tried FS, not working I hate the cover and she's not into it. Her past ads as Lacy always had her duo partner kissing her, so I know she likes girls and likes Daty, I pushed a pillow under her ass and dove in for lunch, she's definitely enjoying it Pop, shake and quivering and quivered again, I stuck my tongue down her throat then asked how she liked it, all she did was grin and nod. Then I told her that's how I want you to suck my dick, with all that extra play after I pop too. I told her we might need a helping hand from your gf, so she called her out of the bathroom (she was having a cigarette) then I told her to finger fuck her pussy while she gives me head, she let me lick her fingers for a taste, I was right she was loving it the fingers were soaked and tasted great too. Alisha's gf fingers set the rythum with a lot of slurping it didn't take long before her head was bobbing all the way down to the rythum of the slurping fingers. BAM and she swirled for awhile too.

The good. Good attitude and willing to please.

The bad. Tried to upsell, body is out of proportion wide hips with no tits. A's.

I don't feel like giving another lesson, maybe she needs Bloozer and his toy to stick her to the cieling.

The Link won't work right now, she's on bp escorts with 616232**** I will update the link later

The helping hand was entertaining but I probably won't repeat, there are other providers who already know what they're doing Sabrina, Angel, Kandi and Mercedes

A few of us were tired of being the only ones venturing out and taking the original risks to see providers and report back.

As a result I created a 12 step program to help all the lame whiners get out there and find some new talent that they were complaining there was a lack of.

Take One For The Team Guidelines (update # 4).

Step 1 : Find a girl you like, google her number search pics on Google Image.

1. A Search her number on Facebook. / It would wise to have a hobby (fake) FB page before searching.

Step 2 : Monitor the ad for at least 3 days, a sting from LE or Robbery set ups usually don't post for more than two days.

Step 3 : Let the usasexguide members know of your findings from google and ask if anyone has knowledge and you plan on TOFTT.

Step 4 : Buy a hobby phone, Do not use your real name for registration or to the provider.

Step 5 : Contact her on a slow day, for quicker response and better negotiations text or call on Tuesday or Wednesday. They get so many calls on a Friday they might lose your message.

A: Original contact should be a short stay or Hhr, to reduce the risk of an expensive bad date.

B: If her incall is a house address enter it into Google Street view to see the house and neighborhood.

If she gives you a location like 3 mile and Alpine, 28th street hotels between Division and 131, RRI, Knights INN on 28th. Tell her you won't go to those hotels and opt a for car date.

C: Save any negotiation for the end of the call or even your second contact. (a car date is 40 or less).

D: don't wear any loud clothing, blend in.

Step 6 : Never park in her driveway or the hotel parking lot. Park in the street or at a nearby business and walk. Example; if you go to motel 6 on 28th park in the restaurant lot.

Step 7 : Leave all valuables and drivers license at home or in the vehicle. Only take in the money you plan to spend.

Step 8 : Inform her if you are going to be late. If you're arriving early, contact the provider from a gas station a block away, so you and your vehicle do not raise suspicion. While waiting for her response, go in the bathroom and wash your balls while you wait. (providers biggest complaint is Hygiene). Contact her to say you are here. Do not go to any shady houses, just drive by and text her to let her know you will not be coming in her mouth tonight.

A: If you're at a house, have her meet you on the porch.

B: If the Hotel has a side door use it. If you have to walk by the front desk act like you live there, don't ask directions.

Step 9 : Knock on door. If the girl matches the pic stay, if not walk out and report back to USA that the pic doesn't match the girl.

Step 10: Check every room for safety.

Step 11 : Tell her you have the money and maybe show it to her but do not give up the cash until after you receive the services you negotiated for.

Step 12: Report back to USA in full detail including Looks, Smells & Cleanliness (of incall and provider), Attitude and Service.

12 A: Include a link to the providers advertisement so we know who you are reviewing.

These are some steps you should take before you TOFTT. Please add to the list if you see anything I missed.

Just trying to help.

[Benz1]

I've spent a lot of time Taking One For The Team.

One of the most important things to learn is Negotiations.

I hobby on weekdays. Tuesday and Wednesdays for me. They'll quote you the highest rate possible, learn to gently negotiate and try not to offend. For new contacts I text about 11 am on Tuesday, using a phone app on my hobby phone. Using the phone app allows me to negotiate to a number I know she will say No. I text again using my real hobby phone number with a better rate I know she'll say yes to because my phone app found out where the bottom is. I'm guessing I'm the only one texting her at 11 am on Tuesday and the hotel room has to be paid soon. She'll be willing to make a deal with me since the last text she got (from me also. LOL) was lower. This will never work Friday and Saturday, they have plenty of options and your negotiations will be ignored. You have to have game in this game. If not it'll cost you more than those that do. FYI most first time negotiations extend to the next weekday visits.

You're out of luck, If you can only monger on Friday and Saturday. Then it's time to tell the wife, options are getting thin and she'll have to take it on the chin.

[Benz1]

After you're all done having fun, use this review template for an accurate assessment for everyone to see.

Hobby Name:

Marketing: Advertises_UTR_Arrangement_.

Service Type:

Camera Friendly.

HJ_ CBJ_ BBBJ_ Throats_BLS_CIM_ Swallow_ CFS_ BBFS_ Daty_FIV_Greek_.

Extras: Prostrate massage_ Rim Job_ Pegging_ GFE_ MSOG_Fistable_Enjoys Being Toyed_ .

Rates:

Her Sweet Spot what is she particularly good / skilled at, if anything:

Apparent Skill Level:

Attitude:

Enthusiasm:

Personality: Friendly_Engaging_Talkative_Chatterbox_Sullen_Shy_Disinterested_Irritated_Can't Wait To Be Done_.

Hygiene:

Taste / smell of pussy Good_ ok_ Bad_.

Showered / shaved.

Breath.

Skin Condition:

Body type / physique:

Recent Accurate Pics?:

Attractiveness Face:

Attractiveness Body:

If you know what you are doing, can she enjoy herself?:

Phone Number (s) Used: If multiple numbers, list the most recent first - 7 of 10 digits_.

Email:

Website:

Affiliation, if any: Independent_ Agency_Massage Parlor_Strip Club_.

Hobby Acquaintances or Duo's With?

Age: Posted_ Looks like_.

Ethnicity:

Skin Tone:

Hair color:

Teeth: Missing? Meth teeth_.

Bust size:

Bust Appearance: Boltons_ Full_ Saggy _.

Tattoos:

Piercings: Location_.

Feet: _ Toe sucking_.

Smoker?: _ smoke with client?

Signs Of Substance Use?

Incall: Clean_ Messy_ Smelly_ Risky_.

Repeat at this incall? Repeat with this provider_.

Date of Meeting:

Overall Experience: Comments.

[Comrad]

I didn't reply in the thread, apparently your post can be compromised (deleted) if you respond to someone else's and that individual deletes their post.

Private Parts. You bring up good points. The risk of providing general remarks means that they don't fit every single person or provider. None of my negative remarks about password hoarding (or is it whoring?) pertain to people who doing it in the interest of the provider.

I still think passwords are stupid AF. How someone can determine the validity of another individual on this forum simply by the remarks they make is beyond me. I want nothing to do with people who use it for their own personal benefit. To say that everyone is using it to their own personal benefit was a bit too much, but why'all got to It does happen . And probably more so than you may be led to believe.

I've had to communicate via email with providers to gain their trust. Send a PM in this forum. Use another provider for reference. But a password from one member to another does not validate a client for a provider. At best you may think it does. At worst it's no different than a handler. Maybe we will have to agree to disagree there LOL.

Personally I'd prefer to keep you all out of my discussions with the beautiful women of GR and although the thought of a hot threesome is appealing, it unfortunately doesn't include you. Two ladies you bet, but not you.

The best providers you hear about on these forums don't use passwords because they don't need to. They find ways to ensure they see reasonable clients and not assholes. And per other posts it sounds like there's great providers that aren't reviewed here because they are truly UTR.

To each their own. It's pretty easy for me, I've found some people have the same experience I do with someone and it helps me to understand who I may want to visit based on the trustworthiness of their other posts. There are those I don't trust.

Some of the worst experiences I've had were from providers being unnecessarily promoted, many with a password.

Every single one of my great experiences didn't require the help of another member or password to make it happen.

Maybe I'm just lucky, but I think for me it's a pretty tried and true method to just go on my own and not let someone else moderate.

I think that the problem here is the definition of Under The Radar Providers. Unlike some of you stupid fucks that want to continually argue and brag about how big your old fat cock is, it actually means someone that doesn't want to openly post, probably a single mom who needs some extra cash to make it. This never works in my opinion because a girl that wants to see 10-15 regulars always ends up wanting to make more and posts on STG or some other site, when that happens, they are no longer UTR, just a regular provider. It is a unicorn in my opinion, if you find one let me know.