2005 Archived Reports

**Mhoffman** · 11-29-05 02:30

Driving home from the Colts game at about 12:30 this morning and I saw a 20ish WSW between Morris and Lynhurst. Circled the block a few times to try to get a better look, she looked to be about a 7 on the SW scale. I didnt end up stopping because I need to get to work in the morning, but I definitely will be checking out this location again!

**Shadow Rider** · 11-28-05 16:48

I'm more of a night cruiser but decided to check E. Washington and E 10th St. at 1 in the afternoon. It was pouring down as I passed by and I couldn't see a thing but probably wasn't any activity most likely. I might've seen a sw by the payphone at Village Pantry on E. Washinton and Rural but didn't bother to turn around seeing as how it was raining hard and it was daytime.

**Wulfgar** · 11-28-05 16:06

JNimble,

Check my older posts in this thread for reviews of 4 MPs on the Northside (3 of which are AMPs, but one of which appears to be closed). All 3 of the AMPs were about the same, with a total price of around $1 for a massage and a handshake. Now the other one was a MP with American women, and that was much more expensive (around $150 for a topless massage and maybe handshake for 30 minutes) but I got the impression everything was on sale there.

**Toball69** · 11-28-05 13:03

I was in Indy last Sunday and cruised the areas you have mentioned in your posts. I found a very nice young WSW on Rural and enjoyed a bbbj for $.20. When I dropped her off I returned down Washington and saw at least six girls and two were very nice looking. You Indy guys are fortunate to have so many providers. I look forward to my next trip.

**Fudge1** · 11-27-05 13:46

I was out in Los Angeles this past week. With some advice from "Monstercock" in the LA area I went to La Paz, an AMP. Make no mistake, don't expect to get a massage. When they are not busy you can ask to see the line-up. Anyway, I went in, paid $50 for a 1/2 massage. Really cute Asian girl came in and pointed me to shower. I showered alone. Went back to room. She come back to room and points to table. I get on the table. By that time she was nude. She rubbed her 32B bolt-ons on my back for a very short time. She asked me to flip, at which she started very good CBJ which didn't last long enough. She then went to Asian CG. Which lasted too long, my pelvic bones still hurt. Her goal is to get you off as quick as possible so see can move to next customer. Expect to pay $50 plus $100 tip. When I left the place the were 3 Latino men setting there waiting and the rear parking lot was packed.

**Fudge1** · 11-27-05 13:31

There is a AMP on W. Washington. It is almost in Plainfield. You will leave with a happy handshake. I don't thing any other extras area available.

**Db2007** · 11-26-05 15:08

Originally Posted by chelli4me

The city shut down the massage parlors about 15 years ago. Others on this board have posted about AMP's in the Indy area tho. I have no 1st hand knowledge of them, they are out of my financial reach. I'm sure if you made a general post asking for help, the gentlmen on this board will offer what they can.

The AMPs in town usually charge 3 jacksons for a 1 hour massage. Extras can be had if there is a trust.

Also check MassagebyTracie (website) and CentralIndianaMassage (Yahoo Group)

**Chelli4me** · 11-26-05 14:24

Originally Posted by JNimble

Since I'm usually in a hurry, the AMPS Chelli mentioned on 40 might be a good bet for me, too. Can anyone give me more details? I'm not too familiar with the area yet, but thanks to GPS I can find anything with an address or name.

Be safe and have fun!

Jack

The city shut down the massage parlors about 15 years ago. Others on this board have posted about AMP's in the Indy area tho. I have no 1st hand knowledge of them, they are out of my financial reach. I'm sure if you made a general post asking for help, the gentlmen on this board will offer what they can.

**JNimble** · 11-26-05 11:31

I was in Indy last weekend (11/17 - 11/21) and made a few passes along western Washington and 10th from Tibbs to the river and didn't see anything (not even LE)! Granted, I'm still a novice at this hobby, so perhaps I didn't recognize what I was seeing, but there were few folks on the street at all.

I get to Indy every few weeks, and so I'll try again. From the stories on the board, there's a lot of fun to be had (with appropriate caution). One problem I need an answer for is where to go. Since I don't know the hidaways around there, a no-tel might be my best bet. I get the risks of letting her pick a spot or, worse, going back to her ambush, I mean place. Since I don't know the hidaways around there, a no-tel might be my best bet. Recommendations?

Since I'm usually in a hurry, the AMPS Chelli mentioned on 40 might be a good bet for me, too. Can anyone give me more details? I'm not too familiar with the area yet, but thanks to GPS I can find anything with an address or name.

Be safe and have fun!

Jack

**GenerousMaleInd** · 11-25-05 12:40

With all the rip offs and scams and hard to find SW. I have a lady that I hook up with from time to time. She is not skinny but she is a nice clean hookup. Guys she IS big and not pretty but she is pretty wild and loves a good session. She is free during the day at her place only on the west side close to 10th and Holt. Pm me if you would like her number.

**Wulfgar** · 11-23-05 23:59

Originally Posted by Broad St Guy

...And just my thoughts here. Remember - the vast majority of these ho's are drug users. No matter what BS they tell you. Remember to always think with the thinking head and not with your helmet head. It is safer that way. No offense to the last two guys, as we have all been jipped, but they classic examples of setups to get your cash. Always be in control. If their are others involved in your date, then leave. You are just setting yourself up if their is a dude there, even if she claims it is her boyfriend or brother. It is not. It is her dealer or pimp. Be wise and safe out there.

Good point. There is definitely a risk of being set up if you go back to "her" place. Though, I'm still not sure what I experienced was a setup, or at least an intentional one. It just really doesn't make any sense. If she wanted to run a classic scam, she would have had the room empty when we got there, gotten the money, and then received a pre-arranged call from the "boyfriend", who would have been nearby. Of course, no one ever said that this chick and her "boyfriend" were tactical geniuses. Maybe they had a plan and it was really that convoluted. Either way, I've learned my lesson.

And just my opinion - but carrying weapons is insane. You are already involved in something that draws attention by LE, now if you got caught, don't you think they are going to search you? And what if you got into a situation where you had to maybe use it? Think you really could? This is real life and not a John Wayne movie. There are consequences for discharging a firearm, so be prepared to face the music and embarressment of everybody knowing what you were doing when you got caught.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion on this one, but I don't agree (obviously, given my last post).

In Indiana, and in Ohio for that matter, carrying a firearm with a permit isn't illegal at all and a DA would be hard pressed to somehow create a weapons charge to tack onto what is normally a finable offense (soliciting). I've been pulled over for speeding before with my weapon on me, and I just made sure to let the officer know that I have a weapon in the vehicle and give them my permit with my driver's license (and make sure to keep my hands in plain sight). I've never had a problem and most of the policemen have been glad that I let them know up front (at least they told me that, I guess they could have been lying). I even got pulled over in Ohio while carrying (I forgot to unload my pistol when driving across the border). They asked me if I was had a weapon in the car and I said I did and explained the situation. They proceeded to search my vehicle, but after that, they gave me my gun back and let me go (after telling me that I can't carry a loaded gun on me in Ohio without a permit). Now granted, these could completely be the exception to the rule, I can't say for sure.

As to whether I could use it, I'm fairly sure I could if I had to (I wouldn't carry it otherwise). But statistically speaking, 99.99% of the time, just letting the other guy know you are armed prevents anything from happening. As you said, a lot of these girls are involved in drugs, and I'm not going to make the assumptions that some dude on meth or crack is going to be happy with just taking my wallet and letting me go on my merry way. If the choice is between being stabbed or facing potential public humiliation, I think I'll choose the humiliation (I'm not really a death before dishonor type of guy).

If you are in a situation where you are being ripped off. Better to leave and chalk it up to a loss. It is safer and you do not draw attention. Do you really want your family and friends to know over 30 or 40 lousy bucks? Better just to be safe, be smart and do not get into these situations.

Definitely agreed on this part. You should only resort to any sort of force if you are immenent danger of being harmed, and that does not include losing a few dollars. But take what Indy Cruiser faced the other day. He was in an interior room of a dwelling with a drunk guy standing in the doorway holding a knife. You can all say that he shouldn't have gotten into that situation, but we all make mistakes at times, and knowing he shouldn't have gone there wasn't going to help him get out. Luckily for him, all it took was letting the guy know he was armed to turn the situation around and to let him get out of it without anyone getting hurt (and most importantly, without him getting hurt).

Anyway, that's my take on it. Everyone stay sharp and be safe out there. I think I'm going to make a visit to GG this weekend, where I can be fairly sure I'll have a good time... even though my wallet won't ;-)

**Chelli4me** · 11-23-05 22:23

Sure does happen. I've been victim a few times myself. Once recently with a gal I've known for years. There is alot of good advice in the post below with the 22 "rules". The one I most strongly agree with is to NOT say anything other than offering a ride as long as she is not in your vehicle. There for sure are SW's that won't immediately jump in, but it has been my experience that 99% of them will. It has also been my experience, everywhere I have lived, that LE posing as SW will NOT get in your vehicle. But laws can, and do, change. Used to be lots of MP's in Marion county, a few real good ones out on west 40. 5-6-7 gals working on friday and saturday nights, at least 3-4 other nights. (and they were always squeaky clean!) Didn't have to go crusing for a SW, just drive there, TCB, go home happy!

**Broad St Guy** · 11-23-05 16:59

Hey - I am from Columbus - but I like to read the Indy boards as you all are not that far away, and who knows - I might end up their some night. Anyway, here is a good list of rules to abide by. They have been posted numerous times by numerous mongers on the board. I take no credit for them, but there are a couple douchebags on here who do and get their panties in a bunch if they are posted without giving them their due. Whatever. And just my thoughts here. Remember - the vast majority of these ho's are drug users. No matter what BS they tell you. Remember to always think with the thinking head and not with your helmet head. It is safer that way. No offense to the last two guys, as we have all been jipped, but they classic examples of setups to get your cash. Always be in control. If their are others involved in your date, then leave. You are just setting yourself up if their is a dude there, even if she claims it is her boyfriend or brother. It is not. It is her dealer or pimp. Be wise and safe out there.

And just my opinion - but carrying weapons is insane. You are already involved in something that draws attention by LE, now if you got caught, don't you think they are going to search you? And what if you got into a situation where you had to maybe use it? Think you really could? This is real life and not a John Wayne movie. There are consequences for discharging a firearm, so be prepared to face the music and embarressment of everybody knowing what you were doing when you got caught.

If you are in a situation where you are being ripped off. Better to leave and chalk it up to a loss. It is safer and you do not draw attention. Do you really want your family and friends to know over 30 or 40 lousy bucks? Better just to be safe, be smart and do not get into these situations.

Here are the rules.

22 Rules for SW Mongering

1. IS SHE? - It ain't like in the movies - at least, not in Da Burgh! They wear ordinary clothes, and are just walking alone, with no bags, or maybe making a phone call at a pay phone (but if you checked, there's no one on the line). Believe it or not, a girl walking alone and without shopping bags on a hobbyist street is almost always a SW.

2. If you aren't sure, come back in a few minutes. Non-pros who happen to be walking are going somewhere, which isn't up and down the same stretch of road. And on hobbyist streets, the local women tend to avoid looking like they might be in business, unless they are!

3. If she is watching traffic, she's probably a SW.

4. If she makes eye contact with you, she's probably a SW.

5. If she then smiles at you, she is a SW. After all, you're just some dude driving by.

6. If she's with a "boyfriend", who disappears when you come around again, he's pimping her. Be careful! Don't unlock the door until she's ready to get in, with him nowhere to be seen! If you follow these rules, you're in control of the situation.

7. THE PICKUP - Pull over at the next parking lot, or around the next corner and park nearby. If you're sure she saw you - smile back at her, dummy! - then feel free to pull further down the block, so it's not so easily observed by LE. She'll casually turn down your block, walk past - and then suddenly walk up to see if you're letting her in. Keep eye contact, keep smiling - invite her in.

8. Lock the other doors! You're in a crime-filled neighborhood!

9. AVOIDING LE STINGS - Do not EVER EVER EVER discuss anything with a girl who isn't seated in your car, except to offer her a ride. THAT'S ALL YOU'RE DOING! IT'S LEGAL! Just being a nice guy... On every board I've seen, LE always tries to make the bust without the F LE risking her ass by getting in. READ THIS RULE AGAIN! IT'S IMPORTANT!

10. This is the perfect time for LE to pull you over for rolling through a stop sign, just to harass your ass. Drive like a preacher! It's an effective way of intimidating we hobbyists, and they'll use any opportunity if they're watching.

11. Make a turn or two before discussing $$, just in case. Watch your rear view - you can bet she will, too! I've never heard of LE getting in the car, with a follower, but better safe than sorry. A known LE trick - she doesn't get in, but directs you to meet her around the corner. Guess who's waiting there, instead of her? If she doesn't get in right away, move on!

12. AVOIDING SCAMS - If you do a car date, and you let her pick the spot (she'll try to direct you), be aware that she may be setting you up for a robbery. Don't settle for her spot - or at least, force her to come up with a second choice. Her boyfriend can't be in two places at once.

13. If you go back to a hotel, and she picked it, be aware that this could be a setup for cash&dash, or her pimp busting in & robbing you.

14. If you go back to her place - are you mad? The "boyfriend busting in mad, waving a gun" scam probably happens a lot - since the victims won't report the robbery, they get by with it, even though the victims know where the robbers are staying!

15. If you go back to your hotel, um, have fun! (OK, that's not a rule. If you go back to your hotel, be discreet so the mgmt doesn't call LE on you.)

16. If you go back to your house - are you really ok with a potentially-addicted SW knowing where you live?

17. WALLET - Do not leave your wallet within her reach. If you think you know a clever spot to hide it, remember that 100's of others have thought of it, too. While you're distracted, her free hand can be working...

18. MONEY - Do not have more in your pocket than you want to spend. She (and your dick) will talk it out of you. If she's really worth an extra few dollars, you can go get it (out of the trunk, the ATM, your other pocket, whatever). Current street rates are 20 for BJ, 40-50 for FS, and you can tip later if you think it's worth it. Remember, it isn't worth it just because you came. She'll always demand a tip, if she thinks it's coming. Many will claim they "usually charge more" - the word on this board is: they don't. But, hey, some of these girls are hard-working, quality-driven providers, even though they're SW (really - I mean it!), and they deserve a break.

19. HUNTING HOURS: They're out at all times, in most weather. I've heard of them walking as early as 4:30am, and well past midnight. They work the lunch hours for guys on lunch, afternoons for guys on early shifts, mornings for guys who'll be late for work, and all through the evening and night. If it's lightly raining, there will be less, but there will be some. Most of these girls are drug addicts; their addiction doesn't have a "M-F, excluding legal holidays" schedule.

20. CFS!!! Carry a condom. Usually, they don't have one (which I think is so fuc*ing stupid, but then, if they had a clue they wouldn't be SW-ing). You don't want to be tempted to skip the cover because that pussy is so fine.

And the freebie: Every time some SW claims "I'm the best! I'm worth more", it really means, "I'm a lame-ass lying lazy talentless junkie!" The good ones don't have to brag; they'll get your return business.

21. Don't let her use your cellphone. It's a very common request. She'll call her friend, or her own phone, and that will give her access to your # - which might set you up for unexpected & inopportune calls for business or bail money.

22. Be friendly. As has been noted in other threads, these are people with feelings, not just automaton sex dispensers. If you're friendly, chatty, and warm, she'll open up, relax, and probably be more generous with her service, in all the little ways that matter most. Remember, if she's never hooked up with you before, she's worried that you might be either LE, or some psycho SW-stalker.

**Be A Clone** · 11-23-05 09:22

Originally Posted by dwdstl

I had some luck last evening around 8PM at 10th and Wallace. Not a girl that I would consider banging, because when I say big I mean pretty stinking large ... Her name was Brenda, longer brown hair and I am guessing 30 years old and 150lbs, she was no disappointment.

When you said pretty stinking big, I was thinking 200-250. My wife is 5'7" and 140, and not a bit of fat on her, so I'm confused now. And I have had my share of the fat girl scene. I know they have something to prove with their mouth, but the pussy is even sweeter. Take care out there.

**Wulfgar** · 11-22-05 22:33

I went out last night, on the E. Washington and 10th st run, around 10pm. After seeing what appeared to be an abundance of girls on 10th, as soon as I went to try to pick one up, they all seemed to disappear. I cruised for about another hour and was ready to go home, when I made one last pass on Washington. I saw a WSW, just past Lindwood, and caught her eye. I turned a corner and she followed and hopped in. Now that I could see her, she appeared be in her 40's and a bit dumpy, but I decided what the hell. She told me her name was Sherrie or something like that, and that she had a hotel room.

She directed me the Budget Inn East off of Shadeland (which was quite a drive away). On the way, she gave me her life story and assured me that she was a good person. Apparently, she had been sharing her hotel room (paid by her nightly earnings) with her daughter who worked at the Penn Station on Shadeland nearby (she told me I could get a discount by going in and telling her daughter I was a friend of her, which struck as a bit odd).

Anyway, as we get there, she lets me know that her brother is staying with her and she would tell him to take a hike for a bit. This made me a bit nervous, but the fact that the "brother" turned out to be a 40ish scrawny dude about 5'5 alleviated that a bit (I'm not a small guy and I could have snapped him in half, not to mention I carry my .380). The guy seemed cool and took off. We negotiated for FS for .5, and after she had stripped down to her bra and panties, she asked for the money. Well, with her mostly naked and the door locked (and chained), I figured that was no big deal. Right about here is where is went completely out of control.

After she got the money, she realized that she didn't have a cover. She initially looked for her brother to go get one, but not finding him, she asked me to run to the gas station nearby and get one (along with a pack of cigs). I rather fooolishly agreed (she even gave me $5 to pay for it). After coming back to the room, she tells me that her ex-boyfriend just called and that he was coming by to get a bag he had left. She asked me to sit out in my car for 10 minutes or so, until he left. That's the point at which I should have demanded my money back. Chalk this up to stupidity I guess.

I go back to my car, and wait about 30 minutes. As I was about to go up there and demand to know what was going on, a car pulls up and late 20's or early 30's black guy, who looked a hell of a lot like Ice T, goes up to the same room (ex-boyfriend... I guess he couldn't do better than this chick). Anyway, after about 10 minutes, he comes out with the said bag. Except instead of going to his car, he comes over to my window and motions me to roll it down. I comply (with one hand on my pistol). He tells me that his girlfriend told him that I would give him the $20 she owed him. WTF? I tell him that she has all my money and that he needs to get it from her. So he goes back upstairs.

At this point, I figured that the "ex-boyfriend" was her drug dealer, and I need to be getting ready to get the hell out of there. As soon as he goes back into the room, she comes scurrying out and comes over to my car. She asks what her "ex" had told me, and assured me that he was making stuff up. She implored me to wait another 10 minutes and that he would be leaving very soon, and then goes back up.

Well, after another 10 minutes (when will I ever learn), the "ex" comes back out and tells me that I need to leave and come back tomorrow, since he had no intention of leaving that night. I tell him that is fine with me, as long as she gives me my money back. After going back and forth for a few minutes, she comes out and tells me the same thing. At this point I was pretty pissed. I weighed my options, deciding whether or not to force the issue, but realizing that there were 2 squad cars sitting at the Holiday in, next to the Budget Inn (for some reason), I decided I was being pretty dumb, considering I was only out $.5, and just cut out of there.

So either this was the most complicated scam ever (with a pretty foolish dupe, I must admit) or this was the most f'ed up scenario I've ever gotten myself into (well, recently).

The lesson: don't be stupid like I was. Never give the money upfront, even if it seems like a sure thing. If you do get scammed, just let it go and get out of there. $.5 isn't worth getting snatched up by LE.