The Raleigh area "Sugar Bowl" (SA, WYP, SD4 ME)

[ArmyNiceGuy]

Hey there gents! I just wanted share some tips that have served me well. Also, I've been doing a lot of surfing the net from the sugar baby's point of view to get a better idea of how they think and I've got a heaping ton of info for why'all.

Negotiating tips: Lots of babies seem to throw out a number that's usually 40% or more higher than what they will settle for. Can't blame them really if some daddy will be happy to pay that, but you can sweet talk them lower. Also, I always try to put off negotiation until the m&g. If I can buy some time to spit a little game, emphasize my youth, get them laughing, the allowance will go down. If they want a monthly allowance, I tell them that I don't like to do that anymore and in my experience per meet is always easier for everyone, let them know they never have to worry about you ghosting if you pay per meet. You also don't have to worry about them ghosting on you if they are foolish enough to expect monthly up front. Moreover, if come at you first with a per meet figure that's a little high, tell then you are used to monthly and tell them your usual monthly allowance averages out to a per meet number lower than their initial asking price.

Date tips: Never underestimate the power of chocolate. One of those fancy artisanal chocolate bars makes a great little token to give at a M&G or date to show you care. They can also just put it in their purse so it's discreet. I like to give allowance inside a cheap but cute or funny greeting card, it makes the baby feel like it's less of a transaction. Also chicks love cards.

FC tips. Most hotels will offer an early check in, good idea to call ahead if it's a daytime date. A cheaper hotel in a good area is usually better than a better hotel in a not so good area. I've had good luck with extended stays near business districts. Most other guests won't be paying attention to other people's business and prices are usually lower on weekend date nights because they cater to the midweek business crowd. Just make sure it's clean, no one wants bedbugs. Bring a cheap disposable electronic cigarette to the FC. If a baby turns out to be a smoker, getting dressed to go outside for a smoke can kill the mood if you're looking for round two. A five dollar ecig just might keep her naked and in the room with you after the first round of sex.

Now for the inside info: These girls may not have handlers but they are organized (just like us). Don't underestimate these girls, especially the smart college ones. They were born into the Information Age and know how to use social media. There are uncountable numbers of ****** posts with advice for them as well as lots of info on reddit. This one ****** post has over 200+ links of tips and advice for sugar babies. Most of it is innocent enough, make up tips, seduction, etiquette, safety, etc. Some of it is shit we need to know though! One article is all about how to milk every dime you can out of daddy. Good reading regardless!

https://shadow-kissed-demon.******.c...ide-w-200-tips

Stay safe out there gents.

Edit this site seems to edit out the name of a website that sounds a lot like tumbler, replace the asterisks in the link to go where you need to.

[Pubb69]

Oh, to have the bank account and energy you have! .

Half are meet and greet walk aways.

[Mark User]

On a mission to meet them all.

Anyone have any useful info on her.

Going to have a detailed report on at least 10 coming out soon.

Oh, to have the bank account and energy you have! .

[Pubb69]

On a mission to meet them all.

Anyone have any useful info on her.

Going to have a detailed report on at least 10 coming out soon.

[Pubb69]

Carter and her literal partner in crime Tatum, have been discussed here previously. Back in September / October they robbed one us brothers, avoid like the plague!

Glad I avoided that skank.

[DirtyDeeds38]

I've got to be a top 5 experienced SD in the area, been at this little hobby locally for the past five years. I've recently hooked up with another local SD and we party, trade dates, setup fun times with the girls, drinks, hotel parties, mini orgies, threesomes, girls bringing their friends to us, etc, etc, etc. For the record, nothing illegal and no paying for sex and no offering girls for $, no demons, no drugs, nobody underage. . All legit, legal having fun, so if you're someone into risky illegal shit, do not hit me up. I'm not getting into trouble over sugar dating. LOL. That said, if you're a like minded brother and want to meet up and play the scene locally with some drinks, share some war stories and connections, send me a PM. You'd be surprised what two like minded brothers can stir up out there! One rule I always keep, we both keep our private lives, private! And I will always respect that!

[ArmyNiceGuy]

I went against my rule of meeting them first and had her come over, big mistake.

I didn't treat her like a BP girl she acted like exactly that. Either way I think we both agree that she is not worth a repeat.

No Worries, not saying you treated her like one. Just saying skipping the M&G may have put a bad taste in her mouth. Ba dump bump cha!

On an interesting side note though I recently had a great covered FS date with a 20 yo traveling baby from charlotte. She prefers to skip the m&g because she gets ghosted too much but we had a great 1. 5 hr GFE date meeting at the fc (something I generally don't do as well) It can be a pain to read these girls sometimes.

[ArmyNiceGuy]

After a few messages back and forth we agreed to a meet and greet tonight.

Nothing discussed in the way of money until I was ready to leave the house after confirming.

The last text she sent me was " I don't know if we discussed compensation but it will be $500".

This is for a 30 minute meeting are these women out of their fucking minds!

Carter and her literal partner in crime Tatum, have been discussed here previously. Back in September / October they robbed one us brothers, avoid like the plague!

[Pubb69]

After a few messages back and forth we agreed to a meet and greet tonight.

Nothing discussed in the way of money until I was ready to leave the house after confirming.

The last text she sent me was " I don't know if we discussed compensation but it will be $500".

This is for a 30 minute meeting are these women out of their fucking minds!

[Pubb69]

Sorry to hear your date didn't go as well as mine. In my date we still had a little more than an hour in the FC (despite some performance issues I was having) after we had dinner. She did have a friend drive her to the m&g (and was up front about it), but drove herself on our dinner / fc date (I checked). It does take a lot to get her out of her shell, really had to work my game. The m&g was a little awkward, but by the end of of dinner, and before heading to the fc, she was opening up a bit more and was laughing at my jokes. Did you two do a m&g at all beforehand or was it first meet at the fc? It was still not the greatest sugar date ever with her limited menu (bit of a pillow princess), but I still fingered, licked, and banged (for the short time I could keep it up) her to a couple O's. I think a M&g might have made a difference, maybe if a baby feels like she's being treated like a backpage girl, she's more inclined to act like one?

I went against my rule of meeting them first and had her come over, big mistake.

I didn't treat her like a BP girl she acted like exactly that. Either way I think we both agree that she is not worth a repeat.

[ArmyNiceGuy]

I somewhat disagreed about the handler as she was dropped off by a guy she claimed was her roommate. First she said it was.

A woman than at the end said he is waiting for me.

I was not happy that she lied about driving herself than they figure your thinking with the little head and won't mind if they rush out in 15 minutes, told her ahead of time that I was tired of that b. S. Especially with the cost involved so she goes ahead and does it anyway. Beyond shyness she was lifeless and had no personality either. Basicly she is a hundred dollar date asking 3 times as much so either avoid or only offer what she is worth, I won't repeat either way.

Sorry to hear your date didn't go as well as mine. In my date we still had a little more than an hour in the FC (despite some performance issues I was having) after we had dinner. She did have a friend drive her to the m&g (and was up front about it), but drove herself on our dinner / fc date (I checked). It does take a lot to get her out of her shell, really had to work my game. The m&g was a little awkward, but by the end of of dinner, and before heading to the fc, she was opening up a bit more and was laughing at my jokes. Did you two do a m&g at all beforehand or was it first meet at the fc? It was still not the greatest sugar date ever with her limited menu (bit of a pillow princess), but I still fingered, licked, and banged (for the short time I could keep it up) her to a couple O's. I think a M&g might have made a difference, maybe if a baby feels like she's being treated like a backpage girl, she's more inclined to act like one?

[Pubb69]

Updates on Deeogeebby and kissesbella.

KissesBella, very attractive, legit, legal, doubt has a handler. Limited menu and shyness probably a dealbreaker for most though.

Deeogeebby. Had a few good dates but demons 100% confirmed on last date. Behavior has become erratic as well. Sweet girl but in a bad place. Avoid at all costs!

I somewhat disagreed about the handler as she was dropped off by a guy she claimed was her roommate. First she said it was.

A woman than at the end said he is waiting for me.

I was not happy that she lied about driving herself than they figure your thinking with the little head and won't mind if they rush out in 15 minutes, told her ahead of time that I was tired of that b. S. Especially with the cost involved so she goes ahead and does it anyway. Beyond shyness she was lifeless and had no personality either. Basicly she is a hundred dollar date asking 3 times as much so either avoid or only offer what she is worth, I won't repeat either way.

[ArmyNiceGuy]

Updates on Deeogeebby and kissesbella.

KissesBella, very attractive, legit, legal, doubt has a handler. Limited menu and shyness probably a dealbreaker for most though.

Deeogeebby. Had a few good dates but demons 100% confirmed on last date. Behavior has become erratic as well. Sweet girl but in a bad place. Avoid at all costs!

[Pubb69]

She has been on there regularly so I tried setting up something. I agreed originally to her high asking price because she appears hot and promised non rush, than she suggests an initial meeting over dinner. I was all set up for today but than I get a message.

From her that she requires a gift of compensation just to meet.

Again another case of GPS so I cancelled, I have given small gifts for initial neutral site meetings before before but was turned off by the request.

[YayaGogo]

Hello brothers, wondering if any of you have dealt with kissesbella (20, Durham)? Had a pretty good m&g with her and am setting up a date with a trip to the fc. She's real and I would bet money demon-free, but can't shake the feeling this one might have some kind of handler.

Speaking of handlers, I actually doubt most of these girls on S. A. Have one. Most likely they are coaching each other. They have got to be networking or sharing info somehow though. Whether it's a forum out there (much like us here) or some kind of social media, I've been searching for info geared toward sugar babies, and will report back if I find something relevant.

Thanks brothers, stay safe out there.

I was thinking about contacting her myself, but never did as I had the same thoughts. Let us know how it goes, and good luck!

Yaya.