2005 Archived Reports

[jacking4sure]

L.A. is so fucked up, Anyone wanting to carpool to TJ tonite and get some young legal cheap pussy Pm me!

[Joe Monger]

Dude, you gotta get off the Hollywood Park. Bike, Commerce, and Hustler are so much nicer.

Commerce is the shit. I walk out with more $$$ than when I came in every fucking time I go there.

[Viper92552]

http://www.reason.com/links/links110705.shtml
In 2003, The Bush administration introduced the "anti-prostitution pledge," an oath required of U.S. aid organizations working overseas who hoped to continue getting government funding. Born out of a conviction that eliminating sex slavery requires a war on prostitution, the move provoked intense opposition from foreign aid organizations, human rights activists, feminists and sex worker groups. It's also revived an age-old conversation about the moral and legal dimensions of the sex trade.

Author Tracy Quan delves into this earnest debate through the unlikely medium of chick lit. Quan, whose work has appeared in Lingua Franca, Congressional Quarterly, and The Boston Globe, spent 15 years hooking in London and Manhattan before turning exclusively to writing. Her popular bi-weekly column for Salon, which grew into the semi-autobiographical Diary of a Manhattan Call Girl, introduced readers to independent, bourgeois hooker Nancy Chan. Diary of a Married Call Girl , a sequel published last month, is another behind-the-scenes look at a profession pushed underground.

Assistant Editor Kerry Howley spoke to Quan in November.

Reason: What's the ideal legal framework for prostitution? Do you support complete legalization?

Quan: What I would support is more nuanced. The U.S. is out of step; the laws are very backward. We need to learn from the way other countries deal with prostitution. I think it would be unrealistic to just say that you want wholesale legalization across the board—too sudden. There is a distinction to be made between what legalization means to people and what decriminalization means. If legalization means that you're going to be regulated in a way that is unfamiliar to the currently working prostitutes, there is going to be a lot of resistance from prostitutes themselves.

Reason: What regulations in particular concern you?

Quan: Zoning. Zoning can be helpful, but it can also be abusive. We've seen how corporations have colluded with government in New York City, in the kind of zoning crackdown. That was all to the benefit of a few huge corporations, not to the people living in those neighborhoods. There were small business owners who were completely railroaded by eminent domain laws. It has nothing to do with public good. Have you looked at Times Square lately? It's a gigantic scam on the population. Times Square is much more vulgar and offensive looking than it was before. Architecturally it's a disaster. It's completely wrong and unnatural. I don't know who would go there. What person would want their children to be exposed to this sort of thing? It's really vulgar.

Reason: And there are places a brothel would seem unnatural and out of place.

Quan: I am in favor of the idea that you wouldn't want a brothel next to a school; most prostitutes can see the common sense in that. But the interesting thing is that without all kinds of crazy zoning laws, human beings have been naturally inclined to do prostitution in places where there is say, theater. It's absolutely natural for human beings to buy and sell sex in a theater district. That's traditional. Adults are out late at night; actresses were traditionally involved. That's true in London, in the west 40s in NY. There aren't a lot of kindergartens next to the theaters. And this all makes sense, it generates income, it's a completely positive thing.

If you close something like that down, where are the prostitutes going to go? They're going to end up in some completely unnatural and strange place, maybe near a school. I'd be in favor of some kind of zoning if I thought it was informed by something rational and realistic. The problem is that zoning in this country, given the fearful religious climate, might be misused to try to put prostitutes in dangerous places where they can't be accessed. Zoning is sometimes used not to support a concept but to try to make it go away. And that's a sort of violence against the market.

Reason: Sex workers don't use the term sex worker.

Quan: The term is not really in use among actual sex workers on the street or in the bedroom. It's a clinical term; a respectable term; it's never been part of the lingo of the business. There is a schism of some sort—a difference between the language of the bedroom, the bar, the business; and the language of the activist circle. It's necessary for that language to be a little artificial.

Activism is something that you're inventing every day, whereas prostitution is very natural. Activism takes a leap of the imagination. It's a little bit abstract, the urge to create a more perfect world and talk about principles behind how you're treated. It's appropriate really that activist language isn't the same as the language in the street.

Reason: Your protagonist, Nancy Chan, is deeply skeptical of sex worker activism. Does that reflect your own views?

Quan: I've always been attracted to the hookers' movement, and I admire the advances of activism. But I have noticed that, though we're behind politically, prostitutes in America who are accustomed to working illegally are often more trustworthy people than prostitutes who have worked under a legalized system. The value system is an outlaw value system.

I think outlaws are more trustworthy people. They're forced to think about what they think is right and wrong. You are forced to think about the ethics of your behavior in terms of loyalty. It's a very tribal mentality: us against the world. In the respectable world, it's about what you can get away with legally. There are a lot more loopholes in the respectable world. People will tell themselves: "It's OK because it's legal." An outlaw doesn't have that option.

Reason: What do you make of claims that sex workers are motivated by deep-seated psychological problems?

Quan: All human beings have deep-seated psychological problems. That's what makes us interesting. Writers have deep-seated psychological problems, and I would hope a prostitute has deep-seated psychological problems. I think those claims come from people who have been brainwashed by the medicalization of therapy; they want everyone to be flat and have no problems. But that's never been the goal of serious psycho-therapeutic thinkers. The goal is to understand what lies beneath the human condition. These people are bureaucrats and they aren't thinking about the range of human experience.

Reason: Has the acknowledgement of female desire led to women taking greater enjoyment in sex?

Quan: I think we're enjoying sex more than we did in the past because we have birth control. The methods have become better and better. My parents didn't have access to condoms in four different sizes. It makes a difference.

Reason: What effect has it had on men?

Quan: I don't think our enjoyment of sex is separate from men's enjoyment. I'm sure that in my grandmother's time it was more of a zero sum game. In a society where women have more access to birth control, our pleasure comes to be seen as more important to the man. The fear of getting pregnant would have stopped me from enjoying the experience. The idea that something you like to do is going to lead to physical hardship really puts a damper on things.

Reason: Prostitution in the developing world has been getting a lot of attention lately, much of it because of the effort to stamp out human trafficking. Has the attention been positive or negative for sex workers?

Quan: The movement led by prostitutes themselves is really concerned about trafficking. But we are concerned about it in a larger human rights context. We are really upset about people who use trafficking to attack the whole concept of prostitution. I think there is a lot of unexamined hatred toward prostitutes that gets expressed as compassion.

Reason: So the issues of voluntary prostitution and human trafficking are being conflated.

Quan: They're being exploited. People are exploiting, psychologically and emotionally, the issue of trafficking to turn a human rights problem into an anti-prostitution agenda.

Reason: Is the argument that prostitution is necessarily exploitive?

Quan: I'm not concerned that prostitution is exploitive. What does exploitive mean? People exploit minerals and their own power and each other. Exploitation is a fairly neutral term. The question is whether somebody is being abused or harmed physically. These people are trying to cast prostitution as something evil rather than something exploitive.

Prostitutes exploit their clients all the time. And they're often exploited by madams. The idea of clients exploiting anyone is kind of laughable. It's like someone saying that someone running a shoe store is exploiting the labor of an employee. That's how businesses run. It's a fairly neutral term. The question is whether it's abusive.

Reason: And the assumption is that it is always abusive?

Quan: They are trying to say prostitution is a human rights violation. It's an absurd idea to me. Anti-prostitution activists have found an issue, human trafficking, that they can exploit and that pushes a lot of peoples' buttons. We're living in a time when we don't think slavery is acceptable. Which I would agree with. But people who are naive, who have never worked with a prostitute or hired a prostitute, people who have no natural organic contact with prostitutes, are easily manipulated into believing anything about prostitution.

Reason: The sex worker organization portrayed in your second novel uses a sewing machine with a line through it as a logo. Do you see the anti-human trafficking movement as potentially pushing women into sweatshops?

Quan: It's difficult because you have people like [New York Times columnist] Nicholas Kristof who seem to think it's better and possibly safer for a teenager to be working in a sweatshop. I don't know which is safer. I'm not entirely convinced that it's safer to work in a sweatshop around big machines in countries where factories are not regulated.

As a friend of mine once told me, affluent people can't imagine what it's like to have a child and want your child to work as a prostitute at the age of 13. Yet on the other hand nor can affluent people know what it's like to choose between sending your child to a factory or a whorehouse. You cannot argue with a machine, you can't negotiate with a machine. You can negotiate with a human being. You can appeal to their empathy or get more money out of them; get them to help you and your family.

reason: Kristof seems to be writing about slavery, not a voluntary sex trade.

Quan: Kristof's ideas about slavery are not very sophisticated. He has written about sex between African slaves and European slave owners, about how the races mingled. My family is from the Carribbean. Since I was a child I've known that there was an African slave who slept with a Dutch slave owner; this is part of my ancestry. Kristof describes this kind of thing as female slaves being seduced and exploited. I had always assumed that my ancestor might have seduced her owner. People do what they do in order to survive. This is all very shocking to someone resistant to seeing nuances in human behavior. You don't have to be in favor of slavery to see that.

reason: Do you consider indentured labor a form of slavery?

Quan: My Chinese ancestors were indentured laborers and I've often had this conflict in my mind. I know a lot of prostitution activists who are opposed to prostitutes being involved in indentured labor. But this is how some of my ancestors got to the New World. It's not a pretty story. It's what it is. And while I don't think we should duplicate the conditions under which they came, I get nervous when I hear well meaning Westerners possibly depriving other people of a chance to move around the globe.

Kerry Howley is an assistant editor of Reason.

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[Speck]

Went to the Hollywood Park again, lost about $400 and my initial buy-in of $100, that sucked, who the hell sits around on A3 OS (beating my AQ Suited)?

Dude, you gotta get off the Hollywood Park. Bike, Commerce, and Hustler are so much nicer.

Before I go on, I have a complaint: You mongers have monster balls. There were a crowd of cars in that corner, all looking and no one signaling, and a ton of u-turning. You guys are creating a traffic jam and causing quite a stir which would for sure get you pinched in Chicago -- well, maybe not, as Chicago pickings are like a 1, maybe 2 compared to LA (you guys wouldn't stop). Anyway, you guys have no right to complain about getting pinched (not that anyone has complained recently). I bet LE wouldn't be so tough if traffic flowed more smoothly. Oh, and the no-tel on sunset is $60, now. I thought about staying the entire day to get my money's worth. She said that she doesn't do hours at night anymore. Screw that, I'll use my car. (Thus endeth my rant, flame away).

Yeah this is about right. Pimps cause most of the sheet, but stupid mongers are to blame too. You would think that guys would be a little careful...but lots of dudes are dumb as hell.

[Rockett Man]

This is the second part of my two part post. LOL. The first part was just experienced in a dream around west LA and then this second part occurs an hour and a half later - different location!

After that ehhhh so-so experience (part I), I made an apppointment at an incall AMP apartment, this one close to Normandie and Wilshire. I'm not sure if this dream should really be in the "downtown" LA section so someone will to let me know. All I know is that this is K-town area. Is that downtown LA, who knows.

Anyway... So I actually have to do a THREE call to get here from WLA. First, I call and confirm my appointment and the manager guy tells me to drive to a certain location and then call back. So I do that and then call again. Then he gives me the address and tells me to call when I get there. So I go park. Finally I call and he says he will call me and give me the apt. code and info when it is time to go up. THREE calls! LOL. Maybe its because I am a newbie for this location who knows.

Finally its time. I get the code and go up. It's a nice apt. complex. I get to the door and knock. Door opens and it is dark. I come in and turn to my left. There is a 5'7" (or bit taller) slender chick with long black hair and big eyes. I can't tell what her body totally looks like with the dressy dress she has on, but she looks okay. For some reason I am greedy, I wonder if there is a hotter chick behind "door number two." The girl doesn't speak English much at all (but she tries which is cute) so she is confused. I call the manager and ask him if he has another girl. He is a bit annoyed but cool about it. He says there is another girl in the same building and she will be to my bedroom in 2 mins. Now that is room service! LOL.

So I barely sit down on the bed and wait for Girl #2 (new girl). There is a knock on the door. Guess who comes in... OH MY. It is the SAME chick that I saw in November, the rookie NON-english speaker from a previous dream, yes the same dream where I also met the hot mamasan. The first time I met her, the chick is plain looking but this new time I meet her, she was all dolled up with make up etc, so she looked better. I said "hey I remember you" and she looked confused. Although a solid performer, I did not want her again. I said, "no sorry" I will stay with the FIRST girl.

Now an aside. The taller, slender first chick didn't seem so hot at first, but the longer I looked at her face, the cuter she looked. It was weird. She had a bit of an exotic look in her face. I decided to keep her instead LOL.

So the first girl (who opened the door) comes back in. I apologize for wanting to check out the other girl and she is cool with that. She asks if I want a shower and I say yep. So I get in for another shower (I just took one when I left WLA). I shower and dry off. The door to the bedroom is straight from the bathroom and I see my chick standing there nude waiting for me. WOW I couldn't tell with the dress on, but she has a TIGHT bangin body. Very shaved kitty, 34B's, no fat on her at all and a very small ass. I am impressed. Body 9, Face 6-8 (per description), Peformance 10. Age 23 (not a day older).

I sit on the bed and put my arm around her. She asks if I "want massage" and I say no not this time. Actually I am a bit worried. I just nutted an hour and a half ago in PART I so I am not sure how I am going to perform for PART II. Anyway, back to the story. I try to kiss her lightly on the lips but she really gets into it and trys to repeatedly shove her tongue in my mouth! LOL. I tell her "no honey, no tongue," and I also point to where she can kiss my body and where she can't. It turns me on that her English is so bad but she tries to talk, is very obedient and has a GREAT attitude. She gives a great CBJ and then I try to direct her to 69 (by moving her body into position). She doesn't understand so she is nude and keeps trying to get in different positions for me. First doggie, then she lays down for mish. She doesn't understand. We laugh. Finally she understands and says "OH 69" LOL. I laugh and say "so you know 69 word huh." I don't lick the twat but I like to rub it. I also give it a sniff test to see if there are bad smells. To me, bad smells = not good. I would actually stop if there was a bad smell. Anyway she sucks me with CBJ in 69 and I rub her twat. BTW she smells good. LOL. I'm sure she would have let me eat her out but I don't do that. I can also tell she has a good attitude cause different random times she gives CBJ, she lets me grab her head and hair to make her deep throat me more, and she never complains. NICE.

After some nice CBJ I am ready. I am remarkably hard too, good for me. I put on a second C and direct her to mish. Surprise here. MAN SHE IS TIGHT. I can say she is one of the top 3 tightest I had ever had. (From my previous posts, "hottie" was better looking than this girl, but this girl is tighter). Oh my I almost nutted in the first minute this chick is so tight. We kiss a bit and I start a slow grinding rythym. Easy boy. I stop to suck on her tities, she likes that. I get a good slow pounding going and get her to cum once or twice (hard to tell with this one). I like looking at the mirrors on the side wall so I can see us from a different angle, the chick looks over there too and smiles.

I stay in mish for about 12-15 mins, and then pull out. She starts to get into doggie - "doggie?" she says. Cute. No, I say, I pull her with legs spread apart to the edge of the bed. I stand there and insert myself into her laying at the edge of the bed. "Ohhhh" she says, I think she likes that as she has a big smile on her face. LOL. I do a few mins of pounding this way. Then I start to lose my thunder!

Here is the test of a good attitude. Keep in mind I have been pounding this chick for close to 20 mins by now, and of course I had a recent nut in Part I. I pull off the two C's and announce that I need some new ones and some more CBJ. LOL. She says "yes we have more Cs" -enthusiastically!! and gets me another. Good girl, GREAT attitude. She puts some new ones on and gives a very enthuastic CBJ til I get hard again. Then we hit it CG. "You want me on top? OK" she says with a smile. She rides on top and grinds very hard. OH GOD she is too tight, in CG she has more control and I think she is going to drain me LOL. After a few mins I have to ask her to stop. Finally it's time for DOGGIE. "Turn around for doggie" I say, and she says "YES DOGGIE." So funny. I stop and kiss her ass cheeks first. I love small tight ass cheeks, this chick has 'em aplenty. I slowly insert myself in from behind and hear her gasp. Yes baby, I get good leverage this way LOL. I play with her little star hole for a bit and then grab her tits. She grunts a bit as I start a slow pounding. So tight, so young. I can't wait any longer. I speed up to a HARD pounding and she yelps as I go wild with grabbing her ass and thrusting myself into her until I finish. NICE.

OH one last thing. The whole time I am with her, she keeps her eyes open which is rare. She really gets into it and the open eyes thing turns me on.

Afterwards she cleans me up and we lay there on the bed for a bit. She says she really likes me. I like her too. I suck some more titty and caress her body, she seems to like that. I always bring a few props with me (no not sex toys) which usually gets the ladies talking and remembering me. She says she likes my props LOL.

I shower and then she helps me get dressed. I give her a hug and we sit on the bed for just a moment longer. Then its time to go. I tell her I am hungry (no lunch yet) so she give me some special krackers in a package to take with me and a bottle of water Ha.

I am contemplating returning tomorrow. Hm. This part II was MUCH better than Part I.

Sigh, then I woke up. Soon to dream again.

[Chief_Wiggum]

Whoops, forgot to add a couple more things:

She said her name was Jada (or something like that, she wrote down her number for me and I lost it (must've thrown it out w/the Karl's). Her area code is 602 (phoenix). Apparently, she's pretty loaded, or just knows a lot about cars. Says her mom owns a massage parlor (Korean workers, go figure, I wanted to know more, but she wanted sex, who am I refuse?) and that's how they make their cash. I couldn't find her listing on CL. She says she has a kid in Fresno and is going there during the week.

[Chief_Wiggum]

Went to the Hollywood Park again, lost about $400 and my initial buy-in of $100, that sucked, who the hell sits around on A3 OS (beating my AQ Suited)? Anyway, rather than sit around another 6 hours, I decided to go on a hunt. Did Englewood and was is that, Western (by Rising Sun, or is it further along, sorry, I can't remember right now) and saw absolutely nothing. Not even LE. This was around 4 and 11 (went twice).

Went to Sunset, this was around 1 am, as I stopped to eat and call in some college football bets (Go Nebraska!). Saw three girls all around the McDonalds parking lot. Two WSW and one BSW. There might have been another WSW on Western, but she was kinda fat and she wasn't giving any looks.

Before I go on, I have a complaint: You mongers have monster balls. There were a crowd of cars in that corner, all looking and no one signaling, and a ton of u-turning. You guys are creating a traffic jam and causing quite a stir which would for sure get you pinched in Chicago -- well, maybe not, as Chicago pickings are like a 1, maybe 2 compared to LA (you guys wouldn't stop). Anyway, you guys have no right to complain about getting pinched (not that anyone has complained recently). I bet LE wouldn't be so tough if traffic flowed more smoothly. Oh, and the no-tel on sunset is $60, now. I thought about staying the entire day to get my money's worth. She said that she doesn't do hours at night anymore. Screw that, I'll use my car. (Thus endeth my rant, flame away).

Anyway, back to the TR: all three were kinda pretty in the face, but bigger bodies than what I'm used to seeing in LA. Mostly junk in the trunk. I chose this one girl, huge rack, and short, like 4'10". I don't like short girls, but I like big racks. Big rack won out (though all were pretty busty). She grabbed me and told me that she does anything. That's a good enough cop check, but I asked to see her breasts anyway, which she gladly showed. I asked her what was on the menu, and she said anything.

That wasn't quite true. Rubber required for everything. She said that she was $1.5/hr, just like on Craig's list. It was a slow night for her, so she workes the street. This girl loves money, I got her to offer an extra $.50 for blowing on her ches, which I didn't do (waste of money). I was hoping for a BBBJ, but she wanted more cash. Also, I didn't partake in the $1.50/hr, because she wouldn't clarify if it was MSOG or not. So, for you guys who think you can do two shots (or more), try this technique: Bargain for each service. For instance, I negotiated $.3 for CBJ. Then, I asked her if everything was really on the menu, and she said yes, so I said, ok, what about anal. We agreed to $.8.

Yes, it's a liitle high, but despite her protests of treating her clients right, I still didn't trust her. I don't trust any SW. I was afraid of a dash or a denial of service and I don't like to get violent or threaten girls. This way, I got two shots on goal for $1.1. Arguably, I could've had the entire hour (it took me long enough) for $1.5, but I couldn't get a clear answer if it was available. I didn't inquire about DFK, but I probably could've had it.

[Down and Dirty]

Hey, I know the feeling, sometimes I cant wait to bust that nut and nothing like a stupid seastbelt is going to get in the way.

Thanks for posting pics, they are appreciated, just giving you a hard time.

Be safe twice,

DD

[Sabor]

I'm glad to see you had your seatbelt on Jack. You never know what may happen while getting blown.

[jacking4sure]

If you set the goal " I will nut up today" and you have the mindset that "failure is not an option" this is what is likely to happen!

[Speck]

Century(by Hollywood Park) has been shut down for a few months now. LE did a clean sweep of the area.

There isn't anything in Anaheim on the streets either.

Hey All, I'm visiting from Chicago and I went gambling at Hollywood Park. I doubled my money (after like 8 hrs, man, I need a real job). It was 2:30 am and I decided to hit the streets around there. Man, it was absolutely dead. Not one thing, seriously. Not even late night eaters. I haven't read this forum until today, and I only went down to the bottom of the page, but, I guess hookers get vacation, too. I'll try to hit Anaheim in the next couple of days.

Is it really like this all over this time of year? I don't like hunting in the daytime, but I'll consider it if the selection is better. I definitely see a strip club in my future.

[Whorean]

Saw at least 6 SW on Western Ave between Oakwood and 2nd. Most of them were black, one or two being decent looking (and I'm not even into them), but saw 2 or 3 WSW/LSW. They were okay, but doesn't compare to Imagine. I think she spoiled me. And no she hasn't called yet. I don't know if she will ever, but at least she has my number (she asked for it not me). Not much heat either except saw one b/w pull over a SUV near 6th. Seems like Western Ave is becoming the new hoe trail. Didn't even bother checking out the Sunsets. Too far of a drive for me. Anyway, was never really into SWs unless I find one exceptionally cute and low-mileage looking *cough* Imagine. Anyway, this barely legal chick I was banging few months ago needed some money and out of the blue wanted to set something up again. Looks like I'll be her regular, since she's out of cash. Saving up my juices for her.

[Chief_Wiggum]

Hey All, I'm visiting from Chicago and I went gambling at Hollywood Park. I doubled my money (after like 8 hrs, man, I need a real job). It was 2:30 am and I decided to hit the streets around there. Man, it was absolutely dead. Not one thing, seriously. Not even late night eaters. I haven't read this forum until today, and I only went down to the bottom of the page, but, I guess hookers get vacation, too. I'll try to hit Anaheim in the next couple of days.

Is it really like this all over this time of year? I don't like hunting in the daytime, but I'll consider it if the selection is better. I definitely see a strip club in my future.

[DropFrame]

Take a look at this

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsar...SEX.xml&rpc=22

Canadian Supreme Court says Group Sex is Legal

[Luvdahos]

Ooops forgot to add these to my report.