White Girls in the 808

[DangerBoy]

I'm trying to cut down on mongering due to spending a little over 20 k this year. There were times when it was daily and sometimes three a days.

One of the best was star, very pretty and cool but haven't seen her all year. She may have some regulars out there that she sees out on the Westside. If she rememerges, she is a must see. Up there with Leia and Jolie in terms of looks.

Didn't someone say awhile back that she took the bus from the North Shore or someplace far from town to get to Nirvana? I do know that I wandered into Nirvana maybe a year ago at around 10, asked if Star was around. The MS said she wouldn't be in for at least a few hours (which jived with what I heard).

[MattSurf]

I'm trying to cut down on mongering due to spending a little over 20 k this year. There were times when it was daily and sometimes three a days.

One of the best was star, very pretty and cool but haven't seen her all year. She may have some regulars out there that she sees out on the Westside. If she rememerges, she is a must see. Up there with Leia and Jolie in terms of looks.

[Hinode]

Just a note that Lillian's changed her number. Don't let it fool you. I'm sure she'll go through a few more by the time the week's over.

One more trait that points to her being a ROB Bad reviews, burn the old number.

http://honolulu.backpage.com/WomenSe...1-8849/9141092

Mahalo for this advice. I texted her back and forth on her old number, and yeah, she seems quite sketchy. Asked a lot of LEO questions, gave me quotes, then stopped texting me, texts me back 2:30 am the next day, etc. Will pass on this fruit cake.

[DangerBoy]

Any idea when Diana will be back?

Haven't heard anything. I'll let you know if I do.

[Viper78]

I've seen Vivian a few times, but I wouldn't call her GFE or PSE unless something's changed.

The standard definition of GFE and PSE includes BBBJ. Last time I saw her, she was CBJ. She also didn't do greek, which most people feel is part of a PSE, and definitely didn't do BBFS, which is arguably part of the GFE and PSE.

If her menu has changed, feel free to correct me.

That being said, she's a good provider and she does make you feel welcome and has the GFE attitude, and can get pretty kinky (so, PSE-light, I guess?). She's much better than the disinterested, strictly FS (CFS, CBJ, no kissing, clock watching) white girls that usually pass through the AMPs, walking the track in Waikiki or working out of the Marina Inn (that place is a dump and it cannot be said enough).

Also agree with you about Diana, as she's excellent as well. I hope she comes back, I missed seeing her when she was here back in Nov.

Like I said a few posts ago, Leia at Dream was the last true GFE white girl to hit all the marks (DFK, BBBJ, DATY, MSOG, cuddling, attitude).

Any idea when Diana will be back?

[DangerBoy]

Just a note that Lillian's changed her number. Don't let it fool you. I'm sure she'll go through a few more by the time the week's over.

One more trait that points to her being a ROB — Bad reviews, burn the old number.

http://honolulu.backpage.com/WomenSe...1-8849/9141092

[DangerBoy]

Vivian at Hula Girls is a pretty, young, sexxxy white girl who has been regularly reported to give GFE / PSE Service.

Give her a try. I've had nothing but excellent service from this beautiful young white provider.

Also Diane from Hula Girl has been reported to be a fantastic white provider. She's a bit more "mature" than Vivian, however, we phucked the shit out of each other & it was spectacular!! She's currently not in the lineup, but she said she'll definitely return to provide.

Be Safe,

Insatiable808.

I've seen Vivian a few times, but I wouldn't call her GFE or PSE unless something's changed.

The standard definition of GFE and PSE includes BBBJ. Last time I saw her, she was CBJ. She also didn't do greek, which most people feel is part of a PSE, and definitely didn't do BBFS, which is arguably part of the GFE and PSE.

If her menu has changed, feel free to correct me.

That being said, she's a good provider and she does make you feel welcome and has the GFE attitude, and can get pretty kinky (so, PSE-light, I guess?). She's much better than the disinterested, strictly FS (CFS, CBJ, no kissing, clock watching) white girls that usually pass through the AMPs, walking the track in Waikiki or working out of the Marina Inn (that place is a dump and it cannot be said enough).

Also agree with you about Diana, as she's excellent as well. I hope she comes back, I missed seeing her when she was here back in Nov.

Like I said a few posts ago, Leia at Dream was the last true GFE white girl to hit all the marks (DFK, BBBJ, DATY, MSOG, cuddling, attitude).

[Insatiable808]

I prefer white girls over FOB asians that can't speak English, any day. I could care less if I never see one of them again, no matter how good they are. Ditto and kudos to Dangerboy, also. It's not just you, HBoy. There's a lot of gentleman who share you preference, as you can see on this site.

Vivian at Hula Girls is a pretty, young, sexxxy white girl who has been regularly reported to give GFE / PSE Service.

Give her a try. I've had nothing but excellent service from this beautiful young white provider.

Also Diane from Hula Girl has been reported to be a fantastic white provider. She's a bit more "mature" than Vivian, however, we phucked the shit out of each other & it was spectacular!! She's currently not in the lineup, but she said she'll definitely return to provide.

Be Safe,

Insatiable808.

[Puuhale]

Is it just me? I don't really like foreign Asian providers. I prefer a nice white girl. But Hawaii are full of Asian hos who have been here for decades.

I prefer white girls over FOB asians that can't speak English, any day. I could care less if I never see one of them again, no matter how good they are. Ditto and kudos to Dangerboy, also. It's not just you, HBoy. There's a lot of gentleman who share you preference, as you can see on this site.

[DangerBoy]

Wow!

Que mind blowing explosion.

I was just thinking of the prices the other day. It seems like prices have been dropping compared to late 90's early 2000's. Not saying that I like it better, because it drives the hotties out of Hawaii. Not saying that we have a junk selection, but we have to see them when they come to Hawaii. Not like an AMP where we can just go.

Hell, even adult shops are slowly disappearing and the remaining ones are not the same (no more glory holes with women behind them).

I agree with you DangerBoy.

Thanks. I kind of compare the state of the escort scene in Hawaii to that of the restaurants that are available.

If you like Asian food, you're golden. If you want anything European, good luck.

[DangerBoy]

You write a review the size of War and Peace and you forget to include the ad about the person you're writing about. Ugh.

http://honolulu.backpage.com/WomenSe...4-1218/9141092

[How To]

Wow!

Que mind blowing explosion.

I was just thinking of the prices the other day. It seems like prices have been dropping compared to late 90's early 2000's. Not saying that I like it better, because it drives the hotties out of Hawaii. Not saying that we have a junk selection, but we have to see them when they come to Hawaii. Not like an AMP where we can just go.

Hell, even adult shops are slowly disappearing and the remaining ones are not the same (no more glory holes with women behind them).

I agree with you DangerBoy.

It's not just you.

This topic comes up every now and then. These are my observations:

* Locals tend to like Asian women more than white girls, FOB from China and Korea even more so (and they would kill for a FOB Japanese provider or massage girl, but Japanese don't work outside of Japan). Is it some Oedipal thing? I don't know. I know the last thing I want to bone is someone who looks like my sister. Just saying. (As an aside back in the '90's, the Wild Horse, where Jazz Minds is now, was *the* strip club to go to if you wanted to see porn stars feature dance. When they first opened, they brought in a lot of white girls, though that made sense as most of the girls working in porn are white, especially back then. They even brought in big names like Ginger Lynn. However, over time, it seemed the same Asian porn stars were being brought in over and over again.).

* The Asian massage parlors (among other factors) disincentives Hawaii as a touring spot for most girls from the mainland. For $200, you get full GFE, possibly PSE if you know where to go, with a FOB Asian for about an hour. These prices have remained constant, despite inflation, for long time now (maybe 10+ years, according to some posts). I could get GFE from a 18 to 25 year old white girl in LA for $250/ hr when I started mongering hard in the early 2000's. When I left two years ago, the floor seemed to be $300/ hr. You'll also see guys here being very vocal against anyone giving more than the standard tip. They are reluctant and sometimes outright hostile to paying anything more than that tip, plus house fee, even to an indie provider who's touring. I've had many girls who come from the mainland who came to work or came as a working vacation say they'll never come back because there's no money here. Some of these included porn stars.

* It used to be that you could walk into a strip club, at least, and there would be a lot of white girls stripping at Femme Nu and Rock Za (and Club Rose, back when there was a Club Rose). Now it's like walking into a ghost town when you go to a strip club. And the girls are nowhere near as hot as they used to be and they don't let you get away with half the stuff the girls did in the '90's. Again, I think the growth of the Asian massage parlors and the fact that information about those parlors and reviews of the individual girls on sites like these killed strip clubs. Why go to a club and get blue balls when you can get a sure thing at an AMP? I think the HPD making lap dancing illegal lit the fuse, but the thing that really started the slow decline of the strip clubs from their heyday in the '90's was the Internet and the cheap travel to / from Asia.

The scene here *sucks* if you want anything but an Asian girl. There's a few white girls that pop up in the AMPs, but even then it's extremely rare you'll get one that actually does a full GFE session (in my book, GFE is DFK, BBBJ, MSOG, DATY and into you). The last, IMO, was Leia at Dream.

I've been told by a white girl, who is very high-end and who bases herself out of Hawaii, that she's found it impossible to build a regular clientele here. She does most of her business, and spends a lot of her time, touring in the mainland.

(As an aside, it seems the scene was better in the early 2000's with the Volcano Girls agency. Or at least, so I've been told.).

With all that being said, finding quality working white girls in Hawaii is a very frustrating pursuit. If you scroll through this thread, you'll see. If you're serious about this, you'll have a much better selection on pretty much anywhere on the mainland, or going the sugaring route (though it seems you have to go through a lot of chaff to get to any wheat).

And let's face it it's much more expensive to do anything here than it is on the mainland, including being a working girl. There's no $80 a night Motel 6 to work out of. Eating out is more expensive. Groceries are more expensive. Gas is more expensive. The only way in or out is at least a $400 round trip plane ticket.

Hawaii is paradise if you're a tourist or local who hobbies and who loves Asian women with Asian accents, or just plain doesn't care about who you fuck. If you're like us, you'll pay a lot and probably be very disappointed, like so many other things in Hawaii.

[DangerBoy]

Is it just me? I don't really like foreign Asian providers. I prefer a nice white girl. But Hawaii are full of Asian hos who have been here for decades.

It's not just you.

This topic comes up every now and then. These are my observations:

* Locals tend to like Asian women more than white girls, FOB from China and Korea even more so (and they would kill for a FOB Japanese provider or massage girl, but Japanese don't work outside of Japan). Is it some Oedipal thing? I don't know. I know the last thing I want to bone is someone who looks like my sister. Just saying. (As an aside — back in the '90's, the Wild Horse, where Jazz Minds is now, was *the* strip club to go to if you wanted to see porn stars feature dance. When they first opened, they brought in a lot of white girls, though that made sense as most of the girls working in porn are white, especially back then. They even brought in big names like Ginger Lynn. However, over time, it seemed the same Asian porn stars were being brought in over and over again.).

* The Asian massage parlors (among other factors) disincentives Hawaii as a touring spot for most girls from the mainland. For $200, you get full GFE, possibly PSE if you know where to go, with a FOB Asian for about an hour. These prices have remained constant, despite inflation, for long time now (maybe 10+ years, according to some posts). I could get GFE from a 18 to 25 year old white girl in LA for $250/ hr when I started mongering hard in the early 2000's. When I left two years ago, the floor seemed to be $300/ hr. You'll also see guys here being very vocal against anyone giving more than the standard tip. They are reluctant and sometimes outright hostile to paying anything more than that tip, plus house fee, even to an indie provider who's touring. I've had many girls who come from the mainland who came to work or came as a working vacation say they'll never come back because there's no money here. Some of these included porn stars.

* It used to be that you could walk into a strip club, at least, and there would be a lot of white girls stripping at Femme Nu and Rock Za (and Club Rose, back when there was a Club Rose). Now it's like walking into a ghost town when you go to a strip club. And the girls are nowhere near as hot as they used to be and they don't let you get away with half the stuff the girls did in the '90's. Again, I think the growth of the Asian massage parlors and the fact that information about those parlors and reviews of the individual girls on sites like these killed strip clubs. Why go to a club and get blue balls when you can get a sure thing at an AMP? I think the HPD making lap dancing illegal lit the fuse, but the thing that really started the slow decline of the strip clubs from their heyday in the '90's was the Internet and the cheap travel to / from Asia.

The scene here *sucks* if you want anything but an Asian girl. There's a few white girls that pop up in the AMPs, but even then it's extremely rare you'll get one that actually does a full GFE session (in my book, GFE is DFK, BBBJ, MSOG, DATY and into you). The last, IMO, was Leia at Dream.

I've been told by a white girl, who is very high-end and who bases herself out of Hawaii, that she's found it impossible to build a regular clientele here. She does most of her business, and spends a lot of her time, touring in the mainland.

(As an aside, it seems the scene was better in the early 2000's with the Volcano Girls agency. Or at least, so I've been told.).

With all that being said, finding quality working white girls in Hawaii is a very frustrating pursuit. If you scroll through this thread, you'll see. If you're serious about this, you'll have a much better selection on pretty much anywhere on the mainland, or going the sugaring route (though it seems you have to go through a lot of chaff to get to any wheat).

And let's face it — it's much more expensive to do anything here than it is on the mainland, including being a working girl. There's no $80 a night Motel 6 to work out of. Eating out is more expensive. Groceries are more expensive. Gas is more expensive. The only way in or out is at least a $400 round trip plane ticket.

Hawaii is paradise if you're a tourist or local who hobbies and who loves Asian women with Asian accents, or just plain doesn't care about who you fuck. If you're like us, you'll pay a lot and probably be very disappointed, like so many other things in Hawaii.

[HornyBoy13]

Is it just me? I don't really like foreign Asian providers. I prefer a nice white girl. But Hawaii are full of Asian hos who have been here for decades.

[DangerBoy]

What you see with Lillian in her ads is what you get. Physically. I'll give her that.

She's heavily tattooed, both sides of her head are shaved and she has a prominent septum piercing (as in, the sort of piercing that pierces the middle of the nose, like the nose rings people associate with bulls). I also give her credit for actually saying something in her ad, giving proof of life and not leaving us wondering if she's another bunch of Instagram photos and video that some provider is using to hide what they really look like.

That being said, this was one of the worst experiences I've had with an indie. It's clear she's got things going on in her life that prevent her from performing at the basic levels of service. She also vastly overestimates her skill and her value. Finally, I strongly believe she attempted to steal my phone.

I've been going back and forth with Lillian the last couple of days. I've read her past reviews, good and bad, and thought I'd give her a chance. Maybe she had a bad day, I thought, to justify the bad reviews. Maybe she just didn't click with the customer, I thought. Everything in this thing of ours, ultimately, is about YMMV after all and that can be fickle.

Granted, that's a lot of slack to give someone. Especially someone I've never seen before. But full disclosure, I was horny, I hate dealing with Christmas (and was finally glad it was fucking over) and I needed to blow a nut.

If anything, she had a lower bar to hurdle than most, because of where my head (and little head) was at. But she couldn't even get over *that*.

We set something up for earlier this afternoon. I wasn't a fan of driving through the rain, but hey, why not? Lillian seemed nice on texts and the phone and she was available so why not? Besides, I kind of like the sound of the rain when I'm having sex (or so I told myself).

She texted me 140 for a "quick" visit, 180 for the half and 280 for the hour. (Pay attention to this, this is important later.) I opted for the hour because I like to take my time and told her that. I asked if she wanted me to pick up lunch for her, my treat, as I hadn't eaten. She declined.

Her place is an apartment / condo building in the middle of Waikiki, which is always fun to drive into. (Sarcasm.) And then there's parking in the middle of Waikiki, though in the afternoon it wasn't that bad.

The building required her to let me into the elevators. No big deal, but I waited a half hour for her to get her shit together and get me up there. Not kidding, not exaggerating. A half hour. And that was after it took me a good 15 minutes to find parking. She was very apologetic, texting that shed lost her keys, her landlord held her up. If it were not for this, I would have left (though I should have, knowing what I know now.)

Her place is homey. Real bed. It's a Queen or California King. Asked her if I could take a shower (one of the things I asked about when we texted). She said she was out of towels. She also seemed very keen on keeping the bathroom door closed and I got the impression she did not want me in there.

Made myself comfortable, laid out the donation and hopped on the bed. She went into the bathroom to take her clothes off, and came out with her underwear on. Weird, I know.

Then she spends about another five minutes fiddling with her TV to get YouTube working, which is something she could have done during the half hour she kept me waiting. I hope you like screwing to hip-hop if you want to see her, because that's what she pulled up on her playlist. It was all the bad rap (and to be fair, I do like rap, just not what she chose) coming out nowadays about booty that you'd hear now at Femme Nu. She asked me what time it was too. So, clock watcher, check.

To be fair, she does have a tight body. No kids, obviously, and her natural Bee-cups are firm and young.

She took off her bra with some prodding. Went in for a kiss, but she said didn't kiss. She went down for BJ, did it bareback for a few minutes, then reached for the cover. Asked her what was going on, and she said she was putting the rubber on for the BJ. Told her I'd throw her an extra tip for her to continue to blow me bare. She said ok, but then reached for the cover, again, a few minutes later.

That was it. I told her it was over. I reached for the money I laid out and told her I was just paying for a quickie. This was less than 10 minutes into the session. Also told her to bend over, because I was going to fuck out my time out with her.

Checked my phone to see what she quoted for the quickie rate. Laid out the 140 and she told me she wanted another $40. I snorted with laughter.

Told her I read she was capable of being GFE, but she mumbled back that I offended her when I told her to "suck my cock". Pretty sure my jaw dropped, but I definitely did think, "Well, you're in for an education. ".

Put my clothes back on. Did my sensitive items check to make sure I was leaving with what I came in with, and noticed my phone was missing. Not a problem. Hit the ping my iPhone button on my Apple Watch. It pinged. Couldn't find it. Pinged it again. Turns out it was under Lillian's clothes. Imagine that. And she found it. Again, imagine that.

Gave her the cocked eyebrow as I went out. Lillian looked down and couldn't get me out fast enough.

In a lot of ways, Lillian reminds me of another very tatted up provider, Abbey. I saw Abbey when she first started working on Oahu. Very lackluster service. Always had an excuse about why she was running late and why she wasn't performing. In the end, as we all know, Abbey is now doing car dates on Kukui for about 50 bucks a throw. Last I heard she was asking guys who just roll up their window when they see her if she treated them badly. She did.

At least Abbey had the bare minimum of pleasantness that allowed me to through with fucking her. Abbey also did not ask for more money for her lackluster service, and at least Abbey did not leave me with the distinct feeling she was trying to steal my phone.

When Lillian hits the streets, and I have no doubt that she will, I hope she will at least realize why no one's giving her the time of day, let alone an hour.

Looks: 7 probably more if you're into tattoos and piercings. Body is firm and tight though.

Attitude: 2 pleasant on the phone but it was all downhill once I got into the door.

Service: 2 it was so bad, I didn't even want to continue.

Return? No. Someone should seriously tell girls like Lillian that the Cust-Sat question in a survey, the "Would you recommend this company / service to family and friends?" Is the most important question.

And she failed miserably. I do not recommend her to any of you.