The Raleigh area "Sugar Bowl" (SA, WYP, SD4 ME)

[John HandCock]

I have seen it both ways with arrangements concerning up front disclosure of amount and 'do you low ball or go ahead and pay up'. I struggle with both. I feel I scare some girls off talking amounts and I do not want to pay too much but I also realize what these girls are doing and what I would have to pay up going any other route be it BP or civie.

What I really wanted to comment on was the statement that you could always reduce the amount. I have been doing this for a long time. I don't invest the time or brain power that most guys commenting on here do but I have been around. And I have read the Richmond forum for years before everyone knew about it. In the words of Hollywood 'you can never go back'. Even my long long term sb (we were basically dating in some aspects) that I had a one year pause in hookups wouldn't let it go without comment and bad attitude that I slightly cut the amount.

You can never come down and it work out well.

Yeah HG also if I remember reading correctly had a $ maximum and deducted any expenses that occurred during the date from that $. So if that works then decreasing an arrangement after time can be done, depending on the girl and the relationship. I've done it a couple of times onlong term sb's. Again it depends on the relationship you have. I also depending on the girl pay a higher arrangement for the first meeting (fc) and advise them its a one time deal and if they want to continue then its at a lesser amount. I usually drop it by $ and have around a 75% return rate on that. There are varying strategies, game plans, to this sd / sb game that myself have a hard time believing actually works but there is always exceptions to the rules. I have also used the rule anytime I think this is more than a transaction cut the $$ completely and see if they still stick around.

[SkinJr]

I have seen it both ways with arrangements concerning up front disclosure of amount and 'do you low ball or go ahead and pay up'. I struggle with both. I feel I scare some girls off talking amounts and I do not want to pay too much but I also realize what these girls are doing and what I would have to pay up going any other route be it BP or civie.

What I really wanted to comment on was the statement that you could always reduce the amount. I have been doing this for a long time. I don't invest the time or brain power that most guys commenting on here do but I have been around. And I have read the Richmond forum for years before everyone knew about it. In the words of Hollywood 'you can never go back'. Even my long long term sb (we were basically dating in some aspects) that I had a one year pause in hookups wouldn't let it go without comment and bad attitude that I slightly cut the amount.

You can never come down and it work out well.

I never talk arrangements until the last of the m / g. If we are both in agreement to move forward then every aspect of the arrangement is discussed. We both know what to expect. I find that if this is done then she is not wondering what she gets out of the deal or if she is going to be completely stiffed. To many girls complain about being taken by guys who leave little to nothing at all. I certainly have never worked a job not knowing what I was being paid and doubt very few here would either. I also ask while setting up a m / g that if things go well if she is able to go to the fc afterwards. This gives her a heads up that she might need to allocate more time than just for a m / g. As far as the $$$ goes a true sb definitely deserve more than what you pay a BP girl for an hour. I hear so much about game playing into this but your mutual beneficial arrangement is number 1 on most of their list. They can fuck whoever they want for free, so your personality comes in 2nd in this sport. If things are good between you then later down the road you can decrease your arrangement if she wants to keep seeing you. Girls are learning that promises of something steady are just that. Most guys negotiate with promises of being steady but usually ghost after the first or second meeting. So the girls who are doing this for side money now have learned to up their prices, take the bigger offer, and if he never shows again its no loss. Just some of my thoughts on the subject.

[ManishRaleigh]

Have an M&G with Ashleymashley.

https://www.seekingarrangement.com/m...c-74bc6e5f7e12

Anyone seen her? Any intel is appreciated.

[JMonger]

I'm in the last 24 hours of my subscription and I'm suddenly getting interest (profile views), favorited, and messages from all over the place. Most of them not in my geographic area. Over thirty at this point, and I still have time to go. I'm betting my profile has been put in a prominent position in many women's searches (at best) - or I'm receiving 'interest' from bots (at worst).

It has kept me busy removing all the notices so that I still see the ones of interest.

Just an interesting feature of this website.

[John HandCock]

Let's assume there are four different "places" in the "process" where the POT is asking for $$$ (or more). 1. The SA inbox 2. Your cell phone 3. The M & G 4. The FC. I am a big believer in NOT committing to a dollar amount until after the FC romp, at which time I quietly slip an envelope with a pretty card into her purse. If we had a good time and I intend to repeat I put $$ in the card, if it was not a good time then I put $. 5 in the card. The $. 5 rarely happens bc I typically have qualified the POT prior to the FC.

Now, how do I respond if the POT asks what kind of gift she could expect. If she asks in the SA inbox then I ask her to text me (leverage for the cell number so I can see if the number takes me to her FB). If she asks me in a cell phone message then I respond with "it depends on how much fun we have". I then move the convo to a day and time for the M & G. There needs to be enough finesse in the messaging so that she does not feel like the SD is lame, arrogant or disrespectful, but in fact a guy who sounds like a lot of fun. I then confirm the M & G the night before and the day of. When we meet for the M & G I have already booked a hotel room close to the M & G with a late afternoon cancellation deadline. After about ten to twenty minutes of the M & G (coffee, drinks, appetizer, etc) if we seem to click then I simply ask her "are you ok with a hotel date?" I have never in my two years in the bowl have had a POT say no to that question. If the POT does again ask what amount of gift can she expect I give the same answer. If by chance that non answer presents a problem for her, then no matter how stunning she may be I have to call it off. Because that tells me that she is not sold on me, either in terms of trust, appearance or my game. From her point of view she has to understand that I happen to be a weekly regular kind of SD. Yes I like variety but I also like to have a fun fwb type I can see every week. Believe me if you asked the POTS if they had a choice between a weekly SD they liked for a $$ per visit vs having to hustle with phone texting for the "one and done" $$$ SDs, they will tell you they much prefer the weekly $$ they can count on. But of course not all of us are looking for the weekly regular SB.

I know there are a good percentage of SDs in our local area who are providing $$$. I know this because my regular SB who hosts me once or twice a week ($ to $$) tells me she routinely gets $$$ on her other SD dates. Guys you are overpaying, worse it raises the gift level expectations. Remember these girls are not the BP pros that we had to negotiate for the hh or hr amount (or GFE, or BBBJ, etc) before we showed up at their motel with the outside doors. Moreover, there are two major advantages of not committing to the gift amount until after the romp. One, you stay in control. Second, they will put more effort into the romp. Just sayin' .

I never talk arrangements until the last of the m / g. If we are both in agreement to move forward then every aspect of the arrangement is discussed. We both know what to expect. I find that if this is done then she is not wondering what she gets out of the deal or if she is going to be completely stiffed. To many girls complain about being taken by guys who leave little to nothing at all. I certainly have never worked a job not knowing what I was being paid and doubt very few here would either. I also ask while setting up a m / g that if things go well if she is able to go to the fc afterwards. This gives her a heads up that she might need to allocate more time than just for a m / g. As far as the $$$ goes a true sb definitely deserve more than what you pay a BP girl for an hour. I hear so much about game playing into this but your mutual beneficial arrangement is number 1 on most of their list. They can fuck whoever they want for free, so your personality comes in 2nd in this sport. If things are good between you then later down the road you can decrease your arrangement if she wants to keep seeing you. Girls are learning that promises of something steady are just that. Most guys negotiate with promises of being steady but usually ghost after the first or second meeting. So the girls who are doing this for side money now have learned to up their prices, take the bigger offer, and if he never shows again its no loss. Just some of my thoughts on the subject.

[StormyTuesday]

I never understand this odd term "FC" in reference to a true SB. A good SB, there is a lot more then just that end game.

Yes, I agree, though I do use the FC (fuck chamber) acronym in my posting efforts to provide tips regarding the process of transitioning the POT to a SB. My favorite SBs have always evolved into FWBs who I enjoy spending time with them outside the FC as much as I do inside the FC. (Well almost).

[StormyTuesday]

I've recently run through about 5-6 potentails and all of them are asking $$$ or more. Any insights? I thought things were dropping or leveling off. I just thank them for their time and move on, but man I must be picking some bad ones right now. Any tips for keeping things on the lower end? Not trying to low ball, nor do I want to break the bank.

Let's assume there are four different "places" in the "process" where the POT is asking for $$$ (or more). 1. The SA inbox 2. Your cell phone 3. The M & G 4. The FC. I am a big believer in NOT committing to a dollar amount until after the FC romp, at which time I quietly slip an envelope with a pretty card into her purse. If we had a good time and I intend to repeat I put $$ in the card, if it was not a good time then I put $. 5 in the card. The $. 5 rarely happens bc I typically have qualified the POT prior to the FC.

Now, how do I respond if the POT asks what kind of gift she could expect. If she asks in the SA inbox then I ask her to text me (leverage for the cell number so I can see if the number takes me to her FB). If she asks me in a cell phone message then I respond with "it depends on how much fun we have". I then move the convo to a day and time for the M & G. There needs to be enough finesse in the messaging so that she does not feel like the SD is lame, arrogant or disrespectful, but in fact a guy who sounds like a lot of fun. I then confirm the M & G the night before and the day of. When we meet for the M & G I have already booked a hotel room close to the M & G with a late afternoon cancellation deadline. After about ten to twenty minutes of the M & G (coffee, drinks, appetizer, etc) if we seem to click then I simply ask her "are you ok with a hotel date?" I have never in my two years in the bowl have had a POT say no to that question. If the POT does again ask what amount of gift can she expect I give the same answer. If by chance that non answer presents a problem for her, then no matter how stunning she may be I have to call it off. Because that tells me that she is not sold on me, either in terms of trust, appearance or my game. From her point of view she has to understand that I happen to be a weekly regular kind of SD. Yes I like variety but I also like to have a fun fwb type I can see every week. Believe me if you asked the POTS if they had a choice between a weekly SD they liked for a $$ per visit vs having to hustle with phone texting for the "one and done" $$$ SDs, they will tell you they much prefer the weekly $$ they can count on. But of course not all of us are looking for the weekly regular SB.

I know there are a good percentage of SDs in our local area who are providing $$$. I know this because my regular SB who hosts me once or twice a week ($ to $$) tells me she routinely gets $$$ on her other SD dates. Guys you are overpaying, worse it raises the gift level expectations. Remember these girls are not the BP pros that we had to negotiate for the hh or hr amount (or GFE, or BBBJ, etc) before we showed up at their motel with the outside doors. Moreover, there are two major advantages of not committing to the gift amount until after the romp. One, you stay in control. Second, they will put more effort into the romp. Just sayin' .

[Aswerty9111]

Cubancolombianbaby. Says she never had an arrangements depsite the 9/2016 sign up date. Also said she wants to bring girl friend along for the meet, because beingher first meet, she's not comfortable about it. Hmm.

https://www.seekingarrangement.com/m...b-7ede63bfdbd7

[Raltime]

I've recently run through about 5-6 potentails and all of them are asking $$$ or more. Any insights? I thought things were dropping or leveling off. I just thank them for their time and move on, but man I must be picking some bad ones right now. Any tips for keeping things on the lower end? Not trying to low ball, nor do I want to break the bank.

Why do you say bad ones??

It is based on their needs, or fantasies, and supply and demand. Maybe you are picking from the mid shelf or top shelf and need to select lower, look for the Red Label liquor. If the girl is real, and a real SB and has something unique, and not a pro, she is not going to jump in bed with the first fat guy talking with her. SB is not backpage, (there are backpage girls there). Also, there are a lot of girls out there willing to go lower, but they usually have issues.

[Righton1960]

I've recently run through about 5-6 potentails and all of them are asking $$$ or more. Any insights? I thought things were dropping or leveling off. I just thank them for their time and move on, but man I must be picking some bad ones right now. Any tips for keeping things on the lower end? Not trying to low ball, nor do I want to break the bank.

[RWarNmsn69]

Interesting! The blonde asked to meet at a bar a couple of Friday's ago but I was busy and never replied.

Now I never will. Thanks for the heads up!

Yaya.

You're welcome Yaya! The blonde had been fairly aggressive in asking me out before but I didn’t connect the two of them or I might have passed. I wouldn't want any other forum member taken like I was though.

Safe mongering and sugaring!

[Raltime]

Fuck Chamber, I believe.

I never understand this odd term "FC" in reference to a true SB. A good SB, there is a lot more then just that end game.

[Triptogamont]

Seen it mentioned a few times, read the FF, could not find its definition. I assume it is a "full consummation" or something similar to a SD / SB relationship?

Fuck Chamber, I believe.

[Mark User]

Seen it mentioned a few times, read the FF, could not find its definition. I assume it is a "full consummation" or something similar to a SD / SB relationship?

[YayaGogo]

Attached is a Facebook picture of the two women with "Carter" on the left and "Tatum" on the right. If you're currently in contact with these two, I'd recommend for you to cease all contact. You've been warned!

Safe mongering and sugaring!

Interesting! The blonde asked to meet at a bar a couple of Friday's ago but I was busy and never replied.

Now I never will. Thanks for the heads up!

Yaya.