Rants, Raves and Tinfoil Hat Conspiracy Theories

**ApplePiePussy** · 11-02-16 01:13

Originally Posted by DMichaels69 [View Original Post]

There was some talk about a lady up north who was legit. The report said after a very long time (sounded like more than a year) and over tipping extras were to be had. Another monger indicated he went many times, less than a year, over tipped and nothing happened. I would hazard to guess the only satisfaction in these situations are from the provider having rolled the monger for all the cash.

That's such a cynical view of things. These aren't robots performing an oil change. These are women with emotions and needs. I saw two legit therapists this week. Both are attractive, one in her 20's, the other in her 40's. I hit it off really well with both of them. If you need to qualify that in terms of whether or not they pulled my dick then that's fine. I understand the nature of the forum. I simply couldn't care less. The massages were top notch and I really enjoyed their company. If something happens down the road with one of them, great. If not, well that's fine too. Not everything needs to be so transactional.

**DMichaels69** · 11-01-16 16:58

There was some talk about a lady up north who was legit. The report said after a very long time (sounded like more than a year) and over tipping extras were to be had. Another monger indicated he went many times, less than a year, over tipped and nothing happened. I would hazard to guess the only satisfaction in these situations are from the provider having rolled the monger for all the cash.

Originally Posted by Chicag0 [View Original Post]

Until you have turned one, you can't know how satisfying it is. By then, you usually have more than a business relationship with them, they are also usually your friend to a point. Then when you consummate the act it is extra intimate and special. I so much prefer the time and cash investment. The only harm of never consummating it is you've gotten lots of good massages from someone you were interested in anyway. Not a bad thing.

Chi.

**Chicag0** · 11-01-16 16:02

Originally Posted by RonM [View Original Post]

When I go to my legit massage spa I know going in there won't be any extra play. When I want extra play after a massage I see those therapists because I know extra play will happen. I don't understand why some guys torture themselves going to a legit therapist multiple times trying to get extra play. Am I missing something?

Until you have turned one, you can't know how satisfying it is. By then, you usually have more than a business relationship with them, they are also usually your friend to a point. Then when you consummate the act it is extra intimate and special. I so much prefer the time and cash investment. The only harm of never consummating it is you've gotten lots of good massages from someone you were interested in anyway. Not a bad thing.

Chi.

**Lemeduyu** · 10-06-16 11:53

Originally Posted by MrSmartyPants [View Original Post]

I've seen the 28 year old girl in question several times, got ZERO feeling she was being forced to do anything. Unless she's a very very good actress. Sad to see this happen. Yes, probably they threw Anna under the bus to get off easier.

I have as well and I feel like I know Anna well enough and have had conversations with her. I used to ask how friendly a particular one would be and she would always answer that all I could do was ask the girl.

**MrSmartyPants** · 10-05-16 01:25

To the land of land of Tinfoil Hats.

**Castlerae** · 10-04-16 22:37

Originally Posted by SamSinger [View Original Post]

The article talks about these girls being in the country only for a short time. Do citizens of China need a visa to come to the USA? How about South Korea? Outside of trafficking crimes, are these people legally allowed to work in massage parlors? (I did not think so).

It is quite concerning to me. May be this is a pandora's box I should not be opening, but if this is the standard for traficking, then there is a whole bunch of AMPs that may be in trouble. And a lot of us may be supporting that which a lot of us said we would not.

A woman working in an AMP and doing 'extras' is already breaking the law, and if the manager knows they're offering more than just a massage (or is encouraging / forcing them to) then they are too. So do you honestly think the manager of an AMP is going to be asking if said woman has a work permit? Getting here is the cost of a plane ticket and the time to apply for a tourist visa. After they get here, then it's not hard to disappear into the grey economy of AMP's. Not many mongers are going to ask to see the provider's work permit, and most are not like Bob. They aren't terribly worried about how the woman came to be there as long as they get what they came for. Does this apply in this situation? I have never visited the establishments, so I can't say whether it does or not. I do know from talking to a few AMP workers that there are managers who force women to offer 'extras', so it's not impossible. As Bob suggests, go with your gut, not with the small head. If something about the woman doesn't feel right, ask if she'd rather not be there having sex with you. If she says she doesn't want to be doing that, do what you can to get her out. Worse comes to worse, find one of those few pay phones still in operation and call the cops. Busting women working of their own free will, I got no use for. Busting a place that forces women to do this is a public service.

**Sam Spade** · 10-04-16 16:59

Originally Posted by MrSmartyPants [View Original Post]

I've seen the 28 year old girl in question several times, got ZERO feeling she was being forced to do anything. Unless she's a very very good actress. Sad to see this happen. Yes, probably they threw Anna under the bus to get off easier.

I've been to two of the three locations, and was going to the one furthest south for 4 years. Never once did I run into an MT there (or anywhere for that matter) who seemed distressed at the prospect of servicing. They all knew what they were doing, especially when it came to taking the money. I have a feeling these two "trafficed" women where telling tails so they could get out of there situation.

**MrSmartyPants** · 10-04-16 16:33

Originally Posted by Bob521 [View Original Post]

I don't profess to be an expert. Here's what I think, however. To work, you need a work permit. You apply for one, based on a valid reason for being in the country. So you might apply for a work visa, or a student visa. Other people apply for a tourist visa and then ask for asylum. All of these are valid reasons to apply for a work permit. Therefore plenty (most?) workers have a valid reason to be in the country and are permitted to legally work. (And pay taxes).

My immediate reaction to the news story was "Not True". I have known Anna for some time. I just don't see it. My guess is that they caught a worker and decided to get her to testify against Anna in return for easy treatment. I am sure they are not being held against their will.

Finally, I would say this, if you meet someone and you are concerned about their welfare, then try to help her. Get her WeChat information, or any other reliable information. Keep tabs on her and make sure she is ok. If you have doubts, then get her out of there. Take her some place safe. She will tell you where to take her. The key is to give her control of her life. That means teach her English. Teach her to drive. Give her moral support so she can manage her challenges. Bob.

I've seen the 28 year old girl in question several times, got ZERO feeling she was being forced to do anything. Unless she's a very very good actress. Sad to see this happen. Yes, probably they threw Anna under the bus to get off easier.

**DMichaels69** · 10-04-16 16:13

Of all the AMP's I've gone to I never felt any of the workers were being forced to work there. Maybe some are in a desperate situation and there is nothing else they can do so the owners take advantage of them. Just my 1. 5 cents.

Originally Posted by Bob521 [View Original Post]

I don't profess to be an expert. Here's what I think, however. To work, you need a work permit. You apply for one, based on a valid reason for being in the country. So you might apply for a work visa, or a student visa. Other people apply for a tourist visa and then ask for asylum. All of these are valid reasons to apply for a work permit. Therefore plenty (most?) workers have a valid reason to be in the country and are permitted to legally work. (And pay taxes).

My immediate reaction to the news story was "Not True". I have known Anna for some time. I just don't see it. My guess is that they caught a worker and decided to get her to testify against Anna in return for easy treatment. I am sure they are not being held against their will.

Finally, I would say this, if you meet someone and you are concerned about their welfare, then try to help her. Get her WeChat information, or any other reliable information. Keep tabs on her and make sure she is ok. If you have doubts, then get her out of there. Take her some place safe. She will tell you where to take her. The key is to give her control of her life. That means teach her English. Teach her to drive. Give her moral support so she can manage her challenges. Bob.

**HeadFirst80** · 10-04-16 08:08

Originally Posted by SamSinger [View Original Post]

The article talks about these girls being in the country only for a short time. Do citizens of China need a visa to come to the USA? How about South Korea? Outside of trafficking crimes, are these people legally allowed to work in massage parlors? (I did not think so).

It is quite concerning to me. May be this is a pandora's box I should not be opening, but if this is the standard for traficking, then there is a whole bunch of AMPs that may be in trouble. And a lot of us may be supporting that which a lot of us said we would not.

You do need a visa to come to USA from both of these places. But lets face it, many people try to (and succeed to) enter without any paper work. Or come with visitor visa and over stay to work loosing their status. It is not hard to find these people or manipulate them.

**Bob521** · 10-04-16 01:39

I don't profess to be an expert. Here's what I think, however. To work, you need a work permit. You apply for one, based on a valid reason for being in the country. So you might apply for a work visa, or a student visa. Other people apply for a tourist visa and then ask for asylum. All of these are valid reasons to apply for a work permit. Therefore plenty (most?) workers have a valid reason to be in the country and are permitted to legally work. (And pay taxes).

My immediate reaction to the news story was "Not True". I have known Anna for some time. I just don't see it. My guess is that they caught a worker and decided to get her to testify against Anna in return for easy treatment. I am sure they are not being held against their will.

Finally, I would say this, if you meet someone and you are concerned about their welfare, then try to help her. Get her WeChat information, or any other reliable information. Keep tabs on her and make sure she is ok. If you have doubts, then get her out of there. Take her some place safe. She will tell you where to take her. The key is to give her control of her life. That means teach her English. Teach her to drive. Give her moral support so she can manage her challenges. Bob.

Originally Posted by SamSinger [View Original Post]

The article talks about these girls being in the country only for a short time. Do citizens of China need a visa to come to the USA? How about South Korea? Outside of trafficking crimes, are these people legally allowed to work in massage parlors? (I did not think so).

It is quite concerning to me. May be this is a pandora's box I should not be opening, but if this is the standard for traficking, then there is a whole bunch of AMPs that may be in trouble. And a lot of us may be supporting that which a lot of us said we would not.

**Sam Singer** · 10-04-16 00:35

Originally Posted by AlMelrose [View Original Post]

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/2...ews/161009731/

MMS busted for trafficking.

The article talks about these girls being in the country only for a short time. Do citizens of China need a visa to come to the USA? How about South Korea? Outside of trafficking crimes, are these people legally allowed to work in massage parlors? (I did not think so).

It is quite concerning to me. May be this is a pandora's box I should not be opening, but if this is the standard for traficking, then there is a whole bunch of AMPs that may be in trouble. And a lot of us may be supporting that which a lot of us said we would not.

**Al Melrose** · 10-03-16 17:54

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/2...ews/161009731/

MMS busted for trafficking.

**Genghis2** · 09-28-16 13:18

I don't know what they are doing, or are going to do in Chicago, but I can tell you for sure what is happening in Hollywood Fl. The plate readers read your car License and then count the number of times you pass through the area (sort of like the 47th st drive). After a certain number of times,(undisclosed number) your plate number with car description and owner info is broadcast to all units in the area, who then send one or more undercover cars to follow you with the intent of catching you do something illegal. If you are from out of state, they will usually give you a warning and try to scare you into not driving aimlessly around the stroll. This has been verified, both by speaking to LEO and also first hand experience. Now in fairness, there are signs as you enter the city telling you that you are under surveillance, and that there is a no tolerance policy for any illicit activity. The village fathers are trying to clean up and improve property values in the city. I mean for sure, who wants druggies and their handlers walking back and forth past your house, doing their deeds in your backyard etc. Not to mention the added traffic it brings. How this would work out in a large city like Chicago, I couldn't say, but they have been doing it for a few years now down south with the particular area in mention almost completely void of SW activity as a result. Isn't technology wonderful?

G2.

**HeadFirst80** · 09-12-16 08:40

Originally Posted by Datsurman [View Original Post]

There is nothing on earth that compares to FKK clubs.

Picture a high end nightclub. Attach a restaurant. Attach a luxury spa. Attach 20 hotel suites with mirrored walls and ceilings. Now imagine the nightclub is packed with beautiful women. Now imagine that all these beautiful women are naked. If you want to, you can spend the day chatting with the naked women and go home. Or you can have as much sex as you can manage. Whenever. Wherever. Until you either run out of energy or run out of money. (And I am not talking about skanks who use silicone and makeup to try to pass for beautiful. I mean naturally beautiful Euro girls).

There is no lineup. It's just like a nightclub. Whenever you see someone you like. You go talk to them. The difference is that there is almost no chance of getting rejected.

I agree 100%. But as A2 pointed out, may be these discussions belong on different site.