Baltimore Mongering Basics - for Newbies

**Giani** · 09-12-08 16:54

LG: Good question. TS has made some excellent points in his reply which I will not dwell on. BTW, as I understand it, the only way you can actually be busted (except when you discuss sex for money with a stinger...) is to be caught in a sexual act. (Anyone know different?) But you can be hassled like crazy for just having her in the car...

1) Do not make multiple cycles through your SW zone. LE keeps track of cars and license plates they see cruising.
2) Yes, leave the area *immediately*, driving like a saint. TS is correct about having the SW slouch way down. I have been stopped twice merely for having an SW known to LE in my car.
3) Yes, watch VERY carefully in the rear view mirror for any car that makes ALL of your turns. Pull into a fast food joint if you ARE being followed. You are only taking her out for a bite.
4) Another reason not to go to her spot is that she may have a guy waiting to relieve you of your stuff.
5) Avoid dead end streets. Even tho they have very low traffic, you can easily get blocked in by some one meaning no good.
6) Besides one way streets, look for secluded parking lots with trees around, park at the far corner where traffic will not venture. Back into the space so that you can watch for approaching cars or people.
7) Parking garages are very good if you follow the same guidelines for parking lots. Hospitals sometimes have free lots. Look out for surveillance cameras.
8) Learn the SWs full name. If stopped by LE, remember you are only taking her to get a bite. They will ask you what her name is. If you don't know it, you are in for a bigger hassle. I got off once because I DID know her full name.

Safe mongering,
Giani

Originally Posted by Love Guru

Giani,

Wonderful post. I am new and this is my first post. I have trouble getting car spots for action. What are the chances that LE follow you and caught during the action in parked car. Could you please post guidelines for newbie like me?
Thanks in advance

**Love Guru** · 09-11-08 21:13

Giani,

Wonderful post. I am new and this is my first post. I have trouble getting car spots for action. What are the chances that LE follow you and caught during the action in parked car. Could you please post guidelines for newbie like me?
Thanks in advance

Originally Posted by Giani

Just to pile onto the stack of mongering rules being posted (where were they when *I* started mongering). I have posted versions of this previously. I like some of the nuances of TS, and have incorporated them in below:

1) Keep a separate "monger's wallet" with only as much $$ as you are willing to lose and a condom or two. Stash your actual wallet with credit cards, driver's license and extra cash in a separate hidden spot.

2) Be VERY cautious if the "SW" on the street looks TOO good i.e., usually they DON'T dress in stilettos, leopard prints, or other obvious hooker outfits. It smells of a sting or a TV.

3) Do not call attention to yourself by making a show out of the stop (no U turns, no flagrant traffic moves). Pull off onto the next side street, turn off the engine, foot off the brakes. Let her come to you. Alternatively, go smoothly around the block, having caught her eye. Yes, do not pick up if a possible LE car is following you...

4) When you pull up, be willing to drive away immediately if your close-up impression of her through the window is not good. (Sores, too thin, wired, dirty & stinky, sullen or "dead" eyes? SWs are NEVER as good as your first impression driving by at a distance...) Tell her you are sorry, you thought she was someone else.

5) If she passes first inspection, ask her if she needs a ride. She should immediately say "Yes" and hop right into the car. Under no circumstances negotiate through the window. The monger's acid test is that stinging decoys will NOT get into the car. (Caution: I have heard rumors that LE will blackmail SWs into serving as decoys who WILL get into the car. However, I do not have definitive data on this.) If she insists on negotiating through the window, tell her you thought she was someone else, a friend, and split. Watch out for tailing LE.

6) Once she is in the car, *immediately* leave the "combat zone." Mongers DO get stopped by LE because a recognized SW is in the car. The test: get a feel of her bare breasts to be SURE she isn't LE. She may grab your crotch to ensure that you aren't LE. Then get a crystal clear understanding of exactly what you want (covered or no, catch or no, swallow or no, FS (SHE should insist on covered), etc) and for exactly how much (plus tip if satisfied). Extensive bargaining is a warning flag of a troublesome SW, and another reason to turn her out.

7) Go to YOUR location unless she has a good reason not to. HER location may include a male friend of hers who will rip you off. If she refuses your spot, you have another reason to turn her out. For FS (do we have to say) ALWAYS cover up. If she offers barebacked FS, DO NOT GO THERE!

8) NEVER give up the $ before you are finished. You can pay a *small* token front, but NEVER the whole amount. This includes (as we have often been asked) request for front money so they can buy some "butter." If she refuses, then again, tell her "thanks but no thanks." Once she has your money, she is in control. Money in her hand may mean you will never get into ther bush...

9) The use of drugs is a problem, but try to read what it might be. Crack (butter) leaves them still cogent, able to reason, may make them even make more enthusiastic and not totally out of it, in the experience of many mongers. Crack creates a dependancy, but not the kind of withdrawal that becomes a potentially violent emergency for them. Heroin (dog food) addiction on the other hand leads to dangerous situations. If they seem REALLY drugged up, you should not have let them in the car. The difficult truth is that the vast majority of SWs do so to support some habit.

10) Do not let outside people get involved. No answering doors, no second girls, no nothing. You are asking for serious problems.

11) If confronted with a dangerous situation, do not get hostile or seriously argumentative. Tempers flair quickly, to what extent, you may not want to learn. GIVE IT UP. After all, you stashed your wallet and extra $$ elsewhere, right?

12) If you ARE ripped off, publicize the hell out of it on this board with as much descriptive detail as you can. Educate the rest of us about what mistakes you would not make again. Give a detailed description of the SW, exactly where, when, how you connected. Got pictures?

13) Finally, try to get to know those SWs who ARE dependable. They can, and often are willing to advise you about dangerous, HIV positive or drugged out SWs. But remember however, even long-time dependable SWs should not have too much temptation placed in front of them--even they can "grab and run."

Stay safe--even if the thrill of the hunt is part of the deal, stay safe...

Giani

**Oriole Mon** · 09-02-08 10:39

Never pull your keys out of the ignnition when conducting a car day. Further, never put them in the position where they are easily pulled out either. If you must turn your car off, put them in the aux position (where the radio and windows still work) this way a SW will have a more difficult time pulling them out and holding them for ransom. This is a game, you do not want to play.

Oriole

**Giani** · 08-03-08 12:45

Just to pile onto the stack of mongering rules being posted (where were they when *I* started mongering). I have posted versions of this previously. I like some of the nuances of TS, and have incorporated them in below:

1) Keep a separate "monger's wallet" with only as much $$ as you are willing to lose and a condom or two. Stash your actual wallet with credit cards, driver's license and extra cash in a separate hidden spot.

2) Be VERY cautious if the "SW" on the street looks TOO good i.e., usually they DON'T dress in stilettos, leopard prints, or other obvious hooker outfits. It smells of a sting or a TV.

3) Do not call attention to yourself by making a show out of the stop (no U turns, no flagrant traffic moves). Pull off onto the next side street, turn off the engine, foot off the brakes. Let her come to you. Alternatively, go smoothly around the block, having caught her eye. Yes, do not pick up if a possible LE car is following you...

4) When you pull up, be willing to drive away immediately if your close-up impression of her through the window is not good. (Sores, too thin, wired, dirty & stinky, sullen or "dead" eyes? SWs are NEVER as good as your first impression driving by at a distance...) Tell her you are sorry, you thought she was someone else.

5) If she passes first inspection, ask her if she needs a ride. She should immediately say "Yes" and hop right into the car. Under no circumstances negotiate through the window. The monger's acid test is that stinging decoys will NOT get into the car. (Caution: I have heard rumors that LE will blackmail SWs into serving as decoys who WILL get into the car. However, I do not have definitive data on this.) If she insists on negotiating through the window, tell her you thought she was someone else, a friend, and split. Watch out for tailing LE.

6) Once she is in the car, *immediately* leave the "combat zone." Mongers DO get stopped by LE because a recognized SW is in the car. The test: get a feel of her bare breasts to be SURE she isn't LE. She may grab your crotch to ensure that you aren't LE. Then get a crystal clear understanding of exactly what you want (covered or no, catch or no, swallow or no, FS (SHE should insist on covered), etc) and for exactly how much (plus tip if satisfied). Extensive bargaining is a warning flag of a troublesome SW, and another reason to turn her out.

7) Go to YOUR location unless she has a good reason not to. HER location may include a male friend of hers who will rip you off. If she refuses your spot, you have another reason to turn her out. For FS (do we have to say) ALWAYS cover up. If she offers barebacked FS, DO NOT GO THERE!

8) NEVER give up the $ before you are finished. You can pay a *small* token front, but NEVER the whole amount. This includes (as we have often been asked) request for front money so they can buy some "butter." If she refuses, then again, tell her "thanks but no thanks." Once she has your money, she is in control. Money in her hand may mean you will never get into ther bush...

9) The use of drugs is a problem, but try to read what it might be. Crack (butter) leaves them still cogent, able to reason, may make them even make more enthusiastic and not totally out of it, in the experience of many mongers. Crack creates a dependancy, but not the kind of withdrawal that becomes a potentially violent emergency for them. Heroin (dog food) addiction on the other hand leads to dangerous situations. If they seem REALLY drugged up, you should not have let them in the car. The difficult truth is that the vast majority of SWs do so to support some habit.

10) Do not let outside people get involved. No answering doors, no second girls, no nothing. You are asking for serious problems.

11) If confronted with a dangerous situation, do not get hostile or seriously argumentative. Tempers flair quickly, to what extent, you may not want to learn. GIVE IT UP. After all, you stashed your wallet and extra $$ elsewhere, right?

12) If you ARE ripped off, publicize the hell out of it on this board with as much descriptive detail as you can. Educate the rest of us about what mistakes you would not make again. Give a detailed description of the SW, exactly where, when, how you connected. Got pictures?

13) Finally, try to get to know those SWs who ARE dependable. They can, and often are willing to advise you about dangerous, HIV positive or drugged out SWs. But remember however, even long-time dependable SWs should not have too much temptation placed in front of them--even they can "grab and run."

Stay safe--even if the thrill of the hunt is part of the deal, stay safe...

Giani

**Oriole Mon** · 07-31-08 23:44

Here a couple of things I've witnessed this month that you should not do:

1) Talk to a girl through your window, before or after the deed.

2) Sit in your car with her right after the pick up or just before the drop off.

3) Do a freaking U turn in the middle of Wilkens.

4) Blow your horn to get a SW attention.

5) Point out your window at a group of SW on the corner.

6) After the pick up, run the next red light you come to.

7) Stop to make a pick up with kids and parents close by.

When you make the pick up or the drop off, make it and get moving. Stationary targets are easier to hit. Do not draw attention to yourself by making unusual manuevers in your vehicle. How many people honk their horn in your trolling area? Fit in. Unless you want to explain why she is in your car for a traffic violation, do not tempt fate, drive like a minister. Kids+parents+johns = community watch and plenty of calls to LE with your description and probably your tag number.

Monger safe

Oriole

**Member #4105** · 01-20-08 20:21

Originally Posted by Redd55

I looked in the Abbreviations and did not see it. I have seen this in two reports. Can someone enlighten me? Thanks.

Concentration Camp Lean

**Redd55** · 01-20-08 11:48

I looked in the Abbreviations and did not see it. I have seen this in two reports. Can someone enlighten me? Thanks.

**SirDrDunk** · 12-27-07 22:11

Originally Posted by Dr.Monger

I have been going to the Block(tm) for 15 years, and have never heard of a 15 minute VIP for $100 with drinks and HJ included. Where do you get this stuff? When I first started going to the Block(tm) the medium drink was $60 plus a $60 tip to the girl (for a total of $120) and that was for a HJ at the bar. That pricing scale is long gone, and most bars don't allow "at the bar" action anymore, although there are probably a few where you might be able get it if its slow, and another few where you might see action in the lap dance area for the right tip.

But if this exists feel free to let us know. I will be the first to apologize if you can prove this is true.

Dr. Monger

I totally agree. Doc been going down just about as long and don't know about the cost of drinks being $100 but they probally will go up now that a new tax has went into effect.

**Dr.Monger** · 12-27-07 12:09

Originally Posted by Shlong01

If you do your homework, you will get a VIP room for 15 minutes, includes drinks, the girl and a HJ for $100.

I have been going to the Block(tm) for 15 years, and have never heard of a 15 minute VIP for $100 with drinks and HJ included. Where do you get this stuff? When I first started going to the Block(tm) the medium drink was $60 plus a $60 tip to the girl (for a total of $120) and that was for a HJ at the bar. That pricing scale is long gone, and most bars don't allow "at the bar" action anymore, although there are probably a few where you might be able get it if its slow, and another few where you might see action in the lap dance area for the right tip.

But if this exists feel free to let us know. I will be the first to apologize if you can prove this is true.

Dr. Monger

**Dr.Monger** · 12-27-07 12:04

Originally Posted by Shlong01

I noticed there are many newbies here, so here is the a.b.c of doing a pickup:

1. Drive the neighborhood before doing a pickup, you will earn alot and get a feel for police presence.
2. When you see a Street Walker (SW), make eye contact, check her out, she will also make eye contact and proceed to walk to the place where she thinks you will pick her up.
3. Drive around the block, looking for police, use your rear view mirror extensilvely,a nd drive like a priest.
4. Stop on a side street, preferrably with other parked cars, your doors are locked, your window 3 inches down.
5. While she is outside the car, ask her if she needs a ride, this way you make yourself an alibi, and invite her in.
6. Once she is inside your car, checkout the rear view mirrors and proceed outside the area. This is an added assurance if you are being watched without you noticing. Cops are not likely to folloow you accross county line or on a highway.
7. The girl will ask you what you are up to, say: looking for fun. You ask them the same, they will answer: trying to make some money.
8. For continued assurance, ask them if you can touch them, and ask them to toch you, on the crotch.
9. Tell them what you want,a nd how much you are willing to pay. I typically say: BJ for 20?, they say OK.
10. Discuss the location, and drive to it. Be suspecious if they dictate a location. Keep doors locked.

These steps should come spontaniously. Enjoy.

We need someone to post plain and simple language on the 4 spots where mongering lives; the 4th is the BLOCK of course. Be safe, be happy.
11. Do not pay before everythign is 100% set for action.
12. Keep plenty of napkins in your car

Actually, I completely disagree with Rule #5. (and thus the last part of Rule #4). It is often mentioned here on the Baltimore Board - NEVER talk to the girl through the car window. The true test of whether a girl is working (at least in Baltimore) is when you pull over she will just get in. That is the way it works here. Female LE will NOT get in, but will try to talk through the window. Trust me I know someone who was busted after just talking through the window (no it was not me.) As for the "r u a cop" game, I play it to get a look and feel of the goods. If she gets in, she is not a cop.

Dr. Monger

**Larry 56** · 10-30-07 15:40

I've been mongering off and on for over 30 years. I'd like to point out to my fellow mongers to stop being an ass and remember that our girls are drug addicts. Drugs make you dumb. I should know as I was one for a few years and survived. You have to do the thinking. You take no shit from them.

I have many many friends of LE over the years when one of these girls tries to rip me off. They get a free trip to Central Booking. Remember that there is not one LEO that doesn't want an easy bust and a promotion to detyective. You can help them. You without even knowing it have intell. Some of these girls avoid me because they know that I will rat them out if I don't get what I pay for. I take no crap from jockeys or pipe users. That is my street rep. The dealers know that I am a straight shooter and many think that I am LE. I don'y discouraging their thinking.

Ypou have to be smarter than them. They are more scared than you but are better actors. My one bust in 30 years was in Shitcago but an idiot LEO who now is getting sued and about to lose his job. It is part of a class action suit and I'll bet that I winbased on his incompetence. It was some that Baltimore LE wouldn't ever pull. They are too smart for that.

Our girls are hoping that you are scared. They are more scared of you then you of them, believe me. I know because I have been doing this for a lot longer than you guys. LE needs information and where do you think they get it from? The dealers, our girls and us. If they nab you, you have something to trade. LE is not stupid. No, they are not your best friend but everything is negotiable and they want a promotion and be able to go home and tell the old lady about the raise they just got. They ARE human.

Don't get mad. Get EVEN!!

Larry!

**Dark Alley** · 10-29-07 22:24

I've been to "The Block" in Baltimore dozens of times over the last 15 or so years. I don't go often because everytime I have, I've left completely sober (might be because of those $8 semi-alcoholic shots) and a lot poorer (see the price of the shot! ) I've "tipped" some of the women here and there, but never even the offer of more than a dance, which of course, they seem to use that time to bilk more money out of you.

What's the deal? What am I doing wrong?

**Saiyen** · 09-16-07 09:09

Originally Posted by Bad Bad Boy

6. If she's with a "boyfriend", who disappears when you come around again, he's pimping her. Be careful! Don't unlock the door until she's ready to get in, with him nowhere to be seen! If you follow these rules, you're in control of the situation.

14. If you go back to her place - are you mad? The "boyfriend busting in mad, waving a gun" scam probably happens a lot - since the victims won't report the robbery, they get by with it, even though the victims know where the robbers are staying!

17. WALLET - Do not leave your wallet within her reach. If you think you know a clever spot to hide it, remember that 100's of others have thought of it, too. While you're distracted, her free hand can be working.

All great tips but those 3 stuck out the most to me. I got hustled friday night and it was an absolute nightmare. SW takes me to Embassy Sweets, shitty BJ & Fuck. I don't even pop and she says she needs a break when she decides to go smoke her crack pipe. Her girl comes in and I had already given .6 so she demands $ since it was FS. I laugh but they say if I can give them a ride back to 14th they won't need the cab fair. Heres where my dumbass should have BOLTED! I let both of them get in the car and start to get harrassed that I owe them money and it was just horrible. I wanted to kick there ass out of the car but at 3am with LE around or the SWs having mace, knife or gun or whatever I played it kewl. Luckly the bitches got out but it was an absolute nightmare. Never again is that shit happening.

Really appreciate the tips, even to someone mongering for a minute we all make mistakes, sigh.

**Big Red50** · 09-15-07 14:39

Originally Posted by Giani

Monger's on another board pointed out that RTFF means Read the FRIENDLY Forum--just so newbies don't take offense... On the other hand...

I posted a monger's map of Cincinnati which I put together a while ago, but have never seen one for Balmer. (And I usually keep a lecherous eye on the Photo Gallery. As someone familiar with Balmer, I would be interested to see your monger's map if anyone has one or knows of one. Here is Cincy's:

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/at...chmentid=40011

Finally--Capone (Big Head in Italian), be sure to make information containing posts to the board. While we understand that newbies have lots of questions, you earn points with rich, observational posts. To have a maiden voyage on the forum with requests only for information may make that first F in RTFF less friendly.

Big Red--did you mean "flag" or "flame?"

Giani

No Flames(my flamers always inclue a flamethrower photo) here I was much to kind and civil for a flaming, lately my flamers have been deleted. We now have a kinder gentler forum hugs not slugs!

I was just carrying the flag for Bench that map has been posted several times I have posted detailed directions three or for times, once from Indianapolis. If the newbies do not learn how to use the forum it will be of no value to them. When I was a newbie I got my ass flamed good over spelling, I learned and now I am good friends with the flamers. Flaming newbies is just an initiation process, like a USASG legacy.

Big Red