2000-2004 Archived Reports

[LittleBigMan]

Market Street Cinema was hit yesterday, and the owner snitched off Mitchell Brother's!!

When they are done! Don't be surprise they start hitting the AMP's!

LBM

[PhilBoy]

New Century busted. Willie Brown, come back!

http://www.sfexaminer.com/article/index.cfm/i/051204n_stripclub

[Banker Boy]

Heading into SF this weekend for business.

Staying in Union Square at the St. Francis.

Is GF or Sun Spa anywhere near that hotel? I've been reading page after page of trip reports, and I'm unable to find the addresses of these two AMPs.

Thanks!

[MondaysChilde]

DM, the Cinema is a real sleazy place. The uninformed are like shark bait in there.

Read up in S.F. Redbook dot com.

[DM Ready]

Market Street Theater BEWARE!

I don't know if anyone posted a message about this but this place is a ripe-off. Every experience I have had at this place makes me wonder why I ever return to get ripped off agian.

Anyone else have any experience like this because it does happen and I know I am not the only one.

DM Ready!

[James D 2004]

Alhambra 47% Asian 36% Hispanic
San Gabriel 49% Asian 31% Hispanic
Monterey Park 62% Asian 29% Hispanic
Rowland Heights 50% Asian 28% Hispanic
Diamond Bar 43% Asian 19% Hispanic

For Asians the majority are Chinese from roughly over 90% of Asians to 40% of Asians, the rest being Koreans Vietnamese and Filipinos. Hispanic include any race, but Asians and Hispanic I bet are mutually exclusive.

These are census data, which could include illegals but residents don't normally include illegals when they report data. It's hard to justify that many of these Asians are illegals and not eligible to vote. Say in Monterey Park, 91% are either Asians and Hispanics. If only a small percentage of these are eligible to vote, sure beats the 9% whatever they are.

As for illegals, boat loads are very different from truck loads or walking across. The proportion of illegals I guess are far from Hispanics. Indeed many are legally here. The longest queue for an immigrant visa is China and India, just too many of them coming over.

Affordable housing is hard to come by. The real estate bloom goes all the way into Riverside as far as Moronic Valley. So San Gabriel Valley within LA are doing pretty well. Lots of real estate agents around town and on TV.

Times are quite different from even a couple of years ago. In the pass one city is famous for electing a Chinese mayor, disbanded a world famous anti-Asian-gang task force, and put rookie Asian cops in charge. Until the FBI came in and cleaned up.

Nowadays the residents only care about real estates and business, and how to maintain value. The hostess clubs have very strict city rules. Metal detector at front. Hostess must submit proper paper to security when they report duty. The cops just walk in whenever they want and beam their torch at dark corners. I know, I was there. But if you open a little private brothel in the cheap area by the freeway, the chance that your Asian neighbors stand up against you and complain is minimal.

For the elected officials, it's hard to say that the Chinese don't have political power. The Hispanic votes are significant but most business are Chinese owned. If they are clean, pro-business, and experienced, they are likely to have a chance even if they are 'white'. As for cops, being one is the last resort for Chinese. If business is OK, you don't find many Asian cops. They treat the occupation as the one gang versus all the other gangs. If the city have money, good cops will come. They don't mind at all if they are white, at least there's no white gangs to speak of.

The other day in Rosemead, I saw lots of banners across the road to thank the teachers in the city for the high score of their kids. I'm not surprised sooner or later those cities get top scores. Life in LA or OC is either too bad or too good. Either way the kids just don't score.

[ChiMan II]

TallnHandsome,

I enjoyed your report. I lived in SF for 6 years. I am currently ready to move to LA or San Dieago specifically because of the MP action and being closer to TJ. I believe SF has some of the finest Korean girl in the country. Most of them come up from LA. LA has the best Latin woman in the country. In LA I have been with perfect 10's for $40 to the house and $60 to $80 for the girl. $60 to $80 for FS is SF is almost unheard of.

Although, I can be very persuasive. SF's MP is trying to raise the rates to $120. I noticed going to a MP in SF if you don't lay a tip down they just do a light massage. In LA they are much more aggressive going for your privates in under to minutes of massage. One time in LA when I was asked to turn over the girl actually started to lick my balls! If she wasn't late forties this would be a better story. If you have a chance to go tp TJ Mexico you will wonder how you could ever spend so much money in a MP.

[Three X]

Most of thoses cities have a high number of illegals that why most have white mayors they can't vote! Look at the police force on these citie white also! When the mayor is wChinese and the police force is Chinese the incall and massage parlors will increase 10X!

[James D 2004]

The analysis

SF county
150K Chinese 20%
8K Korean 1%
11K Japanese 1.5%

LA county
330K Chinese 3.5%
190K Korean 2%
110K Japanese 1.2%

LA county is about 10 mil population while SF county is a lot less than 1 mil. Adding San Jose to SF gives similar comparison if you include Orange County to LA. SJ and OC are the 1st and 2nd top real estate major markets in the nation, in terms of median house price. I quote these figures as Chinese are representative of the Asian population and together with Korean girls, they made up the majority of providers. The wild card is the Filipinos, of which the population is probably higher than the Koreans. That's amazing considering that the Philippines is such a small country compared to the other Asian giants. And that I rarely saw or heard about them.

Obviously SF is a much more liberal city than LA. LA MP's cannot operate like GF. If you want to clean up SF, you have to clean up the groovy that are going on in China town, which is rather politically impossible with 20% Chinese in SF county. However, many cities in LA county, mainly in the Chinese valley (San Gabriel Valley), the percentage of Chinese reaches 50% and 40% is common. If you include the Asian population they have the majority. Many have Chinese mayors. Probably because these cities are relatively new, the rules are rather different. MP's with shop fronts are not popular. Private flats are. Used to be very easy going in these flats. But now they get busted regularly. Probably because these cities are the fastest growing in LA, and the exception in California that they have consistently net increase in population. So the locals want clean, at least don't look bad. Indeed for those in China town, if you have money, you move to LA. Interestingly, the rules in these towns seem to follow that by UK, where one provider one house is tolerated. In LA, many houses operate like these and they are rather difficult to bust, tolerated or not.

The facilities in GF is top notch. LA is flat. All MP's are in spread out in strip malls or commercial complexes. Being converted to MP use, the plumbing is always bad. Shower in every room is rare and requires heavy investment. In SF, the buildings always have to have a good pump for the water to reach the top. It doesn't matter much if you have a shower room or ten. The side effect is that you always have soft water, even if it's hard the building have to soften it for the benefit of the plumbing. If you shower too much with LA hard water, you will feel the difference. Shower in every room is rare in LA. Some closed due to lack of business. Currently only Soapland have that, but the girls are so so because of LE attention, and that high class doesn't sell in LA. The classy ones in good neighborhoods are constantly being closed down by LE. For the rest, if you charge $10 more, the bread and butter clients move to those who don't. Unlikely SF having that many tourist and out of towner's. By the way, the climate of SF is excellent in a way. In LA, after a shower, even in summer, I usually feel cold. They rarely have heating on unless in deep winter. In GF, the temp is ideal. I guess they need heating even in May. I feel cold after the shower but only for a second.

The floor to ceiling wall of mirrors is the first time that I have seen. Though in LA, many good MP's have giant mirrors by the bed. The old Hou in Southgate, and Le Sun in Inglewood. Incidentally both of these MP's have large selections. I think if you pick a girl to your liking, you don't mind looking at her in the mirrors. Can't say about most other MPs. For another good one, the old Oriental Massage in Florence, Bell Garden, they have nice mirrors but not in all the rooms. If you are a good customer and the girl like you to see them, you get those rooms.

LA doesn't have that sort of lineup anymore. Hou used to take in whoever want to be there. Up to 20 or more girls sitting in a bigger room than GF. From 1 to 10 it's a completely waste of time for a lineup. Asian girls became less and less. For some Latina's, they look good when they are sitting down, but you will be surprised when they stand up. The makeup the costume are far from GF. Currently only Le Sun have lineup like that, limited to 10 or less in a small waiting room. Some wear bikinis but most don't. There's always one or two hot young Koreans but the quality is inconsistent. The old Oriental Massage isn't small with some 7 girls and 10 rooms, and isn't too large. So for potential good customers, they do a proper lineup to introduce all the girls to you. Walk to your room in turn and say hello. Any larger MP and if they do it to everybody it's impractical.

The girls in GF is probably the best selection in the West coast. I didn't see anyone who is bad looking, face and body included. There are plenty of Korean girls 18 to 25 in California but those in GF is awesome. Due to red hot competition with the one sitting next to you in the looks department, they are well done from head to toe. Most are modern model type one layer cut, some blond highlights, straight medium length, like Japanese anime characters. Though I prefer the signature back length fine straight black hair not difficult to find in LA. Also I was surprised not to find milky white Korean country flavored girls in GF. Their makeup is professional, great under the spotlight in the waiting room. Most girls are young so they don't need stucco like enhancements. Relying on selection, they have to look sexy with makeup. Young girls in LA, even Koreans, often don't do that much makeup. In MP's there's not much competition. In the Chinese valley, many Koreans ran around without makeup on to remain inconspicuous just as the Chinese girls do. Running around with nice makeup on is also difficult to maintain.

They can wear as little as they want. Like Young, a bikini party top. Very short skirt with no sides – bolt together by a large metal ring. A few of them turn heads on the beach, nice face and body. A few can be import models, thought probably not as tall, not as thin and sharp.

What the GF girls lacking in their toe nails, which is big in LA. If a girl has nice legs and feet, the next thing you will notice their toes stands out of their shoes with nails sticking out. I like best is for young girls who have strong nails doing the French manicure, long enough nails in good shape to be appreciated, but natural polished color. If you look at that it's like a big cat in heat roaring without making a sound. The next best is almost natural color, but with fancy handcrafted patterns on the nails. Failing that they use fake nails with fancy stick on patterns. All the Vietnamese cafe girls do that. I didn't remember seeing any nails in GF, only sexy heels. Young has pretty feet and nails, but all natural and neatly shortly trimmed by herself.

The only comparable in LA now is some famous underground Chinese houses. Certainly more than you can see because there's not enough showroom space. Not as model type but you don't need that – GF type of places wear you down after a visit or two. After my causal comment that why they all these pretty young thing wear jeans in a highly illegal house? The next time the mamasan brought them sexy clothes, bikini tops, sideless dress, short skirts and high heels. But they are much better in service, both in mandatory categories and the self selection categories, for a lot less. The only catch is that the place is far from discrete, just like GF, where you see everybody else. And that you can't take one out and start a longer term relationship. They often rent brand new big family houses and 2 at most 3 clients can use the house at a time often with in en-suite bathrooms. Facilities even better than GF but without the wall of mirrors. But like California homes they have big mirrors somewhere.

But my favorite is the now closed Oriental Massage. Every room is decorated in the minimalist philosophy. But they have everything, night stand, lamp post, chairs, hangers, bed and mirrors. The furnitures are different in each room and are coordinated. The bathroom is awesome, you can only find a bottle of soap, and a toilet roll, and nothing else. Very clean. When they introduced the girls to me, I was stoned and speechless. Take six of the best in GF, put them in bikini and walk around in front of me and say hello to me, you get the idea. Even better their clothes are all coordinated, similar but different color. That day they were wrapped around in floral clothes like bikinis. All are slim with apparent flat stomach. Even better is that they are not 20's, but more like 25 to 30. It's hard to maintain that sort of body, and they are hotter in looks and much better in bed.

Young will easily be my top 4 MP girls. The only other on the same category as Young is bit taller, even prettier and more country, real breast, very good English. A lot better service and cheaper.

Even GF is that good, I think LA has much more talent. With that many more Chinese concentrated in a much wider area, a lot of fun sure happens. But because of LE it's not easy to find. The number of Koreans in SF is negligible compared to LA. Not that the Korean girls necessarily come from that pool, but with such a large Korean market on it's only, sure keeps the Korean girls coming. Indeed for the best Korean escorts you have to speak Korean to get them. Similarly for the Chinese. But may be times are different. Some internet outfit closes probably because of LE, while you see more Chinese valley numbers advertised in English classified. The Chinese valley is over flooded with Korean girls, being delivered like pizzas.

But the said thing is that if you get one of those in GF, you can open an MP without worrying about short of customers. So you don't see much pretty girls even if you try hard to find. The GF concept have been tried and doesn't work in LA. Because of LE, asking for money upfront and talking about it is a big no no. Many girls have been taken advantage of for that. The most often who get picked, the most often being taken advantage of. Even if you are not one of the best looking in GF, just pick any MP in LA and you can be the star. You can work non-stop if you want, while in GF the chance you get picked is not that much. Even if you are one of the best looking one you share chances among the few best looking ones. And that many clients are not looking for eye candies alone. Also in LA, the management really don't care how much the girls get, as long as the rooms are filled for 40 to 50 an hour. The bread and butter clients now falls to some 60 to 80 tips on top of 40 room rate. Though the standard is 100 tips plus 50 room say in another liberal city Santa Monica. Used to be higher but the 120 asking tips didn't last long. If you find some average girls, the rooms still got filled, what's the point of finding top notch girls? Say for Oriental Massage, the clients have to beg mamasan to give him the girl that he spotted, and that's a long wait. Say the ex-MP Oriental Accupressure in Inglewood, too busy to keep proper appointments.

The price of escorts in LA is $300 on average. If you are outstanding in looks or service, you ask for more. But not many body ask for less than $300. You want your clients to be at some minimum standards. You make up for the price say by providing multi-pops and other unusual service. But many will reduce if they know you, or allow half hours. MP usually at $150 total so not cheap not expensive. Private house $120 for locals and $130 up to $200 over internet. The $120 girls are not bad, many do that before they hit big times. Though the price is one pop, straight sex. Over 25 is $100 total. So I find that the price of GF is rather expensive, when the escort price of SF is significantly lower. Perhaps with good MP's such as GF, the escort price can't be much higher than the GF price.

[MondaysChilde]

Gentlemen, Japanese, Indian, Middle-Eastern are very difficult spices to come by in San Francisco.

As an earlier poster said, be prepared to shell out $$$.

I have not yet grown weary of Korean pink snapper or Kung Pao chicken. But I would certainly opt for lamb vindaloo or shishkabob if given the opportunity!

[pussylover123]

Allen,
No, even if I go to Sushi places, I could only find mexican and chinese.

[Member #6586]

pussylover,

There are an abundance of sushi joints out there...........Just kidding! Could not resist.

[pussylover123]

What about japanese girls ? Can anybody recommend a place ?

[Member #6586]

F Nord,

I am in the same boat and after chatting with a few Indian guys from the forum it is virtually nonexistant in the USA. You may find an Americanized escort version I think I saw one on Eros a long time ago but get ready to shell out some $$$$.

Anyone else have any thoughts. I've been told to try & chat up a neglected Indian housewife.

[F Nord]

Hey Fellas,

I have a great fondness for the look of ladies from India and the middle east. I have had a difficult time finding services from that persuasion. Can anybody recommend a place I can go?

Thanks.