Baltimore Mongering Basics - for Newbies

[Baltimonger]

Everybody draw him a map of your favorite SW hiding places.

[Smiling Fox]

http://www.google.com/maps/ms?q=Bal...1264f226918559b

[Giani]

Monger's on another board pointed out that RTFF means Read the FRIENDLY Forum--just so newbies don't take offense... On the other hand...

I posted a monger's map of Cincinnati which I put together a while ago, but have never seen one for Balmer. (And I usually keep a lecherous eye on the Photo Gallery. As someone familiar with Balmer, I would be interested to see your monger's map if anyone has one or knows of one. Here is Cincy's:

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/at...chmentid=40011

Finally--Capone (Big Head in Italian), be sure to make information containing posts to the board. While we understand that newbies have lots of questions, you earn points with rich, observational posts. To have a maiden voyage on the forum with requests only for information may make that first F in RTFF less friendly.

Big Red--did you mean "flag" or "flame?"

Giani

Hello Capone

All you have to do is use the search function and RTFF Read The Fucking Forum. Or you could RTFF and read the street names and buy an ADC map. Members put alot of time posting good intel and info, just use a little effort to find it.

Since my mentor and Dutch Uncle Bench is out of town, I had to carry the flag.

You are welcome

Big Red

[Big Red50]

There was a dude who posted a link to a map for the sw spots.

I was wondering if someone could repost that.

Hello Capone

All you have to do is use the search function and RTFF Read The Fucking Forum. Or you could RTFF and read the street names and buy an ADC map. Members put alot of time posting good intel and info, just use a little effort to find it.

Since my mentor and Dutch Uncle Bench is out of town, I had to carry the flag.

You are welcome

Big Red

[Capone4265]

There was a dude who posted a link to a map for the sw spots.

I was wondering if someone could repost that.

[Bad Bad Boy]

I want to welcome our many new members and to offer a few suggestions for making your experience here a productive and pleasant one. How you conduct yourself will have a direct bearing on your acceptance and access to some privileged information.

The most common mistake new members make is NOT doing their homework first. Some make the mistake by starting off asking a bunch of questions or otherwise being a pain-in-the-ass without first and most importantly reading the Forum, contributing useful information, and establishing your credibility. You will NOT be appreciated if you make this mistake.

You need to read Jackson’s (Forum Administrator) rules of conduct, posting guidelines, FAQ’s, Forum layout, etc. He doesn’t have many rules, but we must follow them. Failure to do so could result in you being banned and/or your posts deleted. Learn how to use the search function, PM other members, submit photos, and the abbreviations.

Most of your questions will be answered in our General or Streetwalker threads, or in the other threads such as MP, strip clubs, and escort services. You should go back and read the past 6 month’s posts to get a feel as to what is going on. Our General thread will give you up-to-date happenings on the various loops, providers and their performance, LE presence and tactics, providers to avoid, and other useful information.

You should also read the Basic Mongering Guide which our members went to a lot of trouble to write for YOUR benefit. The Guide (this thread) contains extremely useful information and tips on how to monger and stay safe, maps of the various strolls, LE surveillance techniques, SW rates, and much, much more. It makes no difference if you have been mongering for years, you can still glean helpful information.

Not every member, his "cyber" personality, nor his writing style will appeal to you - just like in real life. Try to be tolerant of others and they will be tolerant of you. Keep your eye on the ball: we are here to find women for sex, to share information, be supportive of each other, and have some fun in the process.

Fights on the board cause considerable disruption and have a chilling affect on others who want to post. It’s all about playing nicely, being respectful, and observing Jackson’s rules. You have several options to consider if you encounter problems: ignore the post(s) rather than be baited into a confrontation, or try to resolve it privately via PM rather than on the public board, or use the Ignore button and you won’t see the member’s annoying posts, or notify the Administrator and let him handle the situation.

After you have established yourself on the board and members feel comfortable with you, you will find everyone more willing to answer your questions and provide you with more specific information via PM that we would not post on the General board.

The Baltimore Forum is the most active and informative board in the USA Sex Guide. Translation - we’re the best! Our members have a wealth of mongering experience and are willing to share this information with you, but you first must do your homework and establish yourself.

Good luck, BBB

[Bad Bad Boy]

22 Rules for SW Mongering by Wolfgang in Minnesota and reposted by Trav Pokerman:

1. IS SHE? - It ain't like in the movies -They wear ordinary clothes, and are just walking alone, with no bags, or maybe making a phone call at a pay phone (but if you checked, there's no one on the line). Believe it or not, a girl walking alone and without shopping bags on a hobbyist street is almost always a SW.

2. If you aren't sure, come back in a few minutes. Non-pros who happen to be walking are going somewhere, which isn't up and down the same stretch of road. And on hobbyist streets, the local women tend to avoid looking like they might be in business, unless they are!

3. If she is watching traffic, she's probably a SW.

4. If she makes eye contact with you, she's probably a SW.

5. If she then smiles at you, she is a SW. After all, you're just some dude driving by.

6. If she's with a "boyfriend", who disappears when you come around again, he's pimping her. Be careful! Don't unlock the door until she's ready to get in, with him nowhere to be seen! If you follow these rules, you're in control of the situation.

7. THE PICKUP - Pull over at the next parking lot, or around the next corner and park nearby. If you're sure she saw you - smile back at her, dummy! - then feel free to pull further down the block, so it's not so easily observed by LE. She'll casually turn down your block, walk past - and then suddenly walk up to see if you're letting her in. Keep eye contact, keep smiling - invite her in.

8. Lock the other doors! You're in a crime-filled neighborhood!

9. AVOIDING LE STINGS - Do not EVER EVER EVER discuss anything with a girl who isn't seated in your car, except to offer her a ride. THAT'S ALL YOU'RE DOING! IT'S LEGAL! Just being a nice guy... On every board I've seen, LE always tries to make the bust without the F LE risking her ass by getting in. READ THIS RULE AGAIN! IT'S IMPORTANT!

10. This is the perfect time for LE to pull you over for rolling through a stop sign, just to harass your ass. Drive like a preacher! It's an effective way of intimidating we hobbyists, and they'll use any opportunity if they're watching.

11. Make a turn or two before discussing $$, just in case. Watch your rear view - you can bet she will, too! I've never heard of LE getting in the car, with a follower, but better safe than sorry. A known LE trick - she doesn't get in, but directs you to meet her around the corner. Guess who's waiting there, instead of her? If she doesn't get in right away, move on!

12. AVOIDING SCAMS - If you do a car date, and you let her pick the spot (she'll try to direct you), be aware that she may be setting you up for a robbery. Don't settle for her spot - or at least, force her to come up with a second choice. Her boyfriend can't be in two places at once.

13. If you go back to a hotel, and she picked it, be aware that this could be a setup for cash&dash, or her pimp busting in & robbing you.

14. If you go back to her place - are you mad? The "boyfriend busting in mad, waving a gun" scam probably happens a lot - since the victims won't report the robbery, they get by with it, even though the victims know where the robbers are staying!

15. If you go back to your hotel, um, have fun! (OK, that's not a rule. If you go back to your hotel, be discreet so the mgmt doesn't call LE on you.)

16. If you go back to your house - are you really ok with a potentially-addicted SW knowing where you live?

17. WALLET - Do not leave your wallet within her reach. If you think you know a clever spot to hide it, remember that 100's of others have thought of it, too. While you're distracted, her free hand can be working...

18. MONEY - Do not have more in your pocket than you want to spend. She (and your dick) will talk it out of you. If she's really worth an extra few dollars, you can go get it (out of the trunk, the ATM, your other pocket, whatever). Current street rates are 20 for BJ, 40-50 for FS, and you can tip later if you think it's worth it. Remember, it isn't worth it just because you came. She'll always demand a tip, if she thinks it's coming. Many will claim they "usually charge more" - the word on this board is: they don't. But, hey, some of these girls are hard-working, quality-driven providers, even though they're SW (really - I mean it!), and they deserve a break.

19. HUNTING HOURS: They're out at all times, in most weather. I've heard of them walking as early as 4:30am, and well past midnight. They work the lunch hours for guys on lunch, afternoons for guys on early shifts, mornings for guys who'll be late for work, and all through the evening and night. If it's lightly raining, there will be less, but there will be some. Most of these girls are drug addicts; their addiction doesn't have a "M-F, excluding legal holidays" schedule.

20. CFS!!! Carry a condom. Usually, they don't have one (which I think is so fuc*ing stupid, but then, if they had a clue they wouldn't be SW-ing). You don't want to be tempted to skip the cover because that pussy is so fine.

And the freebie: Every time some SW claims "I'm the best! I'm worth more", it really means, "I'm a lame-ass lying lazy talent less junkie!" The good ones don't have to brag; they'll get your return business.

21. Don't let her use your cellphone. It's a very common request. She'll call her friend, or her own phone, and that will give her access to your # - which might set you up for unexpected & inopportune calls for business or bail money.

22. Be friendly. As has been noted in other threads, these are people with feelings, not just automaton sex dispensers. If you're friendly, chatty, and warm, she'll open up, relax, and probably be more generous with her service, in all the little ways that matter most. Remember, if she's never hooked up with you before, she's worried that you might be either LE, or some psycho SW-stalker.

23. THE PRETTIER she is , more likely she's LEO. Also LEO has used SW's and Mongers (get us 4-5 guys/girls for arrest and you don't go to jail) to "entice" others into a deal, take her or meet up and the All LEO Party awaits.

Thus read rule #14 and follow it always!

BBB

[Trav Pokerman]

Where in Baltimore can you get a great nude lap dance?

If you have lots of cash, The Block works for that (as well as many other things).

[Jgold]

Where in Baltimore can you get a great nude lap dance?

[Hlthyguy30]

So I took some collated wisdom and put it together and came up with this. Noobs, edit it to your hearts' (and other parts') content. I need better maps, though; I'll probably redo the whole thing after the weather gets warmer!

[Benchseats Rock]

Not all Noobies are hopeless...

Here is a nice AMP checklist for the uninitiated posted in Marland General Topics by Liquor I hardly ever Know her.... Not a bad list to go over if the AMP thing is in your horizons.

I learned of a new-to-me AMP from this board two days ago and visited it today with great success. As a brand new satisfied member, I wanted to give something back and say “thank you” to the forum members, and especially to others who will be trying AMPs for the first time.

The following suggestions will increase your satisfaction with any first time experience at an AMP. Mostly they are common sense, and many of the ideas are scattered through some previous posts on the board. But here they are all together in one place.

1. Read the entire forum back to front. Then read it again. Don’t waste your time (or members time) asking nosy private questions. Almost anything you need to know about an AMP should be contained in the current board and the archived posts. You will learn the typical process that a specific AMP uses, the typical house fee and tips, and the names and descriptions of the girls. You can typically find the location and contact information also. READ EVERYTHING HERE FIRST.

2. Review all posts regarding the various employees and their different techniques and attributes, then select the lady whom you might like to meet on your first visit. Then select a couple backup providers incase yours is unavailable.

3. Try and learn the name of a lady that recently worked there, but no longer does.

4. Clean up and prepare. Shave, shower, comb your hair neatly and be well groomed so that you make a good first impression. They will probably be less apprehensive about your unfamiliarity this way.

5. CALL FOR AN APPOINTMENT. Don’t just walk in. Try this -- “Hello, this is Bob! I want to make a ANOTHER one-hour appointment with TRIXIE (the girl you know who no longer works there)” Wait for the Mamasan to tell you Trixie no longer works there, then reply “Oh! OK. Then I’d like my appointment to be with SUE (the name of your #1 choice)”. If she’s NOT working that day, use the name of girl #2 and so on. By using the name of the former girl – you make yourself a repeat customer to her. This is great since they cannot verify with Trixie whether this is true. You are now a repeat client named Bob.

6. Show up 10-15 minutes BEFORE your appointment. Often the AMPs are busy. Better to wait for YOUR girl, than take whoever is available! If she just began an appointment, then select your 2nd choice girl (memorize the names before you enter).

7. When greeted at the door, say “I’m Bob. I called for the one hour appointment with Sue.” You will probably get to mention again that you had not been there since the last time with Trixie.

8. Remember everything you have read about the layout so you are not walking in blind.

9. When you get to your room, begin casually undressing and hanging your clothes.

10. Hand her the correct house fee (do NOT ask the price). Do this BEFORE she asks you for it.

11. Put the appropriate tip for the services you are expecting to receive on the table while she’s watching.

12. During massage and shower, let her know what you like, and when she does something right or good, moan or state your appreciation. Quietly and politely ask if you want something a bit different.

13. When you return to the room for massage, TELL HER the massage style you want. If she does NOT undress, ask her to do it (quietly and not timidly). Don’t be loud enough that anyone else can hear.

14. If there are others of her methods you are interested in trying (ones specifically listed for her in the forum posts) – then ask her quietly for them. Speak clearly and use motions and point or do whatever you need to do to help her understand your request.

15. Ask for your special situation once again if it is not forthcoming. Be sure to smile or laugh or wink like you’ve done it that way before with Trixie.

16. Compliment her when she does things well, in ways you like. Treat her courteously, and thank her for treating you well when she does.

17. When you’re finished… tell her the tip you left out on the table is hers. Thank her for the job she did and mention “I’m looking forward to next time”.

18. If there was something left out because she didn’t know you very well, say “…and next time we will get to _________”.

Modify these suggestions to fit your needs. They should work for anyone with brains and savvy.

[Giani]

Big Bad Boy suggested that I should post these rules on the "Mongering Basics" board. Happy to do so--I did not know it existed, and wouldn't all of us have benefited when we first began this hobby if we had read it! Here are the 13 rules of Mongering 101 which I posted on the General Baltimore board (as well as elsewhere). I have compiled them over the years drawing on the lessons taught on the street by my "educational" SW instructors. (My apologies to senior members for which theses would be "like... DUH...")

So here, for mongers still trying to keep their big head in the action are my thirteen Mongering 101 rules :

1) Only carry as much $$ as you are willing to lose in a monger's wallet with nothing but a little cash and a condom or two. I always stash my actual wallet with credit cards, driver's license and extra cash in a separate hidden spot.

2) Be VERY cautious if the "SW" on the street looks TOO good i.e., in Cincinnati, they DON'T dress in stilettos, leopard prints, or other obvious hooker outfits. It smells of a sting.

3) Do not call attention to yourself by making a show out of the stop (no U turns, no flagrant traffic moves). Pull onto the next side street and let her come to you. Alternatively, go smoothly around the block, having caught her eye.

4) When you pull up, be willing to drive away immediately if your close-up impression of her through the window is not good. (Sores, too thin, wired, dirty & stinky, sullen or "dead" eyes? SWs are NEVER as good as your first impression driving by...) Tell her sorry, you thought she was someone else.

5) Ask her if she needs a ride. She should immediately say "Yes" and hop right into the car. Do NOT negotiate through the window. The monger's acid test is that stinging decoys who are LE will NOT get into the car. I have heard rumors that LE will blackmail SWs into serving as decoys who WILL get into the car. However, I do not have definitive data on this.) If she insists on negotiating through the window, tell her you thought she was someone else, a friend, and split. Watch out for tailing LE.

6) Once she is in the car, get a feel of her bare breasts to be SURE she isn't LE. She may grab your crotch to ensure that you aren't LE. Then get a crystal clear understanding of exactly what you want (covered or no, catch or no, swallow or no, FS (SHE should insist on covered), etc) and for exactly how much (plus tip if satisfied). Extensive bargaining is a warning flag of a troublesome SW, and another reason to turn her out. And--immediately get the hell out of the pick up neighborhood--I was once stopped by LE because he recognized the SW I had in the car.

7) Go to YOUR location unless given a good reason not to. HER location may include a male friend of hers who will rip you off. If she refuses your spot, you have another reason to turn her out. For FS (do we have to say) ALWAYS cover up. If she offers barebacked FS, decline the service of be VERY cautious.

8) NEVER give up the $ before you are finished. You can pay a small token front, but NEVER the whole amount. If she refuses, then "thanks but no thanks." Once she has your money, it is problematic to turn her out. This includes (as we have often been asked) request for front money so they can buy some "butter." Money in their hand may mean you will never get into their bush...

9) The use of drugs is also a problem, but try to read what it might be. Crack (butter) leaves them still cogent, able to reason, may make them even make more enthusiastic and not totally out of it, in my experience. Heroin (dog food) addiction on the other hand leads to dangerous situations. Crack (in my experience) creates a dependancy, but not the kind of withdrawal that becomes a potentially violent emergency for them. If they seem REALLY drugged up, another reason to turn them out. The difficult truth is that the vast majority of SWs do so to support some habit.

10) Do not let outside people get involved. No answering doors, no second girls, no nothing. You are asking for serious problems.

11) If confronted with a dangerous situation, do not get hostile or seriously argumentative. Tempers flair quickly, to what extent, you may not want to learn. GIVE IT UP. After all, you stashed your wallet and extra $$ elsewhere, right?

12) If you ARE ripped off, publicize the hell out of it on this board with as much descriptive detail as you can. Educate the rest of us about what mistakes you might not make again. Give a detailed description of the SW, exactly where, when, how you connected. Got pictures?

13) Finally, try to get to know those SWs who ARE dependable. They can, and often are willing to advise you about dangerous, HIV positive or drugged out SWs. Remember however, even long-time dependable SWs should not have too much temptation placed in front of them--even they can "grab and run."

Stay safe--even if the thrill of the hunt is part of the deal, stay safe...

Giani

[Bad Bad Boy]

I was looking at one of the other boards and came across this post of what happened to another monger (Forth Ryte) in NYC. It is really some good information and something to keep in mind should you ever get caught in this situation.

Here is his story (post):

I have not posted here for a while but I wanted to check in and tell you guys about somethings that happened in NYC.

There were reports earlier this year involving mongers getting stopped by LE. One or two had a girl in the car, one or two were just circling. These guys were not caught actually DOING anything but LE knew damn well what was up. To intimidate and hassle the monger, these mongers were handed summonses for things that could not possibly stand up in court. But LE knows the guy was still obligated to go to court.

I was one of those guys. Now that my story is over, I can tell my tale with the end results.

I was was handed a summons by "New York's finest" charging me with "intentionally obstructing vehicular traffic." Late one night on a deserted street, I pulled over to talk to a SW. I did nothing, did not pick her up, said nothing incriminating and drove away. Half a block later I saw flashing lights in my rear view mirror. They pulled me over and tried to get me to admit that I was trying to solicit the SW. Rule number 1 is NEVER admit to anything. They had no proof I had done anything wrong so they spent about 20 minutes in their squad car deciding what to do. Maybe the SW was really an undercover LE and they went back to listen to the tape. If so, they found I had said nothing about sex or money. Anyway, they got pissed that they hadn't nailed me for soliciting and wrote me up for "disorderly conduct" citing the section of the New York Penal Law that makes it a violation (not even misdemeanor) for intenionally obstructing vehicular traffic. Pretty hard to obstruct vehicular traffic on a deserted street. But, hey, they wanted to teach me a lesson and scare me off.

I went to court to answer the summons. I pleaded not guilty and told the judge what happened (I said, truthfully, that I had stopped to talk to a person on the sidewalk but told him that the street was otherwise deserted). It took less than a minute for the judge to get the point that there was no way I had violated the law. He offered me an ACD (adjournment in contemplation of dismissal -- which would leave me with no record in a few months). I turned that offer down and said I'd rather go to trial and have the police officer come into court and commit perjury. So he dismissed the summons right then and there.

This sounds like justice at first. But it was NYPD tryanny. They were pissed that I was not caught doing anything illegal so they figured they'd teach me a lesson.

That's the story.

My reasons for posting this here was in to add contrast to another post about a similar thing that happened in Philly but with different results. See http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/s...&postcount=1379

Be careful out there, keep your wits about you if you get stopped, admit nothing. But if you DO get a summons, don't just roll over and assume there is nothing you can do.

Forth Ryte

I really appreciated Forth Ryte taking the time to share what happened to him in NYC.

BBB

[Big Red50]

Why are you still constantly bashing me man? Do you always have to do that to make you feel good about yourself?

I dont get it??

What makes me feel good about myself is my family and friends, not bashing noobs.

In short - you pissed me off - I'm offended by your pejorative use of the term "gay" - Only LL gets to call me Box Springs Rock - Your insinuation that you could have, should have and will be coming to the RT based on your reporting contributions, your attitude that the world and this sport both revolve around money and though that may be the rule, it's your refusal to see the exceptions that are out there and more often than you think - that you caught a STD from someone and didn't post a warning about the provider - you could have done it with a mass pm even, but no warning at all - overall I would call it a general lack of respect - but mostly, it's just your turn. Noobs get picked on - how they handle it determines what kind of senior they'll be.

Benchseats Rock

Thats Right Bench.

Hey Noobs: I have been flamed and by yours truly. I did not post comment after comment about being flamed and why its not right , not my fault, not fair. I learned from it, changed the thing that got me flamed and acted like a mature individual. That earned me the respect of some senior members. I am now a friend of Benchseats Rock. Scroll down and look at Robux's post "noobs listen up!" on how to fit in and conduct yourself on this board, best advice I have found here. It should be pre-requisite reading for becoming a member.

If you can't admit to mistakes you make, mistakes obvious to other people, this forum can't help you because you already know everything. The only people that do not make mistakes are people that don't do any thing. Make a mistake on this forum, learn from it, make the same mistake twice:

Look Out
Incoming
Flame On

What is that familiar napalm burning smell?

What does not kill me really does make me stronger!

Noob forever:

Big Red

[Benchseats Rock]

Why are you still constantly bashing me man? Do you always have to do that to make you feel good about yourself?

I dont get it??

What makes me feel good about myself is my family and friends, not bashing noobs.

In short - you pissed me off - I'm offended by your pejorative use of the term "gay" - Only LL gets to call me Box Springs Rock - Your insinuation that you could have, should have and will be coming to the RT based on your reporting contributions, your attitude that the world and this sport both revolve around money and though that may be the rule, it's your refusal to see the exceptions that are out there and more often than you think - that you caught a STD from someone and didn't post a warning about the provider - you could have done it with a mass pm even, but no warning at all - overall I would call it a general lack of respect - but mostly, it's just your turn. Noobs get picked on - how they handle it determines what kind of senior they'll be.

Benchseats Rock