2000-2004 Archived Reports

[Banker Boy]

Heading into SF this weekend for business.

Staying in Union Square at the St. Francis.

Is GF or Sun Spa anywhere near that hotel? I've been reading page after page of trip reports, and I'm unable to find the addresses of these two AMPs.

Thanks!

[MondaysChilde]

DM, the Cinema is a real sleazy place. The uninformed are like shark bait in there.

Read up in S.F. Redbook dot com.

[DM Ready]

Market Street Theater BEWARE!

I don't know if anyone posted a message about this but this place is a ripe-off. Every experience I have had at this place makes me wonder why I ever return to get ripped off agian.

Anyone else have any experience like this because it does happen and I know I am not the only one.

DM Ready!

[James D 2004]

Alhambra 47% Asian 36% Hispanic
San Gabriel 49% Asian 31% Hispanic
Monterey Park 62% Asian 29% Hispanic
Rowland Heights 50% Asian 28% Hispanic
Diamond Bar 43% Asian 19% Hispanic

For Asians the majority are Chinese from roughly over 90% of Asians to 40% of Asians, the rest being Koreans Vietnamese and Filipinos. Hispanic include any race, but Asians and Hispanic I bet are mutually exclusive.

These are census data, which could include illegals but residents don't normally include illegals when they report data. It's hard to justify that many of these Asians are illegals and not eligible to vote. Say in Monterey Park, 91% are either Asians and Hispanics. If only a small percentage of these are eligible to vote, sure beats the 9% whatever they are.

As for illegals, boat loads are very different from truck loads or walking across. The proportion of illegals I guess are far from Hispanics. Indeed many are legally here. The longest queue for an immigrant visa is China and India, just too many of them coming over.

Affordable housing is hard to come by. The real estate bloom goes all the way into Riverside as far as Moronic Valley. So San Gabriel Valley within LA are doing pretty well. Lots of real estate agents around town and on TV.

Times are quite different from even a couple of years ago. In the pass one city is famous for electing a Chinese mayor, disbanded a world famous anti-Asian-gang task force, and put rookie Asian cops in charge. Until the FBI came in and cleaned up.

Nowadays the residents only care about real estates and business, and how to maintain value. The hostess clubs have very strict city rules. Metal detector at front. Hostess must submit proper paper to security when they report duty. The cops just walk in whenever they want and beam their torch at dark corners. I know, I was there. But if you open a little private brothel in the cheap area by the freeway, the chance that your Asian neighbors stand up against you and complain is minimal.

For the elected officials, it's hard to say that the Chinese don't have political power. The Hispanic votes are significant but most business are Chinese owned. If they are clean, pro-business, and experienced, they are likely to have a chance even if they are 'white'. As for cops, being one is the last resort for Chinese. If business is OK, you don't find many Asian cops. They treat the occupation as the one gang versus all the other gangs. If the city have money, good cops will come. They don't mind at all if they are white, at least there's no white gangs to speak of.

The other day in Rosemead, I saw lots of banners across the road to thank the teachers in the city for the high score of their kids. I'm not surprised sooner or later those cities get top scores. Life in LA or OC is either too bad or too good. Either way the kids just don't score.

[ChiMan II]

TallnHandsome,

I enjoyed your report. I lived in SF for 6 years. I am currently ready to move to LA or San Dieago specifically because of the MP action and being closer to TJ. I believe SF has some of the finest Korean girl in the country. Most of them come up from LA. LA has the best Latin woman in the country. In LA I have been with perfect 10's for $40 to the house and $60 to $80 for the girl. $60 to $80 for FS is SF is almost unheard of.

Although, I can be very persuasive. SF's MP is trying to raise the rates to $120. I noticed going to a MP in SF if you don't lay a tip down they just do a light massage. In LA they are much more aggressive going for your privates in under to minutes of massage. One time in LA when I was asked to turn over the girl actually started to lick my balls! If she wasn't late forties this would be a better story. If you have a chance to go tp TJ Mexico you will wonder how you could ever spend so much money in a MP.

[Three X]

Most of thoses cities have a high number of illegals that why most have white mayors they can't vote! Look at the police force on these citie white also! When the mayor is wChinese and the police force is Chinese the incall and massage parlors will increase 10X!

[James D 2004]

The analysis

SF county
150K Chinese 20%
8K Korean 1%
11K Japanese 1.5%

LA county
330K Chinese 3.5%
190K Korean 2%
110K Japanese 1.2%

LA county is about 10 mil population while SF county is a lot less than 1 mil. Adding San Jose to SF gives similar comparison if you include Orange County to LA. SJ and OC are the 1st and 2nd top real estate major markets in the nation, in terms of median house price. I quote these figures as Chinese are representative of the Asian population and together with Korean girls, they made up the majority of providers. The wild card is the Filipinos, of which the population is probably higher than the Koreans. That's amazing considering that the Philippines is such a small country compared to the other Asian giants. And that I rarely saw or heard about them.

Obviously SF is a much more liberal city than LA. LA MP's cannot operate like GF. If you want to clean up SF, you have to clean up the groovy that are going on in China town, which is rather politically impossible with 20% Chinese in SF county. However, many cities in LA county, mainly in the Chinese valley (San Gabriel Valley), the percentage of Chinese reaches 50% and 40% is common. If you include the Asian population they have the majority. Many have Chinese mayors. Probably because these cities are relatively new, the rules are rather different. MP's with shop fronts are not popular. Private flats are. Used to be very easy going in these flats. But now they get busted regularly. Probably because these cities are the fastest growing in LA, and the exception in California that they have consistently net increase in population. So the locals want clean, at least don't look bad. Indeed for those in China town, if you have money, you move to LA. Interestingly, the rules in these towns seem to follow that by UK, where one provider one house is tolerated. In LA, many houses operate like these and they are rather difficult to bust, tolerated or not.

The facilities in GF is top notch. LA is flat. All MP's are in spread out in strip malls or commercial complexes. Being converted to MP use, the plumbing is always bad. Shower in every room is rare and requires heavy investment. In SF, the buildings always have to have a good pump for the water to reach the top. It doesn't matter much if you have a shower room or ten. The side effect is that you always have soft water, even if it's hard the building have to soften it for the benefit of the plumbing. If you shower too much with LA hard water, you will feel the difference. Shower in every room is rare in LA. Some closed due to lack of business. Currently only Soapland have that, but the girls are so so because of LE attention, and that high class doesn't sell in LA. The classy ones in good neighborhoods are constantly being closed down by LE. For the rest, if you charge $10 more, the bread and butter clients move to those who don't. Unlikely SF having that many tourist and out of towner's. By the way, the climate of SF is excellent in a way. In LA, after a shower, even in summer, I usually feel cold. They rarely have heating on unless in deep winter. In GF, the temp is ideal. I guess they need heating even in May. I feel cold after the shower but only for a second.

The floor to ceiling wall of mirrors is the first time that I have seen. Though in LA, many good MP's have giant mirrors by the bed. The old Hou in Southgate, and Le Sun in Inglewood. Incidentally both of these MP's have large selections. I think if you pick a girl to your liking, you don't mind looking at her in the mirrors. Can't say about most other MPs. For another good one, the old Oriental Massage in Florence, Bell Garden, they have nice mirrors but not in all the rooms. If you are a good customer and the girl like you to see them, you get those rooms.

LA doesn't have that sort of lineup anymore. Hou used to take in whoever want to be there. Up to 20 or more girls sitting in a bigger room than GF. From 1 to 10 it's a completely waste of time for a lineup. Asian girls became less and less. For some Latina's, they look good when they are sitting down, but you will be surprised when they stand up. The makeup the costume are far from GF. Currently only Le Sun have lineup like that, limited to 10 or less in a small waiting room. Some wear bikinis but most don't. There's always one or two hot young Koreans but the quality is inconsistent. The old Oriental Massage isn't small with some 7 girls and 10 rooms, and isn't too large. So for potential good customers, they do a proper lineup to introduce all the girls to you. Walk to your room in turn and say hello. Any larger MP and if they do it to everybody it's impractical.

The girls in GF is probably the best selection in the West coast. I didn't see anyone who is bad looking, face and body included. There are plenty of Korean girls 18 to 25 in California but those in GF is awesome. Due to red hot competition with the one sitting next to you in the looks department, they are well done from head to toe. Most are modern model type one layer cut, some blond highlights, straight medium length, like Japanese anime characters. Though I prefer the signature back length fine straight black hair not difficult to find in LA. Also I was surprised not to find milky white Korean country flavored girls in GF. Their makeup is professional, great under the spotlight in the waiting room. Most girls are young so they don't need stucco like enhancements. Relying on selection, they have to look sexy with makeup. Young girls in LA, even Koreans, often don't do that much makeup. In MP's there's not much competition. In the Chinese valley, many Koreans ran around without makeup on to remain inconspicuous just as the Chinese girls do. Running around with nice makeup on is also difficult to maintain.

They can wear as little as they want. Like Young, a bikini party top. Very short skirt with no sides – bolt together by a large metal ring. A few of them turn heads on the beach, nice face and body. A few can be import models, thought probably not as tall, not as thin and sharp.

What the GF girls lacking in their toe nails, which is big in LA. If a girl has nice legs and feet, the next thing you will notice their toes stands out of their shoes with nails sticking out. I like best is for young girls who have strong nails doing the French manicure, long enough nails in good shape to be appreciated, but natural polished color. If you look at that it's like a big cat in heat roaring without making a sound. The next best is almost natural color, but with fancy handcrafted patterns on the nails. Failing that they use fake nails with fancy stick on patterns. All the Vietnamese cafe girls do that. I didn't remember seeing any nails in GF, only sexy heels. Young has pretty feet and nails, but all natural and neatly shortly trimmed by herself.

The only comparable in LA now is some famous underground Chinese houses. Certainly more than you can see because there's not enough showroom space. Not as model type but you don't need that – GF type of places wear you down after a visit or two. After my causal comment that why they all these pretty young thing wear jeans in a highly illegal house? The next time the mamasan brought them sexy clothes, bikini tops, sideless dress, short skirts and high heels. But they are much better in service, both in mandatory categories and the self selection categories, for a lot less. The only catch is that the place is far from discrete, just like GF, where you see everybody else. And that you can't take one out and start a longer term relationship. They often rent brand new big family houses and 2 at most 3 clients can use the house at a time often with in en-suite bathrooms. Facilities even better than GF but without the wall of mirrors. But like California homes they have big mirrors somewhere.

But my favorite is the now closed Oriental Massage. Every room is decorated in the minimalist philosophy. But they have everything, night stand, lamp post, chairs, hangers, bed and mirrors. The furnitures are different in each room and are coordinated. The bathroom is awesome, you can only find a bottle of soap, and a toilet roll, and nothing else. Very clean. When they introduced the girls to me, I was stoned and speechless. Take six of the best in GF, put them in bikini and walk around in front of me and say hello to me, you get the idea. Even better their clothes are all coordinated, similar but different color. That day they were wrapped around in floral clothes like bikinis. All are slim with apparent flat stomach. Even better is that they are not 20's, but more like 25 to 30. It's hard to maintain that sort of body, and they are hotter in looks and much better in bed.

Young will easily be my top 4 MP girls. The only other on the same category as Young is bit taller, even prettier and more country, real breast, very good English. A lot better service and cheaper.

Even GF is that good, I think LA has much more talent. With that many more Chinese concentrated in a much wider area, a lot of fun sure happens. But because of LE it's not easy to find. The number of Koreans in SF is negligible compared to LA. Not that the Korean girls necessarily come from that pool, but with such a large Korean market on it's only, sure keeps the Korean girls coming. Indeed for the best Korean escorts you have to speak Korean to get them. Similarly for the Chinese. But may be times are different. Some internet outfit closes probably because of LE, while you see more Chinese valley numbers advertised in English classified. The Chinese valley is over flooded with Korean girls, being delivered like pizzas.

But the said thing is that if you get one of those in GF, you can open an MP without worrying about short of customers. So you don't see much pretty girls even if you try hard to find. The GF concept have been tried and doesn't work in LA. Because of LE, asking for money upfront and talking about it is a big no no. Many girls have been taken advantage of for that. The most often who get picked, the most often being taken advantage of. Even if you are not one of the best looking in GF, just pick any MP in LA and you can be the star. You can work non-stop if you want, while in GF the chance you get picked is not that much. Even if you are one of the best looking one you share chances among the few best looking ones. And that many clients are not looking for eye candies alone. Also in LA, the management really don't care how much the girls get, as long as the rooms are filled for 40 to 50 an hour. The bread and butter clients now falls to some 60 to 80 tips on top of 40 room rate. Though the standard is 100 tips plus 50 room say in another liberal city Santa Monica. Used to be higher but the 120 asking tips didn't last long. If you find some average girls, the rooms still got filled, what's the point of finding top notch girls? Say for Oriental Massage, the clients have to beg mamasan to give him the girl that he spotted, and that's a long wait. Say the ex-MP Oriental Accupressure in Inglewood, too busy to keep proper appointments.

The price of escorts in LA is $300 on average. If you are outstanding in looks or service, you ask for more. But not many body ask for less than $300. You want your clients to be at some minimum standards. You make up for the price say by providing multi-pops and other unusual service. But many will reduce if they know you, or allow half hours. MP usually at $150 total so not cheap not expensive. Private house $120 for locals and $130 up to $200 over internet. The $120 girls are not bad, many do that before they hit big times. Though the price is one pop, straight sex. Over 25 is $100 total. So I find that the price of GF is rather expensive, when the escort price of SF is significantly lower. Perhaps with good MP's such as GF, the escort price can't be much higher than the GF price.

[MondaysChilde]

Gentlemen, Japanese, Indian, Middle-Eastern are very difficult spices to come by in San Francisco.

As an earlier poster said, be prepared to shell out $$$.

I have not yet grown weary of Korean pink snapper or Kung Pao chicken. But I would certainly opt for lamb vindaloo or shishkabob if given the opportunity!

[pussylover123]

Allen,
No, even if I go to Sushi places, I could only find mexican and chinese.

[pussylover123]

What about japanese girls ? Can anybody recommend a place ?

[F Nord]

Hey Fellas,

I have a great fondness for the look of ladies from India and the middle east. I have had a difficult time finding services from that persuasion. Can anybody recommend a place I can go?

Thanks.

[James D 2004]

The rooms with wall of mirrors in GF.

[James D 2004]

The return to Golden Flower

I drove from LA to SF, got a ticket in 101. Should have flown. On the same day I reported duty at GF. After a days rest, I was ready for action again as my days in SF were numbered. I didn't want to start a long term relationship, and that LA already had that many talents, and that I didn't bring my vitamin L, returning to GF was only logical. I needed eye candy and I didn't want too heavy action. You don't get that sort of lineups in LA anymore.

In daylight, it's embarrassing to get into GF, see picture. The entrance is on the left. The coffee bar at the right is easy to ignore. But 2nd at Howard is a busy place with pedestrians. Indeed Howard is a major road, part of 101 or something like that. You can see the small sign hanging right above your head if you walk in. It's small but very distinctive in Chinese or Korean characters. If I'm local, I would be surprised if I don't look at the entrance every time I walk pass.

The solution to my problem, I parked at the lot right next to the building on the left. I never paid using the machines. I walked as close to the building wall as possible on the left. As soon as I stepped out of the lot, I U-turned into the entrance lightning fast. From one side of the street, I disappeared rather unexpectedly right out of the parking lot. From the other side of the street, I came out from nowhere and went in the building in no time. Not enough time for anyone to react to my whereabouts. Of course there are many locals watching another silly guy trying to make the obvious not so obvious.

I went in, no mamasan or anybody greeted me. A guy was sitting on one crouch. I sat on the other closer to the girls. There seemed to be some natural ordering of the girls. The hotter girls, who got more business, usually have to sit on the far side when they return to the crouch. The not so hot ones, usually with long trousers, sat closer to my crouch.

I was very happy to spot Young in no time. She seemed to be avoiding me and I knew why. I was still not sure how to make a move so I sat down patiently and confidently like a pro. I couldn't get eye contact with Young. Although everybody saw what I was trying to do and everybody else was giggling Everybody seemed to be puzzled about what had I done to deserve that, and some almost wanted to jump off their seat to volunteer their service.

It was a stand off. Young began trying to get out of it by electrifying the only other client with her eyes. At first I wasn't alarmed. She isn't everybody's cup of tea and that many don't pick beautiful young girls as they do the least. But after a while I was alarmed since I came only for her, and I didn't want to wait another half hour or more. So I walked to the middle of the room and asked her to come with me. She had to, there's no rule ever existed for her not to come. She came with a smile too, not exactly that she's happy. That's another truth of the world – she's willing to fuck a pig for $20 more. But to be fair, it's deep insult to her getting the same as a SW get last time.

I think the system is that she signs herself in. Clients pay her the total. She pays the house for the clock time.

Before she started to try any tricks, I threw money at her. I probably won't have the chance to see her again. I prepared to pull her into the shower with me. But she was focusing on counting the money and walked out at the same time. I let her as half of the time the girls aren't comfortable. And that most girls in MP's need a virginal wash to flush out all the lubricants.

She came back. I told her that I would give her a massage. She agreed as I paid good money for her to lay still. She giggled too much as I was trying to kiss her some sensitive area. So I jumped up and pulled out some more money for her to lay absolutely still for me to do my things. She has nice long legs in proportional and firm round bottom. I flipped her over and touched her pussy. No surprise there, full of lub, and so I didn't went there. After that I let her do her routine. Indeed I was a bit disappointed as she didn't have anything new to show for the money, younger prettier girls usually don't.

I thought of asking her to do the Asian cowgirl but probably I couldn't take it nicely as I didn't have my vitamin with me. Again there was problem changing from reverse missionary to missionary. This time the bed was too short, wall to wall. I pumped her a bit and pulled out. She looked at the condom to see if I climaxed. Of course I didn't. I signaled her to turn over and she knew it was a doggie. Her waist is so tiny that my fingers almost touched when I held her there. I also grabbed her firm round bottom and pounded her hard.

Without vitamins has it's advantages. Without my penis fully erect, filling all spaces and gaps in her pussy, it took me a long time to work to climax. She began to feel uncomfortable. At the end she was on one hand and two knees, the other hand going to her back to hold my hand, sort of begging me to be gentle on her, submissive on the other hand. Made no mistake, good MP's have the same girls sitting there 7 days a week, Young is probably one of them. Making good money, easily a few hundred grands tax free. She is no tight virgin, but she is on the small side and her pussy couldn't get any larger that she already was even with constant pounding day after day.

And she held my hands on our way up, probably the last time I will ever see of her.

T&H

[James D 2004]

The professional in SF

Golden Flower seemed to be my kind of place. I went there Sat 10 pm. Unlike LA, where everybody would be closed, they were smoking. I pressed the buzz button and, like Star Trek technology, the door was unlocked at an instant. (For the non Trekkie's, they use two hidden men to operate the automatic doors in the space craft. The reaction time is unparalleled to this date.)

There were ten or more Korean girls sitting on a plush and bright, large reception room. Mamasan didn't come out so I calmly sat down on one of the two corner crouch. Now there are 4 guys sitting including me.

May be the mamasan was terribly busy. Maybe there was a line. It looked like the other guys were waiting for more girls to come out, not satisfied with the selection at hand. It was like sitting in the now closed LA VIP hostess club. I wouldn't make the mistake again of walking up to the girl and pick her. I wasn't in a hurry and so I really really looked.

A few could be export models, either the body, or the face, but not both, otherwise it would be too easy to pick. All are modern type, as opposed to traditional type Korean girls. Modern medium length straight hair cut, not milky white, probably even some slight sun tan. Sex party dress, everything goes, mostly bikini like tops. Mostly super mini skirts but some long trousers. Most are early 20's. Most are quite beautiful with makeup on, not stucco type. But not outstanding.

I was overwhelmed with eye contacts the instant I went in. Sensing my indecision, many tested my Korean lip reading skills (I had none) and some almost jumped out of their crouch. But I took my time. Long trousers were out. Not showing tummy were out. If the tummy didn't fold well when there were sitting, out. Hidden waist, out. Legs and feet not sexy enough, out. I picked the youngest, prettiest, thinnest one. The only reservation I had was that her legs looked good but might be too thin in the flesh. 'Cause she was sitting next to an older girl, like 25, who walked around a bit with legs like an import model.

Since the other guys didn't make any moves, I went into the control room to find the mamasan. She told me that I have to get the girl myself. Her name was something like Young.

She took me into a room with a mirror wall, and on-suite shower room. The room was very bright too. She just dimmed it a little bit. My reservation vaporized. At close range, she is what a young girl is supposed to be, the look the touch. Her legs and feet were very sexy too. She is on the small side, not that my preference. But if all my requirements are met, the girl has to be model material. The alternative is to shrink to some small size 5'3 to 5'5, which is more easy to find. But then she has to be very thin in proportion, like Young.

She asked me to shower and went out. Came back with a baby doll pajama to keep her sex party dress in tip top condition. She can hear English well, but didn't speak. Though she may or may not speak OK English. But as a true professional in LA, I didn't speak to her at all. She gave me a OK massage, acupressure type. Then walked on me hanging on to the bar near the ceiling. In doing so she was facing the mirror wall fully naked, spread arms and legs. I liked that view.

On the flip, she gave me some lip service, not a lot for Korean standards. But who cares, today is eye candy day. I forget to bring my 10-min Vitamin L for the trip! But for some Korean girls, it doesn't matter. Indeed I was like a flat tire when Young put in the condom, while I didn't even noticed. Then I watched her blowing me and I was as hard as a full blown tire in no time. My kind of girl. Human Vita L is the best. Then she rode me a bit, reverse missionary a bit, pulled me up and changed to a missionary with her head over hanging on the bed edge. That was supposed to be like that. I always had trouble in the changing over, that my legs were always in the wrong place. For Young that wasn't a problem, we got stuck in the middle, both sitting upright. Being a 90 pounder, I just held her whole body and continued the change over.

I think somehow she didn't want me to see her facial expression when I missionary her. So she sort of held my neck tight and stayed close to my chest. I couldn't charge without lifting her body up, which was a bit heavy for that. So I held her neck tight too with both hands and pushed her body onto my pennis when I charged.

She's perfect for me except that she has fake tits. Looked good, not too big. But unlike usual Korean girls, her's too hard. I rather her not doing that. Some girls did some cutting and lifting and turned into an A or A-, very young good looking, no implants.

After I climaxed, she gave me a lip kiss. Again she went out while I rested and showered. She came back in her party dress again and took all the towels, 3 or 4, and the floor towel right out of the shower (classy isn't it?)

I counted $120 from my wallet and tested her. She didn't count but she may or may not watch me count inside the wallet. She seemed to be happy. Another lip kiss and hug later, I couldn't resist to feel her hour glass waist again, while she is already so thin. We hold hands going back up.

When she said goodbye, I asked something like "is the door right there?" Of course I can see that. I really meant am I suppose to walk out like that? I was thinking about the room rate but I didn't want to ask her directly. She didn't really understand but didn't worry if I just walked out the door. I did, passing the control room and in the view of all other girls.

It was unbelievable, I got away with $120 total? For that quality? But I thought GF is expensive? Did they think I belong to some secret society? Did she really like me as my handle suggested? I couldn't wait to see Young before I left, but then I may have to pay them back something.

More next time.

T&H

[Lobo]

I was in town about two weeks ago or so. As usual, the first morning I was awake by 3:30 AM (I'm from the east coast so it felt like 6:30) and mongering by 4. It's been awhile since I've been in town so it took me a little while to find Tenderloin. It seemed kinda dead, although it was pretty late by the time I got there. More LE than I had remembered but again, I don't usually cruise this late. Anyway around Sutter and Larkin (not 100% sure) I saw a tall thin and stacked bsw who looked really pretty. At first I assumed it was a TS since I was in the area where they're more prevalent, but she came up to the car and it was definitely a girl. Went to her shabby hotel room and she was really nice and sweet and let me play to my heart's content. She charged 80 for the half and 100 for the hour (no greek). All in all, more expensive than where I'm from but a great way to start the day.

Lobo