Grand Rapids Pugilistic Society

[Admin2]

Sugar Baby Guide based on my experience with it.

Pros of having a sugar baby vs. Hookers:

Her ultimate goal is to get the "monthly allowance" with as little expectations from you as possible. You will read this in many profiles and or she will tell you this in chat. She will ask for way more than you'd possibly want to spend and she will try to get you to agree to as few meetings as possible in exchange for it. My advice here is don't do the monthly allowance.

I added the bold font but not the content and that part right here makes ther a hooker and you a john. I get it if you want to use these techniques to pay a lot more money for chicks that need to pretend they aren't hookers but it's just more money for pussy. Wait a couple weeks and the price will come down because the rent will still be due and they can't pay it.

You guys who need to feel superior to mongers are just raising your payout. You're just seeing a chick by the hour and she's fucking as many other guys as she can get to pay her, that's not a sugar baby, she's a hooker, you're a john.

Nothing wrong with that, I love hookers.

[Charlie441]

Well, prices tend to rise over time. I can't say I am happy about it but $30 one way or the other, most of the time, won't prevent me from seeing someone I want to see. That said, it will prevent me from seeing them as often as I might like and it wil put me in the market for another option.

I don't agree that the value isn't there because the price changed a little. The more the price changes, the less I'll feel that way. I was starting up pretty regular with a woman a few years ago and she jumped form 200 to 300 an hour. That stopped me cold with her. Had she jumped 25 or 30, I would have kept seeing her but started looking for someone else.

I do agree that prices are headed in an unfortunate direction and I believe it's due to simple supply and demand. Lots of gents are coming into the market and too few women are staying in the market. This is a certain recipe for price rise. The only way to fight it is to change the market to reduce demand or increase supply. None of the fellas here are here because they want to get laid less which will make it hard to reduce demand. I don't know how many pimp-wannabes are hanging about but I am guessing very few so it seems we are at the mercy of chance on increasing supply.

It is a difficult problem.

Here's where I don't think it's quite as simple as what you say. I agree that supply & demand affected things. BP goes down, services become less spread out among Many gals, thus becomes more concentrated to a fewer amount of gals who are posting on STG, these classifieds, and the lesser used areas out there. Due to this, yes, prices go up among them. Now, being realistic, this would be a temporarily situation, albeit lengthy, due to avenues of putting up ads having to gain popularity among the masses, etc.

Problem is, it certainly Can affect services. The "I deserve" mentality takes over when you Can get away with charging more. It's not as simple (with everyone) as an uptick in rates. Why am I going to give you a BJ at my massage parlor? Because you threw down $60 for the HHR tip? Yeah, I've seen you before a good while back, and yeah, I know you're legit and have been to various places. But you think just an extra $10 on top of that will get one? Sorry dude, this ain't 2016. I don't have to go bobbing for balls to get some good $. Now, my attitude has changed, not just an uptick in prices. Even when I'm not battling any drug addiction. I'm riding high in the market. The market swayed a certain way, and us ladies know what's going on. Sally gets x-amount of $$ doing just-that? Shoot, I deserve that too. Game has changed, brah. Pony up!

That said, I think for escorts it's more of an uptick in prices. Obviously it's full-services, sans a few who will just do BJs for a SS. No mystery charge for each base to cover with potential limits on basic stuff, as seen with massages. And, with escorts, if they take aren't anti-attracted at all about you + take a liking to you when you see them multiple times and keep in touch, whatever uptick in pricing originally can come right back down to norm without stepping on any toes.

[Bismark]

Yikes. I get this and is why I don't go to strip clubs (minus when I'm in quebec. Then I go to all the strip clubs).

At Bismark its not the 30 dollars that is disincentive to me. Look at it this way. They jack up prices 20% for no reason and nothing gets better. Apply this to any other service you purchase. Would you still be ok with it? If xfinity did that to me today, I'd be an att customer. This isn't being cheap. Its the concept that an increase in value means an increase in quality of goods received. Otherwise where's the motivation to buy. We don't NEED to hobby. We do it because the services received are worth the amount we pay. I am simply posing that the value is no longer there for a majority of these girls. I am 150% willing to pay more for better service or, on a shallow level, a prettier girl (or, lord forbid, both). But the value, in my experience, simply isn't there. That being said I probably need to reread your post a few times and make sure I "get it". I'm not that old into hobbying so I have a limited pool of experience to draw from so the perspective is appreciated.

I also wonder if ancient Chinese folks debated this about the hen houses back then. Need to put the weed down for a bit. Rambling.

Well, prices tend to rise over time. I can't say I am happy about it but $30 one way or the other, most of the time, won't prevent me from seeing someone I want to see. That said, it will prevent me from seeing them as often as I might like and it wil put me in the market for another option.

I don't agree that the value isn't there because the price changed a little. The more the price changes, the less I'll feel that way. I was starting up pretty regular with a woman a few years ago and she jumped form 200 to 300 an hour. That stopped me cold with her. Had she jumped 25 or 30, I would have kept seeing her but started looking for someone else.

I do agree that prices are headed in an unfortunate direction and I believe it's due to simple supply and demand. Lots of gents are coming into the market and too few women are staying in the market. This is a certain recipe for price rise. The only way to fight it is to change the market to reduce demand or increase supply. None of the fellas here are here because they want to get laid less which will make it hard to reduce demand. I don't know how many pimp-wannabes are hanging about but I am guessing very few so it seems we are at the mercy of chance on increasing supply.

It is a difficult problem.

[LowKeyg]

I agree with you. Too often, I am a moron that pays too much. It's tough to walk away when they are so gorgeous. This forum helps identify the up sellers so that morons like me just stay away from them. The new girl at Mama Dees, Hope or whatever her name is now is the perfect example of extreme up seller. If you are weak like me, just stay away. She is so hot, but you have to insert more money for every little thing and get practically zilch in return.

Yikes. I get this and is why I don't go to strip clubs (minus when I'm in quebec. Then I go to all the strip clubs).

At Bismark its not the 30 dollars that is disincentive to me. Look at it this way. They jack up prices 20% for no reason and nothing gets better. Apply this to any other service you purchase. Would you still be ok with it? If xfinity did that to me today, I'd be an att customer. This isn't being cheap. Its the concept that an increase in value means an increase in quality of goods received. Otherwise where's the motivation to buy. We don't NEED to hobby. We do it because the services received are worth the amount we pay. I am simply posing that the value is no longer there for a majority of these girls. I am 150% willing to pay more for better service or, on a shallow level, a prettier girl (or, lord forbid, both). But the value, in my experience, simply isn't there. That being said I probably need to reread your post a few times and make sure I "get it". I'm not that old into hobbying so I have a limited pool of experience to draw from so the perspective is appreciated.

I also wonder if ancient Chinese folks debated this about the hen houses back then. Need to put the weed down for a bit. Rambling.

[Donntee]

I m with you no $$ for a HE. Pretty soon we will have the GH club. Gloden hand.

I agree with you. Too often, I am a moron that pays too much. It's tough to walk away when they are so gorgeous. This forum helps identify the up sellers so that morons like me just stay away from them. The new girl at Mama Dees, Hope or whatever her name is now is the perfect example of extreme up seller. If you are weak like me, just stay away. She is so hot, but you have to insert more money for every little thing and get practically zilch in return.

[Ford1275]

As long as we have morons paying $200 for a topless handjob this will be a problem.

I won't pay these high rates. Both escorts and massage are getting out of hand with rates.

And I agree BP going down took many girls out of the supply side so the few left are asking for more. But I'm sticking with the reasonable ones. Kamilla, Breezie for example who give great service for a reasonable rate. And a few girls at Pacific on the massage side of things.

I'll leave all the $200 handjobs for you big spenders! *sarcasm*.

I m with you no $$ for a HE. Pretty soon we will have the GH club. Gloden hand.

[Monger01]

As long as we have morons paying $200 for a topless handjob this will be a problem.

I won't pay these high rates. Both escorts and massage are getting out of hand with rates.

And I agree BP going down took many girls out of the supply side so the few left are asking for more. But I'm sticking with the reasonable ones. Kamilla, Breezie for example who give great service for a reasonable rate. And a few girls at Pacific on the massage side of things.

I'll leave all the $200 handjobs for you big spenders! *sarcasm*.

The solution is to do just what happened in 2008/2009 that brought prices down then; stop buying. I had a duo back in the day with sweet molly and katrina. It was 1. 5 hours and ran 650 which was about the going rate. In 2009, that same duo, before the two retired, would have been 400. The entire reason was that there were a lot fewer customers.

In my case, I walked when the person I'd just paid 150 (room rate plus tip) suggested I do it myself. I am still formulating the review; it's coming soon. The only part I am sure of is that I'll not go back and I'll not suggest anyone else do the same. It's a shame too because the girl is cute. But I can go to Perfect10 or Kamilia and, for 150, hit the roof a couple times in an hour. So long as we act in our own interest, the 200, topless, no roaming handy should be a rare bird.

[Bismark]

Yeah, $200/ hr for a massage for a handy-HE, you better be WOW looking (working her way up there I imagine has obtained that), are full nude, and doing a Full Hour (2 pop option), and letting you massage them too. I could see being swarmed in mutual full-nudity, erotically, for a Full Hour, with 2 pops being More Liked with a certain particular gal, than a hottie getting a 1-pop "hr" (that lasts half after initial friendly chit-chat).

I think the reason prices have gone Up is due to Backpage going away. Hurts them, but it makes less of a market altogether, too. They hear other gals are charging a little higher, they will too once they hit their customer # comfort zone. Too many customers to handle, since fewer girls filling up the spots to find them? More expensive.

The solution is to do just what happened in 2008/2009 that brought prices down then; stop buying. I had a duo back in the day with sweet molly and katrina. It was 1. 5 hours and ran 650 which was about the going rate. In 2009, that same duo, before the two retired, would have been 400. The entire reason was that there were a lot fewer customers.

In my case, I walked when the person I'd just paid 150 (room rate plus tip) suggested I do it myself. I am still formulating the review; it's coming soon. The only part I am sure of is that I'll not go back and I'll not suggest anyone else do the same. It's a shame too because the girl is cute. But I can go to Perfect10 or Kamilia and, for 150, hit the roof a couple times in an hour. So long as we act in our own interest, the 200, topless, no roaming handy should be a rare bird.

[Charlie441]

My thing is that if you are going to charge so much for your massage services w / a HE, then your run techniques better be damn good. Because if not then all you're paying for is an expensive ass handjob. She's not giving you no head or anything. And it aint like she some kind of porn star or anything. You have to earn your wage. I just talked with a chick from Dallas about shooting a fetish video with her. She charges $200/ Hr in her sessions. I've never paid anything that lucrative, but, if you look on her IG and other social media handles the girl has a neat fanbase. So I can understand the $200/ Hr because she put in her work to get there. Most of these girls just want a high wage just because they are women.

Yeah, $200/ hr for a massage for a handy-HE, you better be WOW looking (working her way up there I imagine has obtained that), are full nude, and doing a Full Hour (2 pop option), and letting you massage them too. I could see being swarmed in mutual full-nudity, erotically, for a Full Hour, with 2 pops being More Liked with a certain particular gal, than a hottie getting a 1-pop "hr" (that lasts half after initial friendly chit-chat).

I think the reason prices have gone Up is due to Backpage going away. Hurts them, but it makes less of a market altogether, too. They hear other gals are charging a little higher, they will too once they hit their customer # comfort zone. Too many customers to handle, since fewer girls filling up the spots to find them? More expensive.

[Jayce Dragon]

My thing is that if you are going to charge so much for your massage services w / a HE, then your run techniques better be damn good. Because if not then all you're paying for is an expensive ass handjob. She's not giving you no head or anything. And it aint like she some kind of porn star or anything. You have to earn your wage. I just talked with a chick from Dallas about shooting a fetish video with her. She charges $200/ Hr in her sessions. I've never paid anything that lucrative, but, if you look on her IG and other social media handles the girl has a neat fanbase. So I can understand the $200/ Hr because she put in her work to get there. Most of these girls just want a high wage just because they are women.

[Bismark]

Price seems to be steadily climbing and yet service level remains about the same if not worse unless you have a GTG. But I mean part of hobbying are the choices. Kamilia is awesome for me but sometimes I want a chocolate dessert. Common hr price quoted seems to be 180/ hr. I NEVER pay more than 150/ hr unless it's kamilia. And that is rare. When I first started hobbying here average was 120/ hr. And that was for a pretty solid 7 lineup (dunno if you guys saw Lacey when she was here).

Is it GPS. Is it inflation. Are some of you giving in to GPS? Maybe it's just me. I never do short stays because I'm not a one pump chump nor am I cheap but I know value and 150/ hr for a place like grand rapids better land you FS and most any extra you ask for. Is the crack rock (jk I know its heroin) really that good that these girls think ill pay 180 for an hour of them pretending and half assedly serving? Palmela Handerson is going to get a lot of mileage til the holidays I can tell.

A good economy floats all boats. The general economy has been pretty good since about 2012 and has heated up lately even more. As more money comes into leisure activities, the prices rise some. I suspect that a $30 difference given the product is not going to be much of a disincentive for most.

I remember a time not too long ago when it was typical for an hour to be 200 and really well respected providers were getting 300 or more an hour. While the days of the old boards are now long gone all the prices crashed after 2008, they'll be back up again soon enough most likely.

That said, I was told today by a massage girl that she wanted 120 for full nude (no touching) and that was a deal because she usually gets 200 and that an hour is really 29 minutes long and massage gals don't jack people off. The economy's not that good. There is definitely some GPS floating around.

[LowKeyg]

Price seems to be steadily climbing and yet service level remains about the same if not worse unless you have a GTG. But I mean part of hobbying are the choices. Kamilia is awesome for me but sometimes I want a chocolate dessert. Common hr price quoted seems to be 180/ hr. I NEVER pay more than 150/ hr unless it's kamilia. And that is rare. When I first started hobbying here average was 120/ hr. And that was for a pretty solid 7 lineup (dunno if you guys saw Lacey when she was here).

Is it GPS. Is it inflation. Are some of you giving in to GPS? Maybe it's just me. I never do short stays because I'm not a one pump chump nor am I cheap but I know value and 150/ hr for a place like grand rapids better land you FS and most any extra you ask for. Is the crack rock (jk I know its heroin) really that good that these girls think ill pay 180 for an hour of them pretending and half assedly serving? Palmela Handerson is going to get a lot of mileage til the holidays I can tell.

[ApsGuy]

Ok guys, I pulled the trigger I opened an account in SA I found a few girls that I know personally, I found a few BP and CL girls and the funny thing I found a cousin yeah I found a cousin LOL Man I don't know what to say of course I use a fake pic, I'll try to have a blind date with her and I'll fuck her cause she is pretty LOL.

Please report back if and when the Deed, Happens.

[Bismark]

Thanks to all who replied. I appreciate the feedback.

[Charlie441]

She wanted $100 for dress down to panties and over the panties roaming which I declined. I offered her $100 if she would lick my nipples (feel free to comment; I won't respond. It feels good to me). She declined.

What followed was a topless HE with over the clothes roaming downstairs. Normally, I would tip $60 for this but the massage was solid, the teasing excellent, and the HE outstanding so I went $80.

It wasn't worth $100 tip for a standard but great massage situation, even by a hottie. $60 is an upped amt, as it's usually $40 for the hour, by default. If the hottie wants her top off and you're Wow about her, yeah, $60 is pretty usual for a great experience we like. $80 tip? She kept her skirt on, gave you a standard HE. Her being hot doesn't constitute $100 instead. The standard "market price" for an hour tip is $60 for your situation with a topless hottie, IMO. You gave $80. Above market price, definitely. Her wanting $100 is ridiculous.

She offered to get down to her panties for $100, and she was only one step before that (topless, let you roam). $80 is one step below $100. So it is fitting. No, you don't owe her anything. You didn't go below market price, you went a bit above. You paid her in accordance with her offer you didn't take, based on what she provided.